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Annabel Karmel wants people to post questions to Clare Byam- Cook - dare you!

262 replies

RubyBlueberry · 15/04/2009 19:20

Have been on AK forum for a while (twas good for baby food recipes) and today she has sent everybody messages asking to post BF questions ... to Clare Byam Cook .... DOUBLE DARE YOU!!

Look here this page

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KingCanuteIAm · 21/04/2009 12:44

That sounds like it makes sense tiktok.

I wonder if they have hidden the thread away in a secret location only non-mners can get to?

coochicoo · 21/04/2009 12:45

Me neither...

KingCanuteIAm · 21/04/2009 12:45

he whole site seems to have gone

elkiedee · 21/04/2009 12:46

I think I've thought of a sincere question to post but the other forum seems to have crashed again. I guess my disguise attempt wasn't very good, llb. I've been wondering how you spotted my presence and username on there as I haven't posted, but I've just worked it out, it's one of those sites that shows who's logged on at the bottom, isn't it?

coochicoo · 21/04/2009 12:49

What was your question Elkie?

foxytocin · 21/04/2009 12:50

they need rid of those ginormous photies and tickers to release some bandwith to allow more peeps to view all at once.

elkiedee · 21/04/2009 12:50

Whoever thought an argument about feeding could be such fun? (Certainly not me, given my difficulties in this area).

mistlethrush · 21/04/2009 12:51

I couldn't get the link to work either... However I am and at some of the quotes that I've seen on here! I think that I followed different advice on absolutely every matter mentioned, and exclusively fed a large and 'hungry' baby sucessfully, only stopping bf at 22mo, despite being back at work pt from 6mo.

If people expect to be able to follow this advice its not surprising that some babies end up back in hospital with dehydration.

Tiktok - I think your explanation about why closed mouth nose to nipple is best is great.

Does anyone know what her qualifications are to be giving this sort of advice?

elkiedee · 21/04/2009 12:53

No that wasn't my question by the way, cross post there. It's a question for CBC but I'll have to write it down for myself and have another go at getting it on there first. Time to go to Baby and Me group, see whoever's on here later.

mummyfuss · 21/04/2009 12:54

I couldn't not come and say hello. You may know me from somewhere else with a similar name (someone else uses my other name) from somewhere else.....
Anyway - hello :-)

KingCanuteIAm · 21/04/2009 12:55

I think that is the point Mistlethrush, I don't think she has any official qualifictions as such.

I do agree with Tiktok a bit on this though, being qualified does not make you right and being unqualified does not make you wrong. It is the quality of the advice that is important, in this case it seems that we have a lack of quality and qualification...

KingCanuteIAm · 21/04/2009 12:56

Hi mummyfuss, welcome to mumsnet.

Any luck getting your questions answered?

KingCanuteIAm · 21/04/2009 12:56
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Alibabaandthe40nappies · 21/04/2009 13:09

I am at some of those quotes from CBC.

Hello mummyfuss

tiktok · 21/04/2009 13:12

Honestly, I still think the important thing is being supervised (not literally - not someone hanging over your shoulder or listening in to every call) no matter how long you have been doing it. Supervision means sharing your experiences and doubts etc etc with your supervisor and getting another perspective o your work. It also implies a wider organisation with quality control concerns.

I once totally f*d up a call - I mean the woman cried because of what I said to her and how I said it. What can I say? I ain't perfect. I needed my superviser to talk it through. I fessed up. God knows if the woman complained - if she had, I would have been contacted and told, and the woman would have learnt what had happened to me (only a little light water-boarding and a chinese burn or two - nothing too life-threatening )

CBC relies on the market I think - word of mouth gets her clients a lot of the time, so clearly she is meeting some people's needs some of the time. But to me, that's not good enough.

MiniMarmite · 21/04/2009 13:18

Tiktok - thanks for your info about the nose to nipple advice. The main reason I turned to the CBC book and DVD was that before I gave birth I found the nose to nipple advice given by our NCT bf counsellor so utterly confusing, whereas I could imagine feeding my baby with him resting on a pillow facing my nipple directly.

In the end though it was that same NCT counsellor who managed to get DS and me to find a way to get a relatively comfortable latch (given that my nipples were both bleeding at that point), still using the cushion and facing nipple approach.

It is impossible to say in this situation whether the CBC method helped or hindered. In some ways I feel it gave me the confidence to start but on the other hand (and as someone said to me on another thread) it might just be that I would have persisted and, with the bf counsellors help, got the hang of it in the end anyway.

Stretch · 21/04/2009 13:19

So, the link doesn't work at all now? Before, it had just crashed I think, as it started working again this morning.

The nipple to nose thing worked for me too, but that was DD2 who didn't open her mouth very wide, if at all! I was told to prize her mouth open firmly, but gently, It did work but I always wondered whether it was good advice or not?
I was scared of putting my nipple in her mouth as it was so sore, so needed to see that she had her mouth wide open!!

Of course, then my lovely MW bought me some free sachets of Lansinoh!!

foxytocin · 21/04/2009 13:21

one thing i find shocking is how disparaging some of those quotes are but they are placed in the context of folk wisdom or common sense.

yes, it is not about qualifications, it is about seeing a range of good experiences, seeing a range of difficulties and building a repertoire of solutions to be able to address most of them. It is about having a network of support to gain feedback from when we meet difficulties which we are struggling to solve. It is also having humility to know we are not the font of all knowledge and therefore be willing to keep learning. And without publicly treating with disdain other people who have taken the time to reflect on and build their knowledge and experience.

blueshoes · 21/04/2009 13:56

Amen to that, foxy.

elkiedee · 21/04/2009 15:44

AK site is working again, but the thread has shrunk...

blueshoes · 21/04/2009 15:55

elkiedie, you are right! 6 pages has been reduced to just 2 and Fussymum's posts with AK's link to our thread and all the lively comments thereafter have been removed.

And all this despite Fussymum's prediction that her pointed comment would be removed followed by assurance from the AK moderator that it would stay because Fussymum is entitled to her view. Now we know that is all tosh of course.

Beware - active censorship at work on the AK site.

tiktok · 21/04/2009 15:59

No - be fair....the posts are there, just in a different thread. The 'Questions' thread has been stickied, and the other posts are in the thread below. Now censorship!

tiktok · 21/04/2009 16:00

Doh....I mean not censorship!

elkiedee · 21/04/2009 16:05

Thanks Tiktok, you obviously looked harder than me. It's probably quite sensible to separate out the questions from the debate.

blueshoes · 21/04/2009 18:12

You are right, tiktok. The discussion continues to grow. Well done, fussymum and almondeyes, whoever you are