Should governments investigate possible links between Covid vaccines and rising cancer rates?

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Germany is holding a parliamentary inquiry into its COVID response — including how the mRNA vaccines were approved and rolled out. And during that inquiry, a former Chief Toxicologist for Pfizer Europe, Dr. Helmut Sterz, was called to testify.

Under questioning, he said that several key safety studies were not carried out before approval, including long-term carcinogenicity testing. He told the committee that the approval process was accelerated so quickly that important toxicity studies were sacrificed in order to save time.

He also stated that the substance used during the clinical trials was not identical to the one later mass-produced for the population, saying the manufacturing process introduced contamination with bacterial DNA.

Those are serious claims. And they’re now being discussed inside a national parliament, not just on social media. The inquiry is also examining whether side effects and vaccine injuries were expected to be investigated after the vaccines had already been rolled out, rather than fully understood beforehand.

Whether people ultimately agree with his conclusions or not, the fact remains, there has been a noticeable uptick in the rates of many types of cancer since 2021 and therefore should not our governments and health authorities be tasked with investigating a possible link, if nothing else to rule it out as coincidence?

Watch it and make up your own mind.

Cancer rates have been rising since pre covid so vaccines are very unlikely to be the cause.

Which cancers and what evidence do you have for it that cancer rates have just increased since the covid vaccines?

So we shouldn't look into it then?

Investigations and inquiries are expensive and usually at the cost to us tax payers. I would need to see more evidence of a strong link before I would want to spend public funds on something like this.

edited to amend a typo!

No - money and effort would be better spent finding a way to stop people eating crap because that is far more likely to be a cause of increased cancer rates.

Covid/vaccines are a convenient scapegoat

Did you even watch the video?

It should be looked into.
The vaccine is still being given to people.
This was a novel virus and new vaccine so research should be ongoing.

Agreed to an extent, but as the testimony in the video says, how would anyone know when there has never been any toxicology testing done on these vaccines? And, when you have arguments being put forward by some very senior oncologists regarding possible mechanisms of action between these vaccines and cancer, should we not take this at all seriously?

I know it’s unpopular to say and I am a pro-vaxxer but the Covid vaccine triggered an IMMEDIATE serious autoimmune disease in me (literally started the next day) and initially doctors insisted nothing to do with the vaccine, more creepily if I posted about it on health-related websites just querying a connection my posts were deleted and now it’s agreed that yes, it can trigger autoimmune diseases (Astra zeneka). I accepted it long ago, am no longer upset, but do feel there was a very weird cover-up where health professionals were not allowed to consider if what you were telling them held weight.

Hmm... Not sure. Yes the rates of cancer is slowly increasing and it seems to be more in younger people. This could well be lifestyle changes over the years and also better diagnostics. It could be simply a mix of chubbiness less exercise an aging population poor food or less healthy food. So it is hard to pin all the blame on one thing like the jab

Nope. Didn’t feel I needed to. This man wasn’t in a position to see first hand what happened. All he’s done is look at what is publicly available already in terms of information and then made allegations.

Now is not the time to waste valuable public money on ‘what if’ scenarios.

Edited because I just googled and it looks like I am mistaken. Apologies.

no I don’t think they should. It would cost a fortune and what do they stand to gain?

should they look into what is put into our food and water and environment that cause cancer? Definitely! Because they have the power to change these things.

if a link is proved - then what? You can’t unhave the vaccine.

also a possible rise in diabetes type 1

research Into the Covid vaccine is ongoing, each new iteration of the vaccine has been tested before it is rolled out. Same as the monkey pox vaccine and many others are being tested before they need to be rolled out.

We all have about a teaspoon of microplastic in our brains. They're pumping around our bodies in our blood. They're in the water we drink and the food we eat.
We use chemicals that are meant to be long lasting. They're called forever chemicals. They are in the water we drink and the food we eat. Most of us have them in our bodies too - people in my profession are waiting to hear how much has bioaccumulated.
We spray food crops with pesticides. Any chemical with 'cide' at the end is meant to kill. Just because it doesn't kill us doesn't mean it hasn't harmed us (eg Parkinsons is linked to this).
Similarly, the pharmaceuticals we take have side effects. These don't kill use but they harm natural processes.
The air we breathe contains particles that are so small they can cross the blood brain barrier. They pass from mum to child through the placenta.
Etc.
We are a petri dish of contaminants that we have caused.

When I worked on a potential cancer treatment in 2016, cancer rates were 1:4. They are 1:2 now and rising. Is it any wonder? And yet conspiracy theorists want to link cancer to the covid vaccines, give me a break!

Don't cancers normally take years to develop? How would something given in 2021 plausibly cause a detected cancer in 2022?

Under questioning, he said that several key safety studies were not carried out before approval, including long-term carcinogenicity testing. He told the committee that the approval process was accelerated so quickly that important toxicity studies were sacrificed in order to save time.
...Whether people ultimately agree with his conclusions or not,

The only "conclusion" he made is that all usual safety studies didn't happen in usual way in 2020-21 before vaccine rollout? Is that even a conclusion? Sounds like a fact, not a result of analysis. I don't conclude that the sky is blue today, I can see it. Fact, not conclusion.

Where is the evidence that all the usual safety studies didn't produce reassuring results very soon after roll out?

Are antivaxxers saying they would like vaccines to be tested for at least ... 15? 20? years before trusting they don't cause cancer?

Below are some links to studies about safety of common covid vaccines.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110345
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9965811/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X25000519

Yes ideally it should. There should be funded pHds for this surely at least from the drug companies. There is so much to learn from covid in so many respects.

Also it should feed into to our planning for the next outbreak of whatever pops up next. If you think how much money was lost during lockdown. Strain on the NHS, fall out in education and SEN ( toddlers not socialising etc) your talking piss in the ocean funding. Especially as its international so cross border research.

Unfortunately society seems to fall into two camps. Conspiracy theorists who then create a opposite culture of I don't belive anything goes wrong ever. There's a move away from scientistific method and onto influencers talking un educated bollocks.

Let the scientists do their thing I say. it all seems as a waste of money until, you know someone needs cutting edge medical care, which comes via research.

Even if people didn't belive in vaccine damage surely we want to avoid another 2020. I'd like how, to be based on robustly researched facts

Even if there is a connection, which I doubt, I’d rather other countries taxpayers meet the cost of investigations than us! Results will be publicised.

Money lost from lockdown? Depends who you are talking about. Small businesses were often crushed, whilst large corporations made billions. Lockdown policy oversaw the largest ever transfer of wealth in history from ordinary people to the already hugely wealthy.

Funny how our government can find £37 billion at the drop of a hat to fund a 'test and trace' programme, yet can't find enough money to pay to train a few more nurses.

It's nigh impossible to do 'long term toxicity testing' when you have a novel virus that is killing people circulating. If you waited to do those tests before releasing the vaccine, then many, many more people would die. And at the end of it you may well find that toxicity isn't an issue.

Dr Wilson of Debunk the Funk on YouTube is always worth listening to. He's got a PhD in molecular biology and has spent years going through all the Covid literature and debunking the conspiracies and misinformation. This one is about cancer and Covid:

I think your bias shows by calling people antivaxxers. That is not in any way helpful, and when we resort to trying to 'other' people, rather than listen to both sides of any debate with an open mind, then it kind of discredits anything else you might have said IMO. Sorry.

My oldest friend is a rheumatologist and they have said the amount of people that the vaccine triggered an autoimmune response in is quite shocking

The question though is whether it has been actually attributed to the vaccine in the reporting (so that it can act as a flag for further investigation), or whether simply dismissed as a coincidence, or even not picked up at all.

This, plus correlation, if there is one, does not equal causation anyway.