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Infant feeding

Get advice and support with infant feeding from other users here.

I know breast feeding is the best -blar de blar - but I HATE it.

103 replies

edgarcat · 20/04/2003 10:48

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codswallop · 24/06/2003 17:19

sorry it hurt till 6 weeks with me. agony every time (three kids)

Bobbins · 24/06/2003 17:25

I found the frirst few weeks of breastfeeding a far worse pain than labour. A much more prolonged pain. At least I was prepared for the labour. I'm glad I managed it though and I do not regret my painful persistence. I'm not usually a martyr to pain.

Bobbins · 24/06/2003 17:28

Going to say it again. I could have killed the three individual midwives that said if it was hurting "I wasn't doing it right". and the indignity of them examining our "latch on".....bugger off!!! I have never felt so patronised.

codswallop · 24/06/2003 17:41

as i did my labour breathing!

pupuce · 24/06/2003 19:54

100% agree with Tiktok.... seems like positioning is an issue... if baby is not well latched on

  1. it hurts
  2. breastfeed can last hours
  3. baby may never feel satisfied and you feel he isn't getting enough

This is SUCH a common problem which can easily be fixed WHY BUT WHY do women not call the FREE breastfeeding helplines?????? Or go to a BF clinic.... all these things are free ! Or get a lactation consultant if that suits you more - but please get it fixed and it can be the beginning of a fab experience - ask Jasper ! She's been there!!!

codswallop · 24/06/2003 20:28

I was told that systemic thrush - which I seem to have can make your skin crack easily - eg feet and therefor thrush will make your nipples crack and bleed etc. My little chap was a fantastic feeder from birth but it hurt!

SueW · 24/06/2003 21:08

pupuce, I can tell you exactly why I didn't pick up the phone in spite of having a baby that fed for hours on end, a totally lacerated nipple (a complete bloody mess), excruciating pain every time DD latched on and having resorted to feeding through shields: Because I didn't want to invite yet another stranger into my life having already been poked and prodded by various midwives, health visitors, doctors, etc. Having had advice poured onto me by everyone who touched my life during those early days.

Invite someone else in who supposedly knows what they are doing? There came a time when I knew I had to do it alone or give up, so I withdrew and dug in my heels. I didn't trust anyone any longer - I didn't care how good their credentials - every other person who was supposed to help had let me down.

I know differently now but I still remember how it felt back then. And FWIW, if I had had the reaction that I did have when I finally picked up the phone four months later to call a breastfeeding counsellor, I probably wouldn't have picked it up again. Thank goodness there are Breastfeeding Lines such as NCT which have duty counsellors now who are prepared to take calls whilst on duty and you don't find you're being a nuisance.

jasper · 24/06/2003 21:12

Happyspider congratulations on your new baby.

Please don't feel guilty for hating breastfeeding.

Have you seen this thread ?

I too hated breastfeeding at first and got the most wonderful support here as well as in real life. My baby is now 15m and we are still going strong with breastfeeding.
Good luck!

codswallop · 24/06/2003 21:13

J you were held out to me as an example when I (as edgarcat) started this thread. Now look at me - super lactater!

princesspeahead · 24/06/2003 21:18

breastfeeding both of my two was a nightmare for about a billion different reasons. hoping this time will be better (memo to self, on no account get readmitted to hospital on day milk comes in. again.)

but if not, nice to know I have the advice of SuperLactator (do you wear a wonder woman-esque outfit?) and others!

codswallop · 24/06/2003 21:21

need to give you my tips as i only did 2 days with ds2

willow2 · 24/06/2003 23:42

Sorry, but IMO it is boxxxxks that breastfeeding only hurts if you are doing it "wrong". Admittedly it took a while to establish bf with ds but once he actually woke up to the fact that he needed to eat and latched on properly, it still took several weeks for my boobs to stop hurting. (And this was despite the help of every midwife in SW London and a bf counsellor who all seemed convinced that he was correctly positioned) And friends on their second or third child have also found it extremely painful in the early days. (Frankly, I'd bet that if you sucked any remotely sensitive part of your body for any length of time it would become uncomfortable until the area toughened up a bit - not to say that my nips are like hard hats or anything.)

Have to say am beginning to think the "it shouldn't hurt if you are doing it properly" line is just another way to try to get women to stick with it - along with the "it will help you loose weight" myth. Yeah, sure it will but for the fact that you are so crazed with hunger you'd happily eat your own leg if time allowed. Face it, the vanilla slices in Kew Retail park's Mothercare World Cafe aren't there for the kids, they're the bait on which to hook every lactating mother this side of the Thames.

Should add bf ds for a year - that's an awful lot of vanilla slices.

mears · 24/06/2003 23:57

Codwallop - I heard that! (you actually enjoy it 0.

Happyspider - you must try and get some assistance - don't let problems mount that can then be difficult to overcome. If you do not have enough milk then your baby is probably not feeding efficiently enough - especially since you are still very sore. By 2 weeks it should be improving although there are women who suffer pain for weeks as jasper will tell you.
Have a look at this site for help wth problems in the meantime.
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mears · 25/06/2003 00:00

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This link works - serves me right for not previewing.

bloss · 25/06/2003 01:25

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Bobbins · 25/06/2003 02:34

willow2> agree wholeheartedly. My little boy sucked on my nipples for dear life before my milk came in. There was no blinking fluid there, but by the time the milk flowed the damage was done and the poor little mite was an addict and I was condemned to suffer the constant suckling. As a last desperate resort I had to use nipple shields too. I was determined to get through it and it was more than fine after three weeks. I didn't want "experts" with advice, I needed support and encouragement rather than teaching.

I was in the hospital for six days after my son was born, and went to a bf'ing clinic every day. I really just needed some space and some females who knew ME around, I wanted people who could reassure me that I was not a failure and they were proud of me and ds...instead of criticism and being told I obviously "wasn't doing it right"

PAH

I went on to breastfeed for six months and mix feed a further three months.

Bobbins · 25/06/2003 02:48

I felt cut off from the world too whilst I was bf'ing, I felt like I was in some kind of purdah. I loved my son, so I put up with it, but it was humiliating to have to ask if it was permissable to get my boobs out in, for example a chinese retaurant. This is nothing to do with the act of bf'ing, of course, it is a cultural thing.

I still think of my boobs more as sexual things rather than providers of milk. For those three weeks though they were purely lobes of agony. I wondered why women so many women made such fuss about labouring, when this prolonged agony seemed far worse...I thought I wouldn't get past it, and it was not what I had expected.

SueW · 25/06/2003 07:30

Bobbins, I'm curious - why did you feel you had to ask if it was okay to feed your baby in a restaurant?

codswallop · 25/06/2003 07:36

Bloss - LOl sorry to let you doown. If you had asked me at 6 weeks when my boobs looked like a horor film I would have agrred. Now I am just busty!!

Mears - i know I know. I love his cheeky little smile as he breaks for a breather.

I have spent 3 3 years being self conscious of my bust(which is only slightly above average) and I cant be bothered anymore. My motto re. al fresco feeding is that if I cant see them no one else can - t shirts hide them.

kaz33 · 25/06/2003 08:27

Happyspider - I am just coming through my own breastfeeding trauma as you can see from the thread "inspiration required".

What you are experiencing is totally normal and I agree I think a lot of the stress of a new baby is the stress of breastfeeding. The part i found the toughest is not knowing whether I was doing it right and the concern that baby wasn't getting enough. Once I was sure that he was latched on properly the pain was a lot more dealable.

As you can see I am mixed feeding - the temptation is to just go for bottle feeding as i did last time. But there are other solutions.

Other than that how is it going ? I count the days up to that magic three month mark ( when it does get easier ). I'm on Day 26 !!

tiktok · 25/06/2003 13:46

There is a lot we don't know about pain and breastfeeding. It is, I agree, patronising to say 'if it hurts you aren't doing it right' but what if we turn it around so instead of saying that, it comes out as ''ok, you're telling me breastfeeding hurts; lets see if we can fix it so it doesn't'. Please - have I to stop saying that to women, in case they start getting cross with me?

I know that in a very small number of cases, breastfeeding hurts and there is no cure except time. But I have been a breastfeeding counsellor for a long time, and (almost) every woman I see can, with the right support and info, feed with either no pain or less pain. I really don't think they are lying to me, or that I have some sort of hold on them so they say what they think I want to hear. I don't touch them, I don't touch their babies, but I do listen to what they are telling me, and I do look at what their baby is doing and what they are doing.

I hear and see many women who have been told their baby is feeding well, and there is nothing that can be done. It is so not true in almost every case.

The truly patronising thing, IMHO, is to tell women 'you can't be doing it right' and then just leave them to it! Or to tell them they are 'doing it right' and they should just put up with the pain as it is meant to hurt.

It has nothing to do with the inevitability of pain resulting from constant sucking on a sensitive part of the body - the pain usually results from the tongue compressing the nipple against the roof of the mouth. This is a way of getting milk out the breast, but it is not the most effective and it is the most painful.

Just as feet shouldn't hurt when they're used for walking unless you wear ill-fitting shoes or tread on sharp surfaces....breasts and nipples shouldn't hurt when they're used for feeding

Northerner · 25/06/2003 15:30

If it's making you really unhappy then stop. It's probably a really unpopular answer, but surely the best way to a happy baby is a happy mummy. That's what I think anyway. To say breastfeeding is the most natural thing in the world I found it really difficult and came to dread feeding time. Once I switched to bottle feeding I was more relaxed and enjoyed the whole feeding process alot more.

tiktok · 25/06/2003 15:46

Northerner, it's not always as simple as that. Many women have very mixed feelings about stopping breastfeeding, even if they are in pain and don't like it at all. I have heard from many women who have given bottles with tears rolling down their faces. They feel sad and disappointed, and they are not happy bottle feeders at all.

Northerner · 25/06/2003 16:07

Good point tiktok, hadn't really thought of it like that.

willow2 · 25/06/2003 16:22

tiktok - wasn't trying to take away from the good that you do, just feel that sometimes, with all the help in the world, it still hurts for a while.