Haiti - F*****g Nestle is at it already.

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here now what can I do about it?

i don't feel embarrased. i read the link in the op and thought "oh good, babies won't die". people then addressed posts to me and i felt obliged to reply, i shouldn't have let myself get drawn into a debate i don't know enough about.

also i am too tired to take in the information in the links, ds had me awake the whole night last night, i will read them when my brain is less foggy.

and as for laughing at me skidoodles post couldn't have been more condescending and mocking.

Here, Gabrielle Palmer explains it herself!

F**king Nestle.

And thats not mentioning the water supplies they ravage to fill all those bottles of lovely sparkly spring water, and the villages and ecosystems buggered up by the decimation of said water supply.

great link greenmonkies

They are damned if they do and damned if they don't to be honest and I speak as a member of Baby Milk Action.

From what I understand Plumpy'nut (crap name and what is the apostrophe all about?) is a real Godsend I situation where people particularly children, are malnourished, is it does not require water for reconstitution.

Not sure from what age it is suitable though. 9 months?

Changing the subject slightly, and following on from Moondog, I was reading a site the other day about a company in Haiti producing a product just like that Plumpy Nut, called Medika mamba here, and it looked fantastic (local peanuts, local workforce, for local kids), but I was wondering what effect farming peanuts has on deforestation, which seems to be one of the major problems in Haiti.

Now off to read all about breastfeeding in crises/relactating/Nestle...

Meant to add re: deforestation, maybe one of you well-informed women can tell me about that?

They are offering humanitarian aid. Much needed humanitarian aid. They are offering much needed clean water and a life line to people who are absolutely desperate. I have NO problem at all with that.

Now I understand the Nestle formula thing, and yes I've read the links.

But nestle don't just do infant formula do they? And that's not all they're sending - supligen isn't aimed at babies is it?

I guess as someone else has said - they're damned if they do - because they'r promoting their formula etc etc, damned if they don't - why isn't a huge company like there's doing anything to help?

There are several ways a massive company like Nestle can help - if their food aid does not include infant formula then there is no problem. Infant formula in disaster situations should be distributed according to the internationally-agreed protocols which safeguard infant health.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that Nestle should be prevented from donating at all.

I totally agree with you tiktok

And money...no one would object if Nestle donated hard currency.

Nope Babies even better, arent they doing that already i think. The people would i am sure be grateful for any aid whether it came from Nestle or where ever.

I just heard the news reports on the radio and the situation is really dire, so what if its Nestle donating food or water to people who need it, sorry for the cliche but every little helps imo like Tiktok has said if their food aid does not include infant formula and that formula in disaster situations should be controlled

I'm fascinated by the relactation thing. I fed two babies easily (lucky me) had a prem and spent months on domperidone as well as several other things trying to get my supply up to feed her. I can't imagine being able to relactate for her children I know it can be possible but on that scale?

Exactly, Riven.

I also wonder about relactation after a long period of time.
Aren't we told not to miss a feed and best not to mix feed as it will affect supply. Also to try to avoid being stressed as that would affect supply to.
I can't help feeling that in the stressful situation that is life in the disaster area even people who could relactate under normal circumstances would find it hugely difficult at the moment.

i think some people get such tunnel vision over their pet loves/hates that they can't see the wider picture. this thread is a good example of that. a company has offered aid in a dire situation and its a bad thing?

riven, i agree, that was the post that really wound me up too.

Oh for goodness sake....people are getting 'wound up' about people with 'tunnel vision'....

No need.

No one objects to Nestle or other big companies offering aid. This is a good thing.

Any formula, from Nestle or anyone else, needs to be distributed according to the protocols which protect infant health in the short and long term.

There is an irony in Nestle distributing bottled water - but desperate people need it, in the absence of anything else, and no one sensible would prevent this.

Stress does not affect milk supply - big myth. Relactation is possible, and mothers may need support and instruction on how to do it - this can be supplied, and aid agencies often have specialists to enable this to happen.

Is that clear?

Jee-zus!

tiktok - are you reading the same thread as me?

no one objects to nestle offering aid - the thread is called fucking nestle are at it again, and the first post says what can i do about it(relating to a link showing the aid being offered) the second says it depressing - that sounds like objection to me.

nancy - I read it differently. I think the posters have almost all stated that the problem is not with offering aid generally but with Formula being distributed irresponsibly.
Surely it is better for a grandmother to relactate and be able to offer an indefinite milk supply then for formula to be given and then the family (or whoever) have to bear the cost once the aid has gone.

nancy - Nestle say on their own site they are sending milk. Milk may well include formula milk, and it is almost certainly powdered milk. Nestle (and other manufacturers) have a long history of sending formula into disaster zones.

If people here are objecting to any aid coming from Nestle, then I would not agree...though I'd remind them that there is never any such thing as a free lunch and all donations, from wherever, should be carefully and fairly distributed, not end up on black market, and not be allowed to be a marketing ploy.

Grandmother to re-lactate? Seriously? If she's lucky enough to have been pulled out alive, now she needs to re-lactate because you don't like nestle?

So Nestle should instead be running an add campaign telling DGM's to re-lactate and not send in food and water? Is that it?
FFS!

I'm off...