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Thomas' story - long

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Marina · 05/09/2002 20:28

This is a long post, and sad, so I apologise in advance if it upsets anyone. It was helpful for me to write it, I have to say; and I sincerely hope that in future it might be of some help to someone facing the same situation as us - this is what happened to us after our second trimester baby died in the womb.

Thomas was born at 12.55am on the 25th August. As some of you might recall, I had already started havering about VBAC, so I am proud of the fact that in the end I got through his birth (with wonderful support from dh and our midwife) on just gas and air. I decided I wanted to try and give him the birth I'd have tried for if things had turned out differently. I do also react badly to morphine both physically and psychologically, before anyone thinks I am a complete masochist.

I was admitted Saturday morning and finally went into the Delivery Suite at 10.50pm. During the day I was given two lots of prostaglandins vaginally, and then one lot by mouth. I only had major contractions for about 2.5 hours.

Thomas was very small and fragile, so although we were able to see him and spend time with him, it was not possible to hold him or dress him which we had been told we might be able to do. He was very beautiful to our eyes but at 20 weeks did not look as though he ever had much of a chance. We have some photos and a smudgy set of footprints. We chose the name Thomas because it had no family resonances (nor did we know any little Thomases), but when we met our dear boy, he was so small all I could think of was Tom Thumb. The hospital wrapped him in a shawl we had brought for him, and supplied a tiny Moses basket for him.

I was out by late morning the next day. While there, we saw at least three people who looked after us when DS1 was born, and they remembered us (or said they did), which was very kind. The hospital relocated in 2001 and the new building has a special room for people in our situation, endowed by parents who went through something similar last year. So for all of the time except for three hours in delivery, we were in a quiet room, aside from the main action, and equipped with its own bathroom, a double bed, CARPET, TV, fridge, sink, kettle etc, and a sofa. Not unlike a Travelodge, to be honest. We had plenty of company when we wanted it, as staff kept popping in to chat, and one-to-one care right through the night.

I will never forget the midwife who helped me deliver Thomas. She only qualified last year and her chosen speciality is helping young single mums on two local estates with severe social problems. She was simply wonderful. The hospital also has a new, pilot project which funds a part-time Bereavement Midwife. We had to wait over a week for her to come back from leave, which was hard, and if I?m honest, there were times when I felt abandoned and forgotten after we were discharged from hospital. But we know about the terrible staffing problems there and we know the intentions were always good. When we finally met the Bereavement Midwife it was like meeting the best sort of well-informed old friend. She knew ALL the answers to ALL my questions ? and being an A* nosy parker I had a lot of them.

We decided to have a postmortem for Thomas and that has now been done. We will get the results, along with all my test results, at the beginning of October. We have only a 50/50 chance of finding a definite reason for his death, which is one of the hardest things to take at the moment.

In the meantime we are planning a service of thanksgiving for him at our parish church. We have friends (one of them is married to the Assistant Parish Priest who will conduct the service) who have been through similar hard times and they have helped us with making arrangements. Someone had to tell us that with very small bodies a lot of crematoria will not supply ashes, and I?m glad that someone was not an undertaker.

I am so relieved and touched that throughout what we went through Thomas was referred to as our baby and not a miscarriage. He had his own hospital notes and ID tags, despite what we all knew in advance. I'm up and down emotionally, as you can imagine, I don't need to say more than that. Physically I'm OK and recovering well. I didn?t get any milk, thank goodness ? at nearly 21 weeks it can go either way and no-one could predict this for me.

Life goes on at home. DS1 took the news (simply told in response to a question) sadly but was playing cheerily with Brio ten minutes later, which we found reassuring given he is only three. He has been such a source of comfort to us ? we had his picture with us in hospital to remind us of what we had to be thankful for back at home, and that what happened to us last month (it feels like 1,000 years ago sometimes) is NOT the way it usually is.

As others have said on this site, you find out who your fearless, committed friends really are when the chips are down. Our house and phone have been shunned as though plague-stricken by some people whom we had hoped would ring or even e-mail. Other friends have been fantastic. I implore all Mumsnetters who might ever have friends in our situation, don?t hesitate ? pick up that phone. I can almost guarantee they will be touched and delighted to hear from you, even if they are not up to talking much.

And all the messages posted about Thomas here have helped so much too. We will be printing them out to add to his Memory Book. Every evening (and there have been some) that our home felt like a place of doom, it was cheering to remember that so many people were thinking of us ? and the Slagging off the Childcare Gurus thread brought a smile to my face when nothing else worked! Thank you all.

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JulieF · 06/10/2002 00:13

Marina,

Firstly I must say that I am very touched by your story.

I hope you don't mind but I thought that this might be appropriate and might even help others in your situation. As you are aware a still birth before 24 weeks is technically classes as a miscarriage.

An online friend of mine has set up a group called ROB, register our babies, campainging for the recognition of babies born before 21 weeks. You say that throughout Thomas was called a baby etc, sadly this is not the experience of many women.

I would like to ask if people would give their support to this group. The founders have suffered stillbirths at 19 and 21 weeks. They have recently been featured in Woman Magazine.

The website is www.registerourbabies.org.uk

Many Thanks

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Marina · 06/10/2002 19:28

JulieF, thank you for your thoughts and for mentioning what sounds like a very worthwile campaign. My hospital recently appointed a bereavement midwife part-time and she has done an enormous amount to introduce kind and sensitive policies for people who suffer pregnancy loss at any stage. Even so, forms from the crematorium and the standard wording of Thomas' post-mortem report contained some upsetting medical terminology, so I had some experience of how insensitive the wider world can be to late miscarriage. I am not a bit surprised to hear that unfortunately many women do not get the kind treatment I did.
One of the friends who was most supportive to us after Thomas' death was a member of a SANDS campaign some years ago, to reduce the age at which miscarriage "became" stillbirth from 28 weeks to 24 weeks. This was how she had coped with two stillbirths - by helping others. They had hoped to roll the age back still further to 20 weeks, but were not successful then.
I will definitely go and look at the website.

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bundle · 08/10/2002 18:44

Marina, I remember you saying it was about now you'd be meeting with the consultant to discuss Thomas's results. Just wanted to let you know I'm thinking about you, love Bundle x

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Clarinet60 · 08/10/2002 20:06

JulieF and Marina, I would certainly like to add my support to this group. My friend has just lost her baby at 14 weeks. I lost one at 11 and one at 8 weeks. We have both encountered well meaning people who seem determined to call the baby something other than a baby and fail to acknowledge its personhood. I've had a bee in my bonnet about this for over a year now and my friends' recent loss has brought it all back. Fume.

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Marina · 08/10/2002 20:40

Droile, it's not good, is it. I went back to work this week to discover a colleague lost an IVF baby at 12 weeks this year and she was very insensitively treated by the staff not only at the Assisted Conception Unit but also at the hospital where she was finally admitted. At least I have some mementoes of Tom and the memory of many people's kindness.
Bundle, I've started a separate thread "life after losing a baby" as this has got awfully long. Thank you so much for remembering.

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pamina · 08/01/2003 09:37

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WideWebWitch · 08/01/2003 09:48

Oh me too Marina. Hope the day is not too awful.

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bells2 · 08/01/2003 10:03

Yes - Tom is certainly not forgotten.

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willow2 · 08/01/2003 10:17

Thinking of you too.

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tigermoth · 08/01/2003 10:18

marina, I hope the snow hasn't made your journey into work too awful.

It's so beautiful outside - a special day. Tom and you are in my thoughts.

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SoupDragon · 08/01/2003 10:37

Hugs from me too.
x

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CAM · 08/01/2003 10:42

A big hug Marina

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bundle · 08/01/2003 11:29

Oh Marina, I thought it was about now...I hope everyone is being especially nice to you, xxxxxxx

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GRMUM · 08/01/2003 11:32

You and your family will all be in my thoughts too today.

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janh · 08/01/2003 13:00

Thoughts from me too, Marina. Light a candle for his birthday. love from Janxx

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star · 08/01/2003 14:13

Dear Marina-thinking of you today,be kind to yourself.

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bayleaf · 08/01/2003 18:47

I hope the weather hasn't made it too hectic and stressful a day and that you've managed to find quiet time to work your way through the myriad of emotions that come on a day like today.
Love Bayleaf
xxx

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Enid · 08/01/2003 19:34

Lots of love, Ex

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Tinker · 08/01/2003 19:36

Hope you're ok Marina.

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clucks · 08/01/2003 19:51

Dear Marina, Best wishes and thinking of Thomas.

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ScummyMummy · 08/01/2003 20:21

lots and lots of love to you, Marina.

Pamina, thank you so much for posting to remind us all to think specially of Marina and Thomas and their family on this day.

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Demented · 08/01/2003 21:14

Thinking of you Marina.

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Twink · 08/01/2003 22:24

Lots of love and hugs,

Kath x

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