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Who is Clare Byam Cook and do you consider this to be dodgy breastfeeding advice?

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chequersmate · 12/04/2009 20:27

Just reading an article in Mother and Baby magazine about a woman who considers herself to be a 'breastfeeding failure'(her words).

Her newbown was juandiced and under UV and m/w's made her top him up, but she carried on breastfeeding.

She says that the baby would: "latch on easily and feed for up to an hour...but...he would cry hysterically for two or three hours at a time...by week three we suspected the problem was hunger...he would root frantically, searching for milk the second he came off my breast."

My DD was very much like this (also topped up at a young age as a 'solution' to severe weight loss. All the advice I got (mostly from wonderful mnetters) was just to feed, feed, feed. My DD did just that - feeding with short breaks often for 3/4 hour periods.

Anyway the reason this article seemed odd to me is because the (poor) mother then goes on to say: "I made an appt with a breastfeeding counsellor, Clare Byam-Cook. Her diagnoses was that the baby was latching on well but he wasn't sucking properly. The result was my breasts weren't receiving the 'message' to produce more, so my milk suply was lagging. Even then the baby seemed to be lacking the strength - or knack - to drain milk from my breast.

Were he an animal, Clare explained, he would be considered the 'runt' of the litter. In nature, a farmer would...hand-rear it. With a bottle. And that, she said gently, was what I'd need to do with my baby."

Does that sound like normal breastfeeding counsellor advice to you? I'm shocked by it, but don't know if that is what is normally suggested by bfc's in these situations.

(well done to anyone who get's through this post - realise it is long but wanted to quote it correctly!)

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mawbroon · 12/04/2009 20:29

Have a search in the archives under her name.

That's all I'm saying.

chequersmate · 12/04/2009 20:30

Ah.

Thanks mawbroon.

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Alibabaandthe40bunnies · 12/04/2009 20:32

That does sound very strange.

I thought that the only reason that runts were hand-reared was that they got overpowered by their stronger litter mates and so didn't get a chance at the food. Clearly this isn't applicable with humans.
I may have that wrong.

Also - if the baby can latch but can't suck why would a bottle be any better than a boob?

I really worry when I hear about things like this, women get so much mis-information about BFing, it is very sad.

LuluisgoingtobeanAunty · 12/04/2009 20:33

she is associated with Gina ford, i believe.

chequersmate · 12/04/2009 20:35

Lulu, OMG, did not know that.

Explains a lot

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RhinestoneCowgirl · 12/04/2009 20:36

DS had a similar start to bf - but was only 'topped up' with EBM, under lights for 24 hrs (as advised by hospital staff). Definitely not the runt of the litter, ended up bf for 2 yrs and now weighs about 40lb at not quite 3 yrs old.

I believe Ms Byam-Cook charges for her bf 'advice'...

chequersmate · 12/04/2009 20:39

The article also says:

"when a friend announced she could express enough milk to fill a bottle in just a few minutes, I was utterly crestfallen. It took me a good 20 minutes to express three ounces.!

Would have thought a breastfeeding counsellor would have explained to her that the amount you can express is not necessarily indicative of the amount of milk you have.

It's made me a bit cross actually, this article. Half tempted to write in.

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IlanaK · 12/04/2009 20:40

SHe is not a breastfeeding counsellor in the sense that she is not trained by one of the 4 breastfeeding organisations that run helplines and train counsellors. However, the term "breastfeeding counsellor" is not protected and anyone can call themselves that. She is well thought of among celebrity London mums generally.

I am a breastfeeding counsellor (trained by the ABM) and regularly take calls on our helpline from London mums who have had her "advice". If her "advice" was accurate, they wouldn't need to call us I would think

charliegal · 12/04/2009 20:41

That is so sad. Fancy persuading a mother to believe her new baby is a 'runt' (erm...what litter?).

She is not a qualified bfc and seems to actively despise breast feeding and breast feeding mothers.

chequersmate · 12/04/2009 20:50

It is sad.

I think I'm going to write in.

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RhinestoneCowgirl · 12/04/2009 20:54

Oh do write in chequers - that 'advice' is misleading at best and nasty and undermining of bf.

DS got admitted to hosp at 5 days old as his weight loss and jaundice was causing concern. Bottles/formula were never even mentioned.

doulalc · 12/04/2009 21:01

Ultimately baby does need to eat, but there are several feeding alternatives to use instead of a bottle. Even if a bottle becomes desired or necessary, there are techniques to make it easier for baby to still establish a productive breastfeeding relationship and the majority of the time decrease the need for a bottle at all.

In one regard she is correct....some babies will have a good latch but a poor sucking pattern and they simply will not move the milk efficiently enough to receive adequate nutrient and caloric needs. This is one of the things to look for when you have poor weight gain. However, it does not automatically require bottle feedings.

Sadly, the mother felt she was a failure and it is unfortunate that many women will feel this way if breastfeeding does not go well. This is why it can be helpful to speak to a few different breastfeeding counselors or well qualified midwives or health visitors. What works for one person, may not work for someone else as there are different techniques that can usually be tried for different situations that may arrise.

AnarchyAunt · 12/04/2009 21:01

Oh gawd not her again.

Gems of hers include the opinion that BF support is unnecessary, and that some women are just 'duff milkers'

blueshoes · 12/04/2009 21:25

chequers, you might as well take bf-ing advice from gina ford. Same same.

chequersmate · 12/04/2009 22:15

It just worries me that her 'advice' has been reprinted in a national magazine.

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GreenMonkies · 12/04/2009 22:24

She's a fraud, yet seems to be rolled out as a "breastfeeding expert" when ever bf is discussed on the tv etc (Stella on This Morning etc). She has no bf support training, hasn't been registered as a MW for about 20 years and gives unsound and out of date advice. I wish someone would discredit her publicly and then her stupid book would get taken off the shelves in Mothercare etc. I'd ignore any advice from CBC.

CharCharGabor · 12/04/2009 22:30

She is always the bfing expert on tv etc, it baffles me as her advice is mostly nonsense.

blueshoes · 12/04/2009 22:33

What does she look like?

llareggub · 12/04/2009 22:38

Is she the one with dyed blonde hair?

CharCharGabor · 12/04/2009 22:40

Clare Byam Cook Sorry, crap tiny pic!

llareggub · 12/04/2009 22:43

She isn't who I was thinking of. I thought she was the same woman from that programme a year or so back, that had 3 different "experts" promoting 3 different parenting approaches to 3 unsuspecting new parents.

CharCharGabor · 12/04/2009 22:45

Claire Verity was the one on Bringing Up Baby (have just googled).

llareggub · 12/04/2009 22:46

Oh yes, she's the one I was thinking of.

blueshoes · 12/04/2009 22:57

Thanks for the pic, charchar.

llare, you mean Claire Verity?

Another dyed blonde with dubious credentials.

standanddeliver · 13/04/2009 07:54

I just think it shows how little we as a society know about breastfeeding, and how little we truly value it that someone with such dubious credentials is regularly allowed to present herself as an authority on the subject in the media. Can you imagine the BBC allowing someone without a formal training in .... oh, say chiropody or podiatry to be giving advice on foot health? So why is it ok to allow someone with no or little formal training in lactation to be presenting herself as an expert on breastfeeding...?

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