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Thomas' story - long

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Marina · 05/09/2002 20:28

This is a long post, and sad, so I apologise in advance if it upsets anyone. It was helpful for me to write it, I have to say; and I sincerely hope that in future it might be of some help to someone facing the same situation as us - this is what happened to us after our second trimester baby died in the womb.

Thomas was born at 12.55am on the 25th August. As some of you might recall, I had already started havering about VBAC, so I am proud of the fact that in the end I got through his birth (with wonderful support from dh and our midwife) on just gas and air. I decided I wanted to try and give him the birth I'd have tried for if things had turned out differently. I do also react badly to morphine both physically and psychologically, before anyone thinks I am a complete masochist.

I was admitted Saturday morning and finally went into the Delivery Suite at 10.50pm. During the day I was given two lots of prostaglandins vaginally, and then one lot by mouth. I only had major contractions for about 2.5 hours.

Thomas was very small and fragile, so although we were able to see him and spend time with him, it was not possible to hold him or dress him which we had been told we might be able to do. He was very beautiful to our eyes but at 20 weeks did not look as though he ever had much of a chance. We have some photos and a smudgy set of footprints. We chose the name Thomas because it had no family resonances (nor did we know any little Thomases), but when we met our dear boy, he was so small all I could think of was Tom Thumb. The hospital wrapped him in a shawl we had brought for him, and supplied a tiny Moses basket for him.

I was out by late morning the next day. While there, we saw at least three people who looked after us when DS1 was born, and they remembered us (or said they did), which was very kind. The hospital relocated in 2001 and the new building has a special room for people in our situation, endowed by parents who went through something similar last year. So for all of the time except for three hours in delivery, we were in a quiet room, aside from the main action, and equipped with its own bathroom, a double bed, CARPET, TV, fridge, sink, kettle etc, and a sofa. Not unlike a Travelodge, to be honest. We had plenty of company when we wanted it, as staff kept popping in to chat, and one-to-one care right through the night.

I will never forget the midwife who helped me deliver Thomas. She only qualified last year and her chosen speciality is helping young single mums on two local estates with severe social problems. She was simply wonderful. The hospital also has a new, pilot project which funds a part-time Bereavement Midwife. We had to wait over a week for her to come back from leave, which was hard, and if I?m honest, there were times when I felt abandoned and forgotten after we were discharged from hospital. But we know about the terrible staffing problems there and we know the intentions were always good. When we finally met the Bereavement Midwife it was like meeting the best sort of well-informed old friend. She knew ALL the answers to ALL my questions ? and being an A* nosy parker I had a lot of them.

We decided to have a postmortem for Thomas and that has now been done. We will get the results, along with all my test results, at the beginning of October. We have only a 50/50 chance of finding a definite reason for his death, which is one of the hardest things to take at the moment.

In the meantime we are planning a service of thanksgiving for him at our parish church. We have friends (one of them is married to the Assistant Parish Priest who will conduct the service) who have been through similar hard times and they have helped us with making arrangements. Someone had to tell us that with very small bodies a lot of crematoria will not supply ashes, and I?m glad that someone was not an undertaker.

I am so relieved and touched that throughout what we went through Thomas was referred to as our baby and not a miscarriage. He had his own hospital notes and ID tags, despite what we all knew in advance. I'm up and down emotionally, as you can imagine, I don't need to say more than that. Physically I'm OK and recovering well. I didn?t get any milk, thank goodness ? at nearly 21 weeks it can go either way and no-one could predict this for me.

Life goes on at home. DS1 took the news (simply told in response to a question) sadly but was playing cheerily with Brio ten minutes later, which we found reassuring given he is only three. He has been such a source of comfort to us ? we had his picture with us in hospital to remind us of what we had to be thankful for back at home, and that what happened to us last month (it feels like 1,000 years ago sometimes) is NOT the way it usually is.

As others have said on this site, you find out who your fearless, committed friends really are when the chips are down. Our house and phone have been shunned as though plague-stricken by some people whom we had hoped would ring or even e-mail. Other friends have been fantastic. I implore all Mumsnetters who might ever have friends in our situation, don?t hesitate ? pick up that phone. I can almost guarantee they will be touched and delighted to hear from you, even if they are not up to talking much.

And all the messages posted about Thomas here have helped so much too. We will be printing them out to add to his Memory Book. Every evening (and there have been some) that our home felt like a place of doom, it was cheering to remember that so many people were thinking of us ? and the Slagging off the Childcare Gurus thread brought a smile to my face when nothing else worked! Thank you all.

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janh · 09/09/2002 20:56

Marina, it wasn't your failure - it wasn't your fault - it was just bad luck - please don't feel that you failed Thomas - he is your precious son but he just wasn't meant to stay here. Please don't feel so bad.

MABS · 09/09/2002 21:12

Marina - you are NOT a failure - its just that the time was not right. He will always be your beautiful baby boy - just a bit further away that you'd wanted . Take Care.

ionesmum · 09/09/2002 21:34

Oh, Marina, please don't feel so bad. Your little one was lucky to have you for a mum - who could have loved him more? I do remember you both in my prayers. xx

bossykate · 09/09/2002 22:25

marina, you're not a failure, you have done everything in your power - what more could be asked of you? or could you ask of yourself? i imagine such thoughts are very difficult to banish, no matter how unjustified. please, please try not to blame yourself. perhaps, as you say, talking to the pathologist may ease your mind a little.

take care.

bundle · 10/09/2002 09:29

Marina, glad to be a little help at this terrible time. Please don't build up your hopes about talking to pathologist, but I think you should at least ask...this woman said she felt privileged to be the child's only doctor - ie mums have the obs & gynae people, but once a baby dies s/he is no-one's patient - and helped her to do her best for the family. She's based at Barts/the London but I know she does pm's for other areas of London - post-Alder Hey there's been a staffing crisis in her profession so her workload has increased. I do hope it's her that Thomas has been sent to (if you find out her name, her initials are IS). She has a little boy of her own, we compared photos!
I'm so sorry you had a bad weekend, please don't blame yourself about what's happened. lol, bundlex

Batters · 10/09/2002 10:12

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bayleaf · 10/09/2002 11:20

Marina - I understand exactly why you feel a failure - in a sense nothing could be more natural - but at the same time nothing could be more misguided. Fight those feelings whenever they arrive - for whatever reasons, unknown to us, Thomas was never meant to join us in this world. It was most certainly not your fault and as every one has said - the one thing you could/can do for Thomas is to love him and remember him.

CAM · 10/09/2002 11:45

Big big hugs Marina. I think you will have to prepare yourself for the possibility that you will never know why this happened. Of course it is natural to want a reason but the one certainty is that it is not your fault, you are not responsible. Lots of love, Cam

chiara71 · 11/09/2002 10:40

MArina

just a quick note to say I think of you.

I came on mumsnet today to start a new thread but after reading about your tragedy and Bobbins' it just seems so trivial....I'll leave for another day.

lotsoflove

leese · 11/09/2002 18:31

Thinking of you all

Bron · 11/09/2002 21:51

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susanmt · 12/09/2002 06:56

Marina, just wanted to let you know I am thinking of you all. Thankyou for sharing Thomas' story with us. It has helped as I have a friend who recently lost her little girl at 22 weeks, and you have encouraged me to get in touch and do what I can for her. So thankyou.

Marina · 12/09/2002 09:20

susanmt, I am very sorry to hear about your friend. If she wants to be in touch with someone who has gone through a similar experience, do feel free to put her in touch with me via [email protected]
Good for you for getting in touch, it really is not easy, I can appreciate that. And I am sure she will be so glad to have a friend to talk to about losing her daughter.
One thing you and she may not be aware of is that although medically speaking until 24 weeks we are deemed to have suffered a late miscarriage, SANDS (Stillbirth and Neonatal Death Society) provides support and literature for anyone who has lost a baby from 20 weeks on. I contacted them a couple of days ago, and they are sending me some material that is specifically aimed at people like us.
SANDS

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bayleaf · 12/09/2002 19:07

Marina - thanks for your message - I have send a reply via Justine - but I'm wondering if she has you home e mail??? I have the work one ( I'd already e mailed you there) but not a home one.

Marina · 12/09/2002 19:21

Yes, Bayleaf, she does - I changed it earlier this summer after my Mumsnet craving reached sinister proportions...! So it will reach me. Thanks so much.

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sml · 12/09/2002 23:26

Hello Marina,
I just read about your sad news this morning, and have been thinking very much about you and your family today. So I too am knocking on the door of the plaque-stricken house to add my prayers and sympathy to everyone else's, and to remember your Thomas.

Patttsy2001 · 14/09/2002 21:30

Dear Marina,

I know many Mumnetters have written on this thread.

I would like to add my best wishes to you and your family.

Patttsy2001

clucks · 15/09/2002 14:12

Dear Marina

I would like to add my sympathy to all you already have.

I admire your courage and strength and wish you and your family the best.

Janus · 16/09/2002 13:16

Marina, I've been away and just read Thomas' story and feel so incredibly sad for you and your family but also amazed at your strength. You have always been a source of such good advice and kind words I only hope you can listen to people here and be aware that nothing in this is a failure on your part, Thomas was meant for another world. It must be an awful time for you and I hope over the coming months things ease for you. Take care of yourselves and be easy on yourself. xx

Clarinet60 · 16/09/2002 21:53

I have just found this too and would like to add my support. I'm glad you saw Thomas and that the hospital gave you such good support. I'm so sad for you.

CAM · 20/09/2002 11:03

Haven't seen any posts from you recently Marina, hope you are alright?

bossykate · 20/09/2002 20:12

cam, i believe marina is on well deserved hols. how are you doing?

honeybunny · 23/09/2002 13:50

Marina, so very sorry to hear about little Thomas, my heart goes out to you and your family, and hope that happier times are ahead. It will be the third anniversary of our first son's still birth on Friday, and as I remember him I'll think of little Thomas and hope that somehow they know how much they were loved and are dearly missed.

(apologies for not posting sooner, but I've been away)

Lizzer · 23/09/2002 19:45

Marina, I too have been off the boards for quite some time and have only just seen your terrible news. I was really touched by the message you have written, but I cannot begin to imagine what you have been through losing Thomas this way.
My heart goes out to you and your family, you have given me so much excellent advice and reassurance over the past year or so, and I just wish there was some way of returning this all to you right now.
Hope you have enjoyed your break away.

Much love, Lizzer X

Scuba · 25/09/2002 22:25

Thinking of you