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Thomas' story - long

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Marina · 05/09/2002 20:28

This is a long post, and sad, so I apologise in advance if it upsets anyone. It was helpful for me to write it, I have to say; and I sincerely hope that in future it might be of some help to someone facing the same situation as us - this is what happened to us after our second trimester baby died in the womb.

Thomas was born at 12.55am on the 25th August. As some of you might recall, I had already started havering about VBAC, so I am proud of the fact that in the end I got through his birth (with wonderful support from dh and our midwife) on just gas and air. I decided I wanted to try and give him the birth I'd have tried for if things had turned out differently. I do also react badly to morphine both physically and psychologically, before anyone thinks I am a complete masochist.

I was admitted Saturday morning and finally went into the Delivery Suite at 10.50pm. During the day I was given two lots of prostaglandins vaginally, and then one lot by mouth. I only had major contractions for about 2.5 hours.

Thomas was very small and fragile, so although we were able to see him and spend time with him, it was not possible to hold him or dress him which we had been told we might be able to do. He was very beautiful to our eyes but at 20 weeks did not look as though he ever had much of a chance. We have some photos and a smudgy set of footprints. We chose the name Thomas because it had no family resonances (nor did we know any little Thomases), but when we met our dear boy, he was so small all I could think of was Tom Thumb. The hospital wrapped him in a shawl we had brought for him, and supplied a tiny Moses basket for him.

I was out by late morning the next day. While there, we saw at least three people who looked after us when DS1 was born, and they remembered us (or said they did), which was very kind. The hospital relocated in 2001 and the new building has a special room for people in our situation, endowed by parents who went through something similar last year. So for all of the time except for three hours in delivery, we were in a quiet room, aside from the main action, and equipped with its own bathroom, a double bed, CARPET, TV, fridge, sink, kettle etc, and a sofa. Not unlike a Travelodge, to be honest. We had plenty of company when we wanted it, as staff kept popping in to chat, and one-to-one care right through the night.

I will never forget the midwife who helped me deliver Thomas. She only qualified last year and her chosen speciality is helping young single mums on two local estates with severe social problems. She was simply wonderful. The hospital also has a new, pilot project which funds a part-time Bereavement Midwife. We had to wait over a week for her to come back from leave, which was hard, and if I?m honest, there were times when I felt abandoned and forgotten after we were discharged from hospital. But we know about the terrible staffing problems there and we know the intentions were always good. When we finally met the Bereavement Midwife it was like meeting the best sort of well-informed old friend. She knew ALL the answers to ALL my questions ? and being an A* nosy parker I had a lot of them.

We decided to have a postmortem for Thomas and that has now been done. We will get the results, along with all my test results, at the beginning of October. We have only a 50/50 chance of finding a definite reason for his death, which is one of the hardest things to take at the moment.

In the meantime we are planning a service of thanksgiving for him at our parish church. We have friends (one of them is married to the Assistant Parish Priest who will conduct the service) who have been through similar hard times and they have helped us with making arrangements. Someone had to tell us that with very small bodies a lot of crematoria will not supply ashes, and I?m glad that someone was not an undertaker.

I am so relieved and touched that throughout what we went through Thomas was referred to as our baby and not a miscarriage. He had his own hospital notes and ID tags, despite what we all knew in advance. I'm up and down emotionally, as you can imagine, I don't need to say more than that. Physically I'm OK and recovering well. I didn?t get any milk, thank goodness ? at nearly 21 weeks it can go either way and no-one could predict this for me.

Life goes on at home. DS1 took the news (simply told in response to a question) sadly but was playing cheerily with Brio ten minutes later, which we found reassuring given he is only three. He has been such a source of comfort to us ? we had his picture with us in hospital to remind us of what we had to be thankful for back at home, and that what happened to us last month (it feels like 1,000 years ago sometimes) is NOT the way it usually is.

As others have said on this site, you find out who your fearless, committed friends really are when the chips are down. Our house and phone have been shunned as though plague-stricken by some people whom we had hoped would ring or even e-mail. Other friends have been fantastic. I implore all Mumsnetters who might ever have friends in our situation, don?t hesitate ? pick up that phone. I can almost guarantee they will be touched and delighted to hear from you, even if they are not up to talking much.

And all the messages posted about Thomas here have helped so much too. We will be printing them out to add to his Memory Book. Every evening (and there have been some) that our home felt like a place of doom, it was cheering to remember that so many people were thinking of us ? and the Slagging off the Childcare Gurus thread brought a smile to my face when nothing else worked! Thank you all.

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berries · 06/09/2002 13:08

Dear Marina, you have written a moving tribute to your son. I am sure he will now be remembered by everyone here.
Much love to you and your family
Berriesxx

clary · 06/09/2002 13:24

Marina, just to add to what others have said, I was so moved to read your post, it made me cry, but I'm glad that writing about it helped. When something like this happens, it does just remind us all how lucky and blessed we all are with our lovely children.
Thinking of you all, Cxx

Rhubarb · 06/09/2002 14:36

Marina, it's not often that I am moved to tears on Mumsnet. Thank you for sharing Thomas's story with us. There is no more I feel I can say, other than the memory of Thomas and your bravery will certainly stay with me. Cyber hugs to you and your family. x

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SoupDragon · 06/09/2002 14:52

I think everything I could say has been said already. I love the idea of a tree or bush to remember Thomas by.

hugs

Tillysmummy · 06/09/2002 16:16

Again, I think eveything has been said. How brave you are. Your courage and openness humbles me. Lots of love to you and dear little Thomas xx

jac · 06/09/2002 17:26

Dear Marina,

I don't often post much these days, but felt I would like to send you my deepest sympathies for what has happened to you and your family. I can't imagine what you are going through but know you will never forget your little Thomas.

May I wish you all the very best for the future and look forward to your posts soon, they are as always unique.

CAM · 06/09/2002 18:21

Dearest Marina
What eloquent and beautiful words expressing your love for your little boy Thomas. You are a very brave and loving person. Thank you for sharing everything with us, your friends. Lots of love and hugs to you.

threeangels · 06/09/2002 18:41

Dear Marina, I just want to say what a heartfelt story of precious Thomas. Im sure your friends will come around again. Some people just have a hard time expressing to someone about their loss. They may not know what to say or how to say it. They might think theyll say the wrong thing. I am so happy that with all that has happen you were able to see your precious little boy and say good bye. I know he will live on in your hearts forever. Take care and God Bless you all.

helenmc · 06/09/2002 19:10

Dear Marina, thank you for sharing Thomas' story. I can't add anything that so many people haven't said already. sending you and your family my love and best wishes.

Ellaroo · 06/09/2002 19:31

Marina, all my love to you and your family. You have marked Thomas's existance with such love and great dignity. Tears are streaming down my face as I write this as I can only imagine how painful it must be for you to face each day at the moment. Thinking of you all.

Take care, Love Ellaroo x

oxocube · 06/09/2002 20:01

With much love to you all , oxocube xxx

Tigger2 · 06/09/2002 20:05

Marina, I cannot add anything else, just that you are in my thoughts. Take care and love to you and your husband and son.

Tigger
xxx

ScummyMummy · 06/09/2002 20:31

What a wonderful tribute to Thomas, Marina. Thank you for taking the time to write it and post it. I feel very priveleged to have read it and admire you all the more for your reaction at this difficult difficult time. Love to dh and ds. And most of all to you.

ames · 06/09/2002 21:42

marina and family, so sorry for your loss. You are so brave to share with us your experience. I'm so glad the staff were sympathetic and kind to you and you describe his birth so calmly perhaps your words will help someone else one day that has to experience the same thing. Little Thomas will live on in your hearts and memories. Take Care.

MalmoMum · 07/09/2002 09:28

Much, much in the way of wishing you support and strength and whatever you need. I'm trying to write something comprehensible while having a little cry. It's wonderful that you have written this out.

Ghosty · 07/09/2002 09:42

I am new to mumsnet so don't know any of you that well but my heart goes out to you Marina and your family.
My thoughts and prayers are with you,
Ghosty

bayleaf · 07/09/2002 12:21

Needless to say I'm sitting here with tears streaming down my cheeks - as I've said before I empathise so strongly and feel so, so sorry at your awful loss. I think you are so wise and brave to treasure Thomas as the little person he was rather than just trying to 'bury' it all emotionally (as I did) and then regret it later. That you never met him does not mean that he was not your son or that you loved him anyless then if you had - and I think it's sometimes hard for 'outsiders' to understand that.
Much love
Bayleaf

MABS · 08/09/2002 21:42

Having only returned from holiday yesterday Marina - I just wanted to add my sincere condolences and say how sorry I was to hear about your loss of baby Thomas.
Thinking of you all xxx

JayTree · 08/09/2002 23:36

Dear Marina,
My tears and thoughts are with you and your family.
xxx

GRMUM · 09/09/2002 07:57

I too have just come back after one month away.I am so sorry to hear of what you have been through and send much love to you and your family.

angharad · 09/09/2002 10:05

God Bless

tigermoth · 09/09/2002 10:54

Marina, thanks for having the courage to tell your story here. Coming back from holiday, I have just read it. You have have made Thomas live in my memory as I know he lives on in yours.

Love tigermoth xxx

bundle · 09/09/2002 12:50

Marina, your strength is amazing and I'm sure you can see what a powerful effect Thomas has had on all of us. (a bit of an aside: through work I met a paediatric pathologist, a lovely gentle woman, who told me that she'd spent hours on the phone to parents talking through pm's, and sometimes literally spent months trying to find answers for bereaved parents who just wanted to know why. I know there's been some bad press about pathologists but she really inspired me as a compassionate, professional and above all a real human being who tried her best to help people through the most difficult thing that can ever happen to any of us. )

Marina · 09/09/2002 20:26

Thanks everyone for such kind messages, they mean a very great deal to us all. All of them, but especial thanks to Janh for reminding me of those beautiful words from last year. We are currently finalising what we want included in Thomas' service and I think we will try and find room for that quote (the Jeremiah is already there, Rhubarb!).
Bundle, it simply had not occurred to me until now that it might be possible for us to discuss Thomas' results with the pathologist direct. We will of course be seeing the consultant in early October where the test results will be collated and discussed. Thank you so much for planting that little seed in my mind. It could turn out to be incredibly helpful. All along I have struggled with the idea that my follow-up is being conducted by obstetricians, not a paediatrician in sight, and of course there is someone with that specialist knowledge involved.
No-one placed the slightest pressure on us at the hospital to have a PM, but everyone, the Chaplain included, spoke warmly of the wonderful woman paediatric pathologist, at a different hospital, to whom Thomas would be sent. It was clear that her work was greatly valued and respected by the staff on the unit. I wonder if it is the same person? It somehow seemed better that it would be a woman conducting the examination.
And, given that I have had bleak moments of thinking that Thomas could suffer no worse indignity than my failure to keep him alive (sorry, v. bad weekend), we had no thoughts of the PM being intrusive or inappropriate.

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