your child freedom formula - has anyone tried it?

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ive seen adverts for this on fb. they claim to be able to cure anxiety in young people. im suspicious - and nowhere does it tell you the cost. however im fairly desperate since my 16 year old is very disabled by anxiety. thanks

I didn’t realise this thread was still going coz it slipped off my list. Will have a read through later.

@GoodButNaughty First off, you have already messaged me asking me to be quiet on this thread, secondly I have told you who I am and what I do, which is someone you don’t agree with because I am being positive. Thirdly non of those URLs are even plausible or accessible as it says error.
May I state to you again I am not a Mole and finding out things about the company when I have one job to do and that’s to make sure my daughter gets the help she deserves and needs.

I’m absolutely disgusted that with this much exposure to people’s experiences of vulnerability have been used against them.

If you want to find out these things which will lead to dead ends then you go for it but don’t use me and my daughter as a tool to get information so you can use it against me, that’s seriously wrong.

@Psuedoshoes I am allowed freedom of speech thank you I don’t need you telling me when I can’t and can post. All the other mums have given up trying to talk to you because you don’t listen but there we are I don’t have time to be on this so this is definitely my last post. If you want my experience then message me privately I’m done being bullied and ridiculed on here.

@JungleMum40 I COMPLETELY REFUTE your statement about messaging you to remain quiet; you know this is completely false! I am happy to share the messages I sent you. Are you?!

I messaged because my friend claimed she knew who you were IRL and she had said to me she was going to post directly on this thread outing you! I was very concerned that she may do this so PMd you to establish if you were the person my friend thought you were and to warn you of my friends potential actions if you were.

Omg I’m so shocked and upset you have posted this! I was looking out for you!! You even thanked me and acknowledged this

I will not share what you replied to me but would request that you correct you false accusations immediately!

Sorry if the links don’t work - if you google ‘trustpilot fake reviews’ you’ll find the BBC Post I referenced.

@GoodButNaughty I am 30 years old, with a DD with anxiety, I did not know who Sam was or what the formula was before I searched it up. I am sticking up for myself here, if you want to constantly bitch about me then go ahead I don’t care anymore it doesn’t get to me. In reply to me being ‘multiple’ people: 1: I don’t have time to be that sad and 2: you can’t make another one unless you have another email which I only have one? This is so wrong of your friend to say she will ‘out me’ this is taking away my freedom of speech, you seem to be the person with so much hate posting it all over here and getting others to agree with you, if that is how you want to be then so be it, I’ll see you all on the other side.

And your apology and correction for making a false claim about me @JungleMum40?

I was able to manage the situation with my friend by PMing you - she did not post on the thread; I asked her not to.

@TeenMinusTests Good for you and your DD. I hope everything works out for you.

Absolutely nobody is bullying you - you're sounding absolutely ridiculous now throwing out completely false accusations. You're the bully on this thread if anyone. And posting two minutes after your "definitely last post". I won't be engaging further with you as I really can't abide manipulative bullies.

@Psuedoshoes you’re sounding so childish, I have told you my opinion, my experience and because it doesn’t fit in with what you are saying you don’t like it. I’m not bullying anyone I’m sticking up for myself. Not lowering myself to your level of immaturity. Plus I have not made any false accusations.

That's really helpful teen, it's great your dd has made such great progress through the steps.

Steps for my ds (who has school related anxiety) included

Taking the pressure of re school attendance, a reduced timetable and very phased return with the option of a safe area in school when is is struggling

A 6 week group anxiety programme run by CAMHS, he found it hard to engage but as parents it helped us with techniques and management of anxious situations

Gradual exposure to situations that made him feel anxious with our support, building his confidence and allowing him to return to activities he had stopped going to

Weekly visits for the school nurse who has been amazing, providing practical techniques for him to deal with the anxious feelings either a step by step plan to get him back into classroom.

Regular therapy with a private therapist who is experienced in working with children with anxiety, building his self esteem and confidence.

We're more matter of fact now about his anxiety, we try not to focus on it too much at home, it felt like for such a long time the focus of our home life, now we support but don't overreact to anxious times.

Please may I request that all sides do their best to refrain from name calling?

I know emotions are running high on both sides, but keeping the debate such as it is respectful will help potential other users of YCFF make up their own minds as to whether or not they wish to proceed.

I joined this thread neutral as I had never heard of YCFF. I find it disappointing that 600 posts in I still know so little about how they help people beyond providing very hands on support, but of what that actual support is I am still pretty ignorant.

@JungleMum40
Once again - If you can’t apologise at the very least I am requesting a correction to your false accusation against me.

Do you need me to screen shot my PMs to you and share them on this thread? I really don’t want to do that and of course I will be respectful of you and not post your responses to me... but how else can I prove that I did not request you to be silent?

Thankfully it will be clear to anyone reading the full thread that my actions are supportive of my friend and I’ve tried at all times to post factually and not make any false claims.

I went to a session run by a local
Hypnotherapist a while back when my Dd was really suffering. It was organised by the school and we had to pay £5-10 I think. Was very informative no hard sell. I'd just look for someone local who's not trying to set up a pyramid scheme!

hedge YCFF does not appear to be a pyramid scheme.

I don't think Jungle knows what is being said to her DD to change her behaviour? That seems a bit worrying on a few levels

Mixed emotions when I read the type of support a few if you were able to access through school :( I had none for my lovely DD - still, she's doing ok now.

@DoubleTweenQueen

I don't think Jungle knows what is being said to her DD to change her behaviour? That seems a bit worrying on a few levels

Mixed emotions when I read the type of support a few if you were able to access through school :( I had none for my lovely DD - still, she's doing ok now.

We have found it a common theme in counselling that you don't know what is said between the child and the counsellor. So in some ways that is perfectly normal. Sometimes my DD's have talked about what they discussed, and sometimes not.

What I find more confusing is there is lots about YCFF about how the family has to be committed, and to change etc, and yet very little info forthcoming on how the family are being asked to change.

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We chose DD's school partly because of its good pastoral reputation. However there is still only so much they can do. They aren't experts and they have a whole school full of children to oversee. It was 'good enough' for DD y7-y9, but they were out of their depth when she got worse in y10 and the pandemic hit.

@TeenMinusTests I understand that, but then a counselor will have been been through training and vetting, so their is a benchmark of approach, behaviour, expectation & trust.

I know exactly what went wrong in dds school - I spent a lot of time volunteering and fundraising so knew the environment very well. Her experience was directly due to actions by members of the school - one person left the school after I'd removed DD. It's not that they were doing their best. Don't want to go into details.

My other DD has had really good proactive support in her secondary school for her difficulties
They're both in really positive supportive environments now.

Teen you're right re therapy, I don't ask ds about his sessions, I told him at the start whatever he discusses is confidential between him and his therapist. But I, like you I'm sure, chose the therapist based on her recognised qualifications, testimonials re her experience and after a long assessment with me where she demonstrated the techniques she uses, how she works and the outcomes she'd expect with her therapy, very different from the secretive veil around YCFF.

double I'd be concerned with the child sessions with YCFF particularly due to the the manipulative way the parent sessions seem to run, I'd be concerned they speak to children like that too.

@dappledsunshine
All the mentors are absolutely lovely, everyone there gives you so much support and care, it is not a scam, I think I will refrain from saying anything because I will get my head bitten off. But I can access the zooms and seen her improvement just by coming to the screen, I’m also doing my bit. The women I have is lovely and you get access all the time to the sessions etc really helpful to see and talk to other mums going through the same as you to also get their advice too.

@DoubleTweenQueen same for us. I’m glad many people are getting help from schools. I worked in education and have seen some great work to support but at my daughters school it’s not happening. She’d been off for months before the attendance officer sent a message to say she’d not registered which is a completely different concern too. The school actually caused the anxiety to escalate with no support. She felt trapped with the bullies and had nobody to turn to all day, never any consequences for the bullies afterwards either.

Even when I explained we were almost at a point she would no longer attend and needed support, they just took her back to her lesson after an incident and she didn’t even get a chance to explain. She’s now not attended for 18 months. We’re not really progressing much right now as she has lost faith in people. She prefers to stay at home, it’s very difficult to push boundaries but we will get there.

@TeenMinusTests

Thought this might be helpful to the non YCFF users. Things we changed in the approximate order they needed to happen: 1) Removal of the main stress factors

• no pushing to go to school or even schoolwork until she was able
• shielding from the stress and drama from her older sister

2) Medication

• medication to aid sleep & antidepressants (private consultant)

3) Changes at home

• regular reassurance as and when needed that she is safe
• staying as patient as possible at all times with her anxieties
• changes to routine to do things at less anxious times, eg moved bedtime forward before evening anxieties hit in
• counselling for myself as I was turning into a wreck

4) Interventions

• leveraging her love of animals in both therapy (animal based) and with social worker (brings dog to walk) and other aspects (seeing friends with pets)

5. Encouragement to push boundaries

• setting up a reward chart (yes I know she's a bit old, but it worked) with points for doing challenging things (schoolwork, going places, etc), reward again being animal based

We are on step 5 right now. Schoolwork has stopped as GCSEs are over, so the challenging things are now all about getting out and about or touching things in the home. The game changer has been the antidepressants as they have enabled her to be strong enough to attempt challenging things.

Fabulous post @TeenMinusTests. It sounds like a corner has been ever so slightly turned x

I really hope so Soon . We have a couple of potentially very stressful things coming up in next few weeks that absolutely cannot be avoided, so I am hoping they don't set her back too much.

Hope it goes well @TeenMinusTests We are trying a zoo visit. It’s much easier in the summer but little steps are celebrated.

Well this has all got quite heated. One poster seems to be taking it all very personally. Despite the fact that no one has criticised any parents. Just the freedom formula itself. Not the parents who choose to buy the programme. It’s also still very unclear what it is. It’s too complicated, you have to try it! Same old message as the posters at the beginning of the thread. I hope the person who is collating all the info does a good job of passing that to the relevant organisation.

teen sounds like your daughter is doing well. I hope the next few weeks are ok and she can put into practice all that she’s learnt so far.