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Breastfeeding till the age of 4 - what do you think?

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lisalisa · 20/07/2005 14:20

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frannyf · 26/07/2005 12:18

I'm still interested in the repeated assertion that breastfeeding toddlers only have milk once or twice a day. This is not my experience (my son and 2 friend's sons, all around 2.5, all feed several times a day). My son was fed more or less on demand up until he was about 2 and he would often want milk many times a day if he was tired, upset or ill. Now I use distraction or tell him I have to make some more (!) and he is uaually happy to wait a while, but left to his own devices he would still have it on tap. He probably feeds around 5 times a day and 2 or 3 times at night. Is this unusual (amongst breastfeeding toddlers that is)? From my reading I assumed this was fairly standard, but on this thread several people have mentioned "only once or twice a day". Just wondering really.

hunkermunker · 26/07/2005 12:19

MarsLady breastfed twins for (I think) 17 months - or maybe a bit longer?

If you're breastfeeding exclusively and frequently, with night feeds, you are unlikely to have a period for as long as you do that. I know that was true for me - DS dropped night feeds just before six months and AF returned soon after. He started night feeds again for a bit and I had long cycles, but I fell pregnant (planned and wanted!) when DS was exactly a year.

If he still wants to breastfeed when the new baby arrives, so be it - I'm happy to fulfil that need. He's down to one good feed and the occasional quick one a day now (he's 15mo), which is no extra drain on me physically - I was more tired when pg with him than I am now!

lailag · 26/07/2005 12:23

frannyf, I agree with you, dd (nearly 2.5y)will have a "sip" throughout the day. On the other hand if out and about with dh she is fine as well. I also try to distract her as much as possible but will not refuse her if she really insists....

SittingComfortably · 26/07/2005 12:29

Hunkermunker. I had my first period about 2 months after my exculsively bfed baby was born, I was still doing at least 2 night feeds. I was very surprised but it seems its not that uncommon.

OK, got to go. Intersting discussion but my LO needs me!

SoupDragon · 26/07/2005 12:30

My periods returned very quickly too despite exclusive bf-ing. I think the bf-ing/no periods thing is a red herring. True for some but by no means all.

tiktok · 26/07/2005 12:31

frannyf - experience varies. You are right that some bf toddlers are very keen all day and all night!

frannyf · 26/07/2005 12:41

Glad I am not alone in having a 2-stone, toothy parasite. His Dad has likened him (affectionately) to a tick during his more "enthusiastic" phases.

ruty · 26/07/2005 13:01

i'm glad you had positive feedback from the docs Ameriscot - maybe they are a bit more clued up in the hospital...

ruty · 26/07/2005 16:05

don't tell me i'm going to be the last poster!

tiktok · 26/07/2005 16:15

No, you're not

Wireart · 26/07/2005 16:18

No, but I might!!!

I know I'm an imposter, but I just wanted to thank you all for sharing your information; I have certainly learned lots about Breastfeeding over the past few days. I have found the latter (!) part of this thread informative and extremely interesting and I'M BROODY!!!!!

This topic is something I have never had to think about before but after reading your information, I feel that I have learnt some useful and insightful info.

Thanks once again

Eulalia · 26/07/2005 16:25

No I will come to the rescue ruty!

Was in a bit of a rush earier... sorry if I got mixed up about who said what, its kind of hard to keep track. Just to clarify more about fertility. Yes it varies enormously between women and some women's periods return much sooner than others. However on average a woman won't have periods for 6-12 months if exclusively breastfeeding so its unlikely for her to have babies close together.

Fertility is complex but it seems that better nutrition is playing a part in women being more fertile. As we all know the age of the onset of periods is getting younger and younger. I am not suggesting that fat women are more fertile but certainly if you are underweight then you are less likely to be fertile.

Also women's idea of 'exclusive' breastfeeding can vary. Exclusive means absolutely no formula, water or even dummies. All it can take is for you to perhaps go out for awhile, express some milk into a bottle and miss a feed (it can only take 4 hours) and this is enough to disrupt the surpressing hormone to prevent you ovulating and the next thing is your periods start. Exclusive means practically having your baby glued to you day and night. Not something that a lot of modern women do and I am not suggesting that they should but it was perhaps traditionally the norm for women to just take their babies with them everywhere or wear them on a sling and this allowed more opportunties for baby to pop on and off the breast.

Here is an excerpt from K Dettwyler again ....

"There is a chapter in Breastfeeding: Biocultural Perspectives on "Breastfeeding, Fertility and Maternal Conditon," by Peter Ellison. He is an anthropologist and head of the anthropology department at Harvard University. This chapter takes a historical look at the research that has been done on understanding the links between breastfeeding and fertility, from the earliest days up to 1993, when he finished his chapter ...

Here's my brief synopsis of his thorough chapter. Suckling by the baby causes the mother's pituitary to release prolactin. It used to be thought that prolactin directly affected ovulation/fertility, but new research suggests that there is another hormone intermediate between prolactin and the ovaries. So that high levels of prolactin lead to either high or low levels of this other factor, which then affects fertility. Fertility is not an "either/or" sort of phenomenon. Post-partum, a woman does not ovulate for a while, even if she isn't breastfeeding. If she is breastfeeding frequently enough to keep her prolactin levels above her individual critical threshhold for fertility (and women vary in this threshhold) then her fertility is suppressed.

The greatest level of suppression is not ovulating, but as your prolactin levels go up, your fertility will gradually return. First you will ovulate, but not have the proper hormone levels for fertilization; then you will ovulate and fertilization may occur, but you still may not have the proper hormone levels for implantation; finally, you may ovulate, be fertilized, and implant, but not have the proper hormone levels for continuing the pregnancy, so you have a very early miscarriage, probably along the lines of minutes or hours after implantation, so you wouldn't know you had been pregnant. It is also possible to ovulate without having the right hormonal levels in the right combinations for the uterus to have been preparing for implantation, so yes, it is possible to ovulate without menstruating. For all of these stages, there seems to be incredible individual variation between women. Some women get pregnant again the first time they ovulate, with no intervening menstrual periods. I knew a woman in Indiana years ago who had three children in six years with no menstrual periods! Her doctor couldn't figure out when to predict her due date

OK I am probably the last one to post now as I will have bored everyone silly

mandyc66 · 26/07/2005 17:00

my babies were exclusivly breast fed I dont consider they were glued to me night and day!!!

mandyc66 · 26/07/2005 17:07

just remembered (not releveny) but a friend of mu=ine read a book about a women who expressed milk..forever as it helped maintain her figure or something and the milk was used in cooking etc!!!!!
not going to ask what you think to that!!!!

spidermama · 26/07/2005 17:45

Hi mandy, Ameriscot and eulalia. Just catching up with this thread (turning into a full time job!).
Great to hear your stories of feeding into and beyond toddlerhood. I honestly don't understand why anyone would want to stop. (Unless for work or because of problems).

Some of those who have only fed small babies seem to be assuming that toddlers feed like small babies, taking the same length of time, the same amount of energy and with the same regularity.

This isn't the case. It's like a natural extension of a cuddle, with the added bonus of bit of nutrition. It's not such a big deal as feeding a newborn. It's far quicker and more efficient.

Also I fed throughout pregnancy and tandem fed, for well over a year, with no problems at all. In fact I really believe it helped dd1 to adjust to the arrival of her brother when she was 15 months old.

nooka · 26/07/2005 22:41

Woahhh Mandy,
Now that is really gross! Breastmilk is disgustingly sweet, what would it do to the recipie! In mine own opinion, of course...

spidermama · 26/07/2005 23:13

Wouldn't be great in a macaroni cheese but I would've thought it would go down a treat in rice pudding.

bobbybob · 27/07/2005 01:46

I've made ds rice pudding with expressed milk. It tastes nice doesn't need sugar - needs gallons of EBM though!

WigWamBam · 27/07/2005 08:32

I used to cook with expressed milk as well; and yes, one of the things I made was macaroni cheese. It wasn't for me to eat so I didn't have to worry about the sweet taste, and dd was used to the taste of breastmilk so enjoyed it.

Nothing "gross" about it at all - human milk used for cooking a small human's food.

bobbybob · 27/07/2005 09:35

Oh and PIL had EBM in a cup of tea, but in my defence I was very tired that day and he should have been making me a tea!

Caligula · 27/07/2005 10:10

pmsl bobbybob! Did PIL ever find out?

bobbybob · 27/07/2005 10:18

Surprisingly I never told them!

I was just happy I hadn't given ds cows milk.

read in the paper today that it is World Breastfeeding week next week. It will be my 3rd one whilst feeding and I only have one child. Sadly I have to work during the massed feeding, but maybe my FIL can go instead!

mandyc66 · 27/07/2005 10:54

I'd love to keep my weight down but I think this is extreme!! Plus this women in the book was cooking for all the family!!! Yuk!!! (imo!!!!!!!!!)
Had a nursery manager once who wouldnt touch ebm..didnt want contact with other people bodily fluids!!! well that another thread!!!!!

spidermama · 27/07/2005 11:34

My dh won't taste it. I tease him and say he's uptight.

mandyc66 · 27/07/2005 16:28

well sometimes it cant be helped can it?!;)

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