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Breastfeeding pressure overshadowing labour worries

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BeedeBee · 28/01/2011 17:31

Is anyone else feeling overwhelmed by the pressure to breastfeed, esp so soon after delivery? I don't want to breastfeed but after lots of pressure from DH, NCT and local Children's Centre, I've agreed to 'try'. Now I can't stop worrying about the horrible time I'm going to have after birth, especially overnight on the post-natal ward when my DH will have gone home, trying and probably failing to do something I really, really don't want to do. It's really getting me down. I can't imagine having the mental strength to deal with any BF-related bullying on the post-natal ward.

This is my first baby.

Am I alone?

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wigglesrock · 29/01/2011 10:59

I have commented on this thread near the start, the OP is frightened, worried, having her first child in 3 weeks, she is looking for advice, support on the Childbirth thread. I'm embarrased to be a MN member when I read some of the comments of these 2 pages. The OP has stated that her worries are overshadowing these last few lovely weeks of pregnancy.

This in not AIBU, this is a woman looking for support, women who breast feed often comment on MN that they are upset, think its unfair that they are labelled as militant, pushy etc, well take a read at some of these comments - "a baby looks strange with a bottle in ts mouth" seriously who's that helping.

ThePosieParker · 29/01/2011 11:01

wiggles....I think it's important to get another side of the debate. I do think babies look weird with bottles and I was certainly not pro bf before dcs, but motherhood does alter people a lot.

wigglesrock · 29/01/2011 11:06

But its not a debate theposiepsarker that's my point, the Op has asked if she's alone in feeling overwhelmed in something she feels forced to do. She's not asking asking for advice on ff or bf. Honestly look at catinthehat2 post, it's questioning the OPs intelligence. She has not posted in Bottle/breastfeeding forum, maybe because she didn't want that kind of reaction.

whatagradeA · 29/01/2011 11:08

The idea of breaastfeeding made me squirm before I had DD but having seen my friend successfully (and easily) bf her dd I knew I would give it a go. It was fine, it was easy, I had a blocked duct once but it was easily sortable. I exclusively bf both from a start of 'I'll see how it goes'.

Just try it. Start a thread asking for positive stories to counteract the scary ones that have put you off! If you don't try you'll never know and if you hate it you can stop.

Good luck Smile

ThePosieParker · 29/01/2011 11:37

But wiggles....I think that women should be empowered and not forced to bf their babies, seems to me like OP has had a bundle of pressure and misinformation, otherwise why does any woman choose not to bf? She mentions trying and failing bf, which I hope she won't fail and many of us who think like that before hand with the right support and determination can overcome bf issues.

BabyDubsEverywhere · 29/01/2011 11:50

OP you are not alone! i felt exactly the same, the few weeks leading up to the birth of my DS this 'issue' took over most of my thoughts, it seriously stressed me out. There was alot of pressure, from the midwives, talk on the hospital visit, my DH's family, my friends, my mom, every book i picked up, every sodding leaflet or poster in the waiting rooms.

I felt like id been 'breastfed' to death!

I tried asking a few of the above about formula feeding, the hcp apparently weren't allowed to talk about that. the best i could get was reading the backs of the packets in the supermarket (didnt have internet at the time) I felt so ashamed of myself for not wanting to breastfeed that i didnt tell anyone else about it, told everyoine i was going to 'try' and see how it goes etc.

As soon as i got onto the ward after the birth the midwives swarmed around the bed trying to put DS to my breast, i was miserable, i didnt want it to work, i didnt want them touching my baby, or me, i wanted to be left alone. but they seemed so concerned with being sable to tick 'breastfed' on the sodding chart that they kept on asking, i think within an hour of my DH being back on the ward id sent him off for a bottle. Never looked back, all that stress for nothing, it just isnt important.

And to the poster who cant understand how you can carry a baby and not want to feed it - wow what a bitch! So because i dont want to breastfeed i now dont want to feed my baby at all! perhaps hes now a lesser being as he was formula fed? hmm... Hmm

fizzylollies · 29/01/2011 12:00

"BF-related bullying on the post-natal ward."

Ah don't sweat about it, I wanted to BF but I still had a MW take my baby and feed my baby 2 bottles of formula, without my consent. Shock Similar to RobynLou

So many women in the UK only BF for a very short time. I'm sure if you want to bottle feed it will not be an issue.

I think you will find that most hospitals do not offer great support for BF.

Culturally the UK does not promote an open bfing culture.

I think you could do with a book, that is often touted on here. It is called the Politics of Breastfeeding. FWIW you do not sound too informed on the matter.

fizzylollies · 29/01/2011 12:07

Have you heard of that saying perception becomes reality. If you think you are going to have a horrible time, then a horrible time is more likely to occur.

You owe it yourself to stay positive, but I also think you need to get informed on bfing.

I have never ever heard of someone being forced to bf. I mean what are they going to do, hide the formula from you?

Fredfred · 29/01/2011 12:08

I was worried about BF, but really really wanted to BF my DC. When I was in hospital after having DD1 I was told I had to FF as she had jaundice. I was put under MASSIVE pressure to FF and following that she ended up only wanting a bottle and screamed when I tried to BF.

With DD2 again I wanted to BF, but I was only allowed home from hospital on the condition that I promised the midwives and pediatrician to FF her till my milk came in.

The reason I am telling you this is because I really think that you shouldn't worry, although I experienced a lot of pressure to BF antenatally, I experienced none postnatally, rather the opposite. It is your decision and yours alone. Do what YOU want to do. Even if you wanted to BF the decision might be taken out of your hands like it was with me.

StealthPolarBroccoli · 29/01/2011 12:36

PLEASE don't let this overshadow your last few weeks of being pg, this should be a time when you are fat and fed up but looking forward to meeting your baby.
As for bf, I'd say give it a go, maybe give colostrum and see how you feel. One feed at a time, no pressure. If you decide to FF then once youve made that decision & told them you're sure, no one should pressure you

southmum · 29/01/2011 13:29

I think some of you, whether you realise it or not, are putting the same pressure on OP that she is trying to get away from. I can understand where you are coming from, BF can be an amazing experience but its not for everyone - I know someone who didnt want to BF as there is breast cancer in her family and it was just something that she could not bring herself to do. Didnt stop the MW forcing the baby onto her nipples though when she was recovering from a section Hmm

OP Id just like to say that the method of feeding is a very small part of a wonderful bond that you and your baby will share. You have your own reasons for not wanting to BF and people will respect that and no-one will think any less of you.

Enjoy these last couple of weeks and try to stop worrying about this. It isnt up to anyone else what feeding method you choose

kikibo · 29/01/2011 13:29

Where I gather there are different opinions on the matter, I am also one who has decided I will not breastfeed. The concept just does not strike me as appealing.
This might sound really strange, but I do not like even touching my nipples, so I am at a loss what I would feel if a baby sucked them for getting something out of them.
I have no problem with people doing it in front of me, but I would not do the same. Effectually, I would start expressing (the thought of which makes me squirm too) or I would lock myself up. Expressing would be defeating the whole 'easy' idea as well beause I would still have to get bottles and sterilise them.
I also do not see myself doing it in the middle of the night, falling asleep while baby feeds not being a very good idea (due to suffocation issues; never co-sleep), and all through the day. While I would like to spend a lot of time with baby, I would not like to stress over the fact that he/she keeps crying and that I have to keep feeding him/her. I am more than a feeding machine and I would like my hubby, if he has half of the week off, to get up in the night too as it is his child as well.
Though, at one time I was presurised by him. He even sent someone to me who had breastfed her eldest. Not the youngest as he had a cleft palat, all solved now, and could not suck in a normal manner. Still, the German midwives even tried to pressurise her into BFing him despite seeing that it could not work for the poor boy who even used to get frustrated with his bottle, poor boy. She only strengthened by views in not doing it.
I have a book somewhere which says that baby gets stressed if mum or dad is stressed. That will probably be true. As such, doing something you do not see yourself doing and which you feel you are pushed into doing (no matter whether the people pushing are trying to give advise) is a bad idea, as baby will get stressed. The best mum, is a woman who is happy, relaxed and vigilant, not stressed out and tired because she has to give baby a feed every hour of the night Shock.
If anyone ever gives me those arguments, I will willingly give the baby to them and tell them to do it, because I will not. Simple.

I gather that in the UK there is a bit of a strange ambiguous approach to BF. On the one side, there is 'pressure' anten-natally in terms of no info at all on bottle feeding: how, how much, what you need etc. On the other side, they would give your baby a bottle because he/she screams too much. I can imagine with 5 babies and mothers on the ward that things do not work very well if all those babies start screaming of hunger in the middle of the night at a different time, waking one another up, but the problem can be solved with sugar water like in Belgian hospitals. Jaundice is no argument either.
From the other side, despite the sabotage in some hospitals (I suppose because of shortage of staff they don't have the time to give adequate advise), the public is still hypnotised by the 'breast is best' idea. Breast is best has been 'proven' by several studies and then disproven in others. The only 'proof' there is, is statistical. It all depends on the group that is consulted. If the study says breastfeeding reduces the amount of infections, some of that 'proof' is based on FF v BF in third world countries where the water supply is contaminated. Naturally, BF in those countries is a much better option as there is no clean water, or there is in bottles, which is much too expensive for most mothers there. Naturally, infants are more vulnerable to infection and with a contaminated water supply, it can be called dangerous to FF, but that deos not apply to Western Europe, not even Eastern Europe. So why use that 'proof' on leaflets in any countries other than third world? If a study proves that BF is better because it helps to counter obesity, it fails to inform readers that that is because a baby drinks less from the breast than from a bottle, which means he gets fewer calories. Give that baby breastmilk with a bottle, and there goes the theory, because those babies were as much at risk of obesity as the bottle fed ones. So, the breastmilk has nothing to do with obesity in that case, only with the recommended amount of milk in bottles. In the meantime there is another approach to bottle feeding (on demand, like BF) which has practically the same advantages. Mothers would have a lower risk of breastcancer if they had breastfed. As we do not know what breastcaner is caused by, we can hardly determine why breastfeeding would lessen the risk, which is already small at any rate.

Recently a study claimed that statistically, BF-babies of 6 months were at a higher risk of allergies. Whether that is true or not and why that is, cannot be said. What is then the role of breastfeeding in this? Same goes for the allegedly higher IQ... with a few points. It does not make a difference. Not even between a weakly gifted and normal child.

Essentially, it boils down to the fact that baby will not perish if mum doesn't feel like breastfeeding. He will maybe get the odd cold, ear infection, but he will get that when he is off BF anyway.
Generations and generations grew up with formula in the 60s-80s and none of us are really worse off, we are not stupid people, we are not all fat, etc. It cannot be that bad.

Follow your own ideas and stick with them, tell them to get lost.

fizzylollies · 29/01/2011 13:30

StealthBroccoli is so right. Go for walks, try catch some sleep, and pamper yourself silly (I would look fondly back on my pampering sessions and was so glad I had squeezed some on).

Good luck Smile

fizzylollies · 29/01/2011 13:37

kikibo I have not even read through your entire post but it is dangerous and anti-breast feeding.

"I have no problem with people doing it (BF) in front of me, but I would not do the same."

Sorry but that reads to me that you actually would prefer people do not bf in front of you.

"I also do not see myself doing it in the middle of the night, falling asleep while baby feeds not being a very good idea (due to suffocation issues; never co-sleep)"

Utter rubbish that Breastfeeding mothers put their babies at risk of suffocation.

"I am more than a feeding machine and I would like my hubby, if he has half of the week off, to get up in the night too as it is his child as well. "

There is much more than feeding, your hubby could and should do an awful lot. Solids came in at around 6 months. I mean, really. Big Sigh. Competitive sleep deprivation isn't actually healthy for your relationship.

fizzylollies · 29/01/2011 13:40

Kikibo I'm sorry but the rest of your post is rambling and incoherent and bordering on delusional.

Oh well, never mind. I'm off to have a marshmallow.

Grin
StealthPolarBroccoli · 29/01/2011 13:46

" The only 'proof' there is, is statistical."
What sort of proof do you prefer>

"It all depends on the group that is consulted."
Thats where sound research methods and statistical analysis comes in to decide whether the results are significant, or based on random variations. And one of the criteria of a good experiment is that you should be able to reproduce it and get the same result.

gaelicsheep · 29/01/2011 13:54

OP - the following is not aimed at you. I am presuming that you have considered all the facts when making your decision and it is your decision at the end of the day. I am curious about why you don't want to breastfeed, but I won't ask as it's your own business. Regarding your thread title, look at it this way - at least it's distracting you from worrying about labour!

The following is in response to kikibo's ill informed post:

"Essentially, it boils down to the fact that baby will not perish if mum doesn't feel like breastfeeding."

Boy, you're lucky that your ancestors didn't think like that aren't you?

"Recently a study claimed that statistically, BF-babies of 6 months were at a higher risk of allergies."

Can you quote or link to that study please?

As for the ramble about breast being best only in third world countries yada yada. I think it rather speaks for itself that human milk is best for human babies, don't you?

MarsLady · 29/01/2011 13:56

Darling girl why don't you wait until you have your baby.

You may well find that, of your own accord, you change your mind about breastfeeding. You may completely love it and should any challenges arise meet them.

You may well find that your position hasn't changed.

But may I just say that there is no bullying or I should hope not. Perhaps you should see if you can find someone more objective to talk to about it. It can be an emotive subject.

Smile
BlackSwan · 29/01/2011 14:19

OP - I was dead set on BF before the birth - did it for a week or so, but it was not for me. I only really felt 'pressure' that you describe after the birth - and it really got to me. It made the decision to stop (which was the right one for me) that much harder. I wish I hadn't been so determined to make it work because it just wasn't going to.

Just leave yourself the room to decide what's right for you after the birth. You don't have to decide to do anything now. Anything you decide to do after the birth is fine & don't let anyone push you around.

ragged · 29/01/2011 15:09

I think I'll take that as a compliment, CatintheHat, lol.

I'm still curious about what horror stories OP has heard.

Probably means that she talked to people who tried to breastfeed but had a terrible time, and then felt compelled to bottlefeed.
Compulsion is not a choice.
Whereas OP is talking about choosing to only bottlefeed, never even trying to breastfeed.

I suspect that there are rather few "horror" stories from people who fully chose to bottlefeed, tho' I am happy to be corrected. In theory such stories would be anecdotes in favour of choosing breastfeeding, no?

Most people do a bit of both, did you know that OP? Many people who are quite successful at BF switch fully to bottles for convenience reasons by 4 months. A lot of people combine them both from early on (so say nights and evenings on breast, days on bottle), There are all kinds of ways to make it successful for you.

RMCW · 29/01/2011 15:13

OK.....Try it, if you dont like it, dont do it.

Simple, really Smile

BeedeBee · 29/01/2011 17:16

Thanks everyone for your responses - I really appreciate you taking the time. Special thanks to BabyDubsEverywhere and Wigglesrock for picking up on the fact that I'm not claiming to be feeling remotely 'rational' about all of this and was in fact just seeking some friendly reassurance! Let's end it here and thanks again.

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kikibo · 29/01/2011 17:36

@gaelicsheep:

"Sorry but that reads to me that you actually would prefer people do not bf in front of you."

And where did you read that? I said, I repeat, that I would not like to do it myself in front of them. I have no problem with people doing it in front of me. I don't go, 'Ooh, put your breast back where it belongs.' I said, I cannot consider myself 'popping my boob out' anywhere in public. If that is offensive to you, then what is not? Am I still allowed to make up my own mind about my own boob, or what?

"Utter rubbish that Breastfeeding mothers put their babies at risk of suffocation."

It is not utter rubbish. If you, as an adult, fall asleep, lying next to your baby who is feeding at your breast, you can go and lie on it. It is not totally impossible, you know. Reasearch has been done on that as well. Why do you think we have ceased to put big pillows and stuffed animals in bed with a little baby? Because it can smother them, so can one or two adult people.

"Boy, you're lucky that your ancestors didn't think like that aren't you?"

That has nothing to do with it. We have formula now, so why can we not use it if that is a positive decision? Why does it have to be, 'Well, you can try and then if you don't like it, stop with it.' Why can we just not decide beforehand and why do we only see leaflets with the Breast is Best idea on it? Why are the possible negative sides never listed? I am sure that people would be interested. And yes, they may be practical, but for some people practical reasons are reasons as well. Stopping after a while is even harder than not starting altogether, and I know that from a number of people.

As for the study, it was in all the news papers and in the British Medical Journal. Google it, I am sure you'll be able to find it.

If there is a free choice, allegedly, my post cannot be dangerous.

catinthehat2 · 29/01/2011 19:25

Ragged, it was indeed.

lala21 · 29/01/2011 19:30

Beedee its your choice. I had an awful time on the postnatal ward with midwives and the pressure to BF. There attitude for me was disgusting and I was on the postnatal ward for 1 week.I'm not an ignorant uneducated mother but was sure as hell made to feel like I was.
Am due any day now with second.

This time round I wrote on my notes will not be BF and will not discuss it. I have my formula and sterile bottles and that's that. I loved formula feeding especially as my son was low birth weight and had other feeding issues.

There is nothing wrong with it, NCT Is great for all the support it gives you but only if it supports you its not meant to make you feel guilty.

I got asked to leave a children's centre because I was formula feeding and got told I could not enter a BF cafe with my bottles, as a mother you have to be thick skinned and tough it out horrible as it sounds but you will be fine.

It also depends on where you live I was living in BF central so anything else you were the scanky single uneducated evil 15 year old mum if you formula fed and the sheer horror of a bottle was sketched over everyone face... remember thick skinned...deep breath

have now moved and its great to see BF and formula feeding with mum's old and young enjoying the experience.

You're going to have so many people attempting to judge you. Do what you feel is best. It never even entered my mind to BF this time after everything I went through I don't have much respect for the midwives and health professionals but then that's just me.

Take your formula in you can get the cartons and or the disposable sterile bottles for reassurance. You can just shrug your shoulders and say this is just what I am doing, its my choice and my opinion.

Enjoy the last exciting few weeks of your pregnancy and the birth. It all goes so quickly honestly. In a year or two when you've got peas and broccoli being thrown at you because little one just wants to eat chips or a slice of bread you'll wonder what all the worry about BF v FF was about. A happy mum makes for a happy baby and child. GOOD LUCK stick to your guns and if it all get's to much use the line when you've shat a grapefruit out of your arse then come and tell me what to do. ( For the record having a baby is not a pre requisite for being an amazing midwife but humanity and understanding is) GOOD LUCK