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Could somebody please explain to me why the promotion of FF would be such a bad thing?

157 replies

conniedescending · 02/05/2008 17:04

because as long as they don't say or imply its better than BF then I can't really see the problem? Or why we have to get hysterical about how other people feed their babies?

maybe if FF was made out to be not such a bad thing then there would be more mothers actually bf'ing for longer and with subsequent children as they could be supported by mixed feeding their children.

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WilfSell · 02/05/2008 22:11

i absolutely share your sentiments expat about the difficulties of BF with the other pressures of motherhood and family/household.

I have 3 kids and have often had to neglect one or other because of some parenting compromise.

Women on later children don't often get the support new mothers do to sustain BF eg from professionals, partners, wider family.

And it is not easy to just go off to a quiet room to BF which is sometimes what is needed to keep it going.

It's a shame though that formula is often seen as the solution by supporters rather than the actually quite sensible things you propose! Which might help women BF for longer.

Ledodgy · 02/05/2008 22:16

norway has it right

bluewolf · 02/05/2008 22:21

why is it "embarassing to bring out the feeding bottle" though??

Ledodgy · 02/05/2008 22:22

God knows! Lol

Ledodgy · 02/05/2008 22:23

oh just read it it's becausw bf is seen as the norm.

wonderstuff · 02/05/2008 22:28

Expat this is not about whether you decide to ff, no one is saying that everyone must always bf or be made to feel bad, we are saying formula advertising should be banned, thats a different issue, not ban formula, ban advertising

milkgoddessmakesthefinestmilk · 02/05/2008 22:32

i think if we got full pay on mat leave for 52 weeks, bf rates would go up up up and away !!

and, it would probably save the country, more money in the long run anyway.

wonderstuff · 02/05/2008 22:33

Wow imagine being able to work and bf!

Dalrymps · 02/05/2008 22:34

The ad that starts off looking like an ad for breastfeeding is for Aptamil. It doesn't say so in so amny words but it basically implies that Aptamil has the same protective qualities as breastmilk . I saw it on tv when the sound was off and that was still the message that came across from the 'blue glow' radiating from the baby. Very clever. Very annoying.

bluewolf · 02/05/2008 22:34

so no one interested in the doll idea then? I have a dd of 7 months and when or if she wants a baby doll would you reccomend I remove the toy bottle and encourage her to mime feeding the doll like in Norway or what?
(by the way I'm still bfing so ds (5years) wont be as confused as he sees me feed her all the time)

K999 · 02/05/2008 22:34

Am not sure what difference that would make tbh. It is illegal to advertise tobacco but people still smoke. Their choice. And many young people start smoking every year. Okay, so tobacco is not a good example health wise but my point is that banning advertising prob wont make that much of a difference. I did not choose to ff because of advertising. I switched because it was available. Tbh I cant really even remember adverts about formula. banning advertising wont make formula disappear.

wonderstuff · 02/05/2008 23:07

I'm not sure on the doll thing blue, agree on normalising bottle feeding thing, but little girls don't have boobs do they? Wonder if little girls mime bf in Norway? K999 yes people still smoke, but wouldn't more people smoke if tabacco companies could do whatever advertising they like? The companies would try to encourage it if they could. If advertising didn't make any difference the companies wouldn't waste there money on it, it does work and formula companies are at the moment using advertising that is promoting ff over bf and bf rates in this country could be higher. Finally no one is saying formula should disappear, but that we should be able to make informed choices and that formula advertising is obstructing this

tiktok · 02/05/2008 23:20

K999 - the issue is not to make formula 'disappear'. The issue is not to do with whether you, K999, decide to use formula or not. The issue is a question of ethical marketing of a product whose use affects child health.

I am, frankly, at a loss as to how to help people begin to understand that it is not about their use of formula or whatever made them decide whether to breastfeed or not.

Too often, it's like having a debate with a five-year-old - an especially self-centred one, like the ones who still think the world revolves around them and what they want to do.

K999 · 02/05/2008 23:23

But, how does it affect their health? My dd would have starved if it had not been for formula so it did her health the world of good.

tiktok · 02/05/2008 23:25

K999 - no one wants babies to starve. Clearly, if a baby is not being breastfed, the baby needs formula.

If you want to know more about the health effects of infant feeding, out 'risks of formula feeding' into google, or read the mumsnet archives.

WilfSell · 02/05/2008 23:25

K999 the point is that public bodies have to make decisions based on the needs of the public - ie individuals in aggregate, not just your or my daughter or son.

So they have to look at what impact overall BF or FF has... And if there's a difference in health outcomes, then it is their job to react and create policies that change that.

This is what it means to have a public health policy.

harpsichordcarrier · 02/05/2008 23:27

here is a very brief summary of the more significant, recent studies of the risks of formula, as compile by UNICEF

K999 · 02/05/2008 23:28

My baby was breastfed but I was advised to switch her onto formula. I am aware of public health issues but if formula were so bad then why is it still on sale? This is the bit that I dont understand?

verylittlecarrot · 02/05/2008 23:31

K999

You should pop over to the other thread where that exact question is answered.

sabire · 02/05/2008 23:31

"i know how to support bfing: pay for childcare for a woman's other children when she's on her own and needs to cluster feed!"

Expat - can't comment on your particular situation (which I'm sure I remember you saying is very difficult) but I know this much: that I and the vast majority the bf mums I know locally have neither money, time, energy nor help around the house, but we still managed to establish breastfeeding and live normal family lives. And no - this isn't about being 'superior', it's just a fact. Women who come from cultures where breastfeeding is the norm generally manage to establish breastfeeding while living normal family lives.

I went back to work part time when my first was 5 weeks old. I returned to work part time weeks after my third was born. I am the laziest and most knackered person I know. I honestly cannot see how, apart from for a couple of short weeks at the very beginning of my children's lives when I was still physically recovering from their births and when I was breastfeeding very frequently, bottlefeeding would have made life easier for me. I had no one else around to do the feeds for me and as my husband works full time in a demanding job I'd feel bad about asking him to get up in the night to do bottlefeeds. And thinking back - apart from the first week after each birth, which I mostly spent on the sofa because I bled pretty heavily initially, I was still able to do the school run, even while coping with bf a newborn.

I suspect that half the problem people have with establishing breastfeeding in this country isn't that they're too busy to do it - it's that they have 'technical' problems with breastfeeding caused by poor breastfeeding management in hospital and by poor care from mw's in the week or so after the birth, and this makes things ten time harder than it should be. And of course if you're experiencing painful, dysfunctional breastfeeding and trying to cope with other children then you're going to struggle.

I appreciate that there are people who feel they can't cope and I can't argue with that, but I do think it's worth pointing out that there are lots of ordinary women, leading ordinary lives, who aren't 'supermums', who don't have lots of energy/time/help, and who have large families/work outside the home who DO manage to breastfeed and who don't see it as a big issue.

I just think the view that breastfeeding is only feasible for women with small families and loads of support needs to be challenged because it's simply not true. Yes - support makes a difference, but then support makes a difference to ALL new mums, breastfeeding OR formula feeding. The really intense time with bf only lasts a short time and most people muddle through - they just do. And then they reap the rewards later on, because once breastfeeding is established and babies are feeding less frequently there's no doubt that for most people it's easier than ff. There's also the consideration that bf babies as a group get sick less often and less seriously, and I don't know how other people feel, but I know that the thing that is most disruptive to my family life is children being ill. Anything that minimises this is good for me, good for my baby and good for the rest of the family.

juuule · 02/05/2008 23:31

Mine all mimed bfing their dolls, teddies etc
Boys included. They just stuck them up their jumpers and said 'shhh, I'm feeding (dolly,teddy,etc)'.

K999 · 02/05/2008 23:33

thanks VeryLittleCarrot..but I am way too knackered to discuss this on another thread!!! Am off to bed now ladies...nice chatting with you............

LaComtesse · 02/05/2008 23:34

I was told by a mw that Aptamil was the closest milk to bf so that was the one I began to use when my milk stopped flowing early one day (it did come back but irreguarly). I don't know about the ingredients in it - I assume it was safe to drink! but my milk didn't look anything like the ff when it was made up - I compared them. I wish I'd had a bf support network to contace since I knew using ff would make things worse but my baby was hungry .

tiktok · 02/05/2008 23:35

K999 - the reason formula is allowed to be sold is that it is the only feasible alternative to breastfeeding...it would make no sense to take it off the shelves, as what would happen to the babies whose mothers do not/cannot/choose not to breastfeed?

LaComtesse · 02/05/2008 23:38

And fwiw, when I was a little girl, I played at bf-ing my dolls since my Mum had bf all four of us and in fact had no idea how to make up a bottle of ff until my dd was born - she was always rather scornful of parents who ff their babies.