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Who is Clare Byam Cook and do you consider this to be dodgy breastfeeding advice?

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chequersmate · 12/04/2009 20:27

Just reading an article in Mother and Baby magazine about a woman who considers herself to be a 'breastfeeding failure'(her words).

Her newbown was juandiced and under UV and m/w's made her top him up, but she carried on breastfeeding.

She says that the baby would: "latch on easily and feed for up to an hour...but...he would cry hysterically for two or three hours at a time...by week three we suspected the problem was hunger...he would root frantically, searching for milk the second he came off my breast."

My DD was very much like this (also topped up at a young age as a 'solution' to severe weight loss. All the advice I got (mostly from wonderful mnetters) was just to feed, feed, feed. My DD did just that - feeding with short breaks often for 3/4 hour periods.

Anyway the reason this article seemed odd to me is because the (poor) mother then goes on to say: "I made an appt with a breastfeeding counsellor, Clare Byam-Cook. Her diagnoses was that the baby was latching on well but he wasn't sucking properly. The result was my breasts weren't receiving the 'message' to produce more, so my milk suply was lagging. Even then the baby seemed to be lacking the strength - or knack - to drain milk from my breast.

Were he an animal, Clare explained, he would be considered the 'runt' of the litter. In nature, a farmer would...hand-rear it. With a bottle. And that, she said gently, was what I'd need to do with my baby."

Does that sound like normal breastfeeding counsellor advice to you? I'm shocked by it, but don't know if that is what is normally suggested by bfc's in these situations.

(well done to anyone who get's through this post - realise it is long but wanted to quote it correctly!)

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MamaHobgoblin · 14/04/2009 22:17

I think the reason CBC is so ubiquitous at the moment has more to do with lazy journalism than anything else. The same old warhorses get dragged out. Programme researchers can't be bothered to actually find out if these people have proper credentials, but they know that they were on This Morning the other month, so they must be ok!

I have read a few posters on here from time to time say that CBC was the one who finally got them to bf, and I'm just happy for them that things worked out in the end... but sometimes I wonder if bf was going to get better itself anyway, in time, and that CBC was the last person consulted just as this happened. No offence intended, and obviously I don't know individual circumstances, but things often do get better, or 'revert to the mean' given time.

GreenMonkies · 15/04/2009 10:10

Moondog, she's not a dysphagia specialist as far as I know, and quotes the flawed/discredited 1960's research done with disabled children. There's no shutting her up and it's really frustrating!!

elkiedee · 15/04/2009 15:16

GM, do you work with this SALT or is she involved in your child's health care?

Essie3 · 15/04/2009 16:29

Hahaha, can I come in as a farmer? I'm not actually a farmer myself but I come from a family of farmers. I'm bfing, though!

IME 'runts' aren't bottle fed. If you have 200 sheep, you can't bottle feed the smaller of the pair (sheep have twins but very rarely more). And ditto pigs - they come in big litters, and there is usually a runt in each one, but if you have 50 pigs, that's 50 to feed with a bottle. Nope, IME the only animals bottle fed (lambs, say) are ones who don't have mothers. And what do you do with kittens and puppies? You get runts there too. Lots of experience with kittens. You just let the runt get on with it - and they don't normally die. They're often quite resourceful really if a bit on the small side!

I'm bfing a runt. He was 6lb at birth (overdue ) and at 10months is 16lb. Small. Has always fed like a pro, and I've had hyperlactation. Supplementing wouldn't do much for him.

moondog · 15/04/2009 16:53

Who is she mouthing off to GM?
I would be muttering about professional standards and remits myself.

GreenMonkies · 15/04/2009 21:30

Essie, completely agree with you about runts, and I have known cats and sows (and hamsters!!) eat runts if they fade fast. My folks were also sheep farmers and we didn't supplement of bottle feed any "runts", but orphans and triplets which couldn't be fostered to ewes with single lambs were raised on bottled milk. The runt theory, like most of CBC's uttereances, is utter crap.

Moondog, I only know the SALT vaguely, and haven't seen her for ages. She will tell anyone who is listening about the alledged "window of opportunity", anyone!!!!!!!!

moondog · 16/04/2009 08:10

Oh dear.....

elkiedee · 17/04/2009 21:15

Clare Byam-Cook was on Woman's Hour this morning - I missed it, I often listen but this morning we had an appointment with the health visitor. My mum rang to tell me later, as the discussion was on the problems I experienced, and I expressed my doubts.

You can find it on Listen Again, towards the end of the programme.

MacMac123 · 23/04/2009 10:18

Guys what you are saying about Clare Byam Cook is defamatory.

MacMac123 · 23/04/2009 10:19

Also, her job is to help people breast feed -that is what she does. Why do you think she is trying to stop people breastfeeding? Its overreacting.

tiktok · 23/04/2009 10:50

MacMac, I think you're right to remind posters to take care when commenting on real identifiable people, but (while not being a lawyer) I don't see anything defamatory here...this thread's a week old and no warnings have come from MumsNet Towers, so it's all likely to be ok.

I think it's highly unlikely that CBC tries, in general, to stop people bf - is there some suggestion here that she does? Now that would probably be defamatory. I've had a quick skim of the thread and I only see an extract from a published article indirectly quoting CBC, saying the baby in the situation needed bottles.

What bits of the thread are worrying, MacMac?

I'd hate to see Mumsnet caught out with a legal action, as well!

foxytocin · 23/04/2009 10:53

MacMac. How do you know that what is being said is defamatory?

If you think it is, click in the red exclamation mark at the side of a post to report it. Mumsnet hq takes accusations defamation seriously.

foxytocin · 23/04/2009 10:55

no one says she stops people from bfing. the are saying that a lot about her attitudes, statements and 'advice' undermines breastfeeding.

chequersmate · 24/04/2009 21:36

THanks tiktok and foxy. Defnitely not defamatory - I took care to copy it word for word from the article after the she-who-cannot-be-named-scandal. Take it up with Mother and Baby magazine if you don't like it macmac.

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