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Breast Feeding on Coronation Street - Negative ?

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Oblomov · 28/02/2008 08:47

Did anyone see it last night. Shaun talking about his new baby and Violet breast feeding ?
I admit I wasn't paying total attention, so may have missed bits, but it seemed really negative.
Same old, same old. When are we going to have a postive storyline ?

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hunkermunker · 28/02/2008 23:55

You're assuming I'm talking about soaps directly influencing new mums' feeding decisions.

I'm not. I'm talking about normalising bf and making it the obvious first choice feeding decision - not just for mums, but for the wider society whose comments will impact on those new mums. It's the drip-drip effect that's currently so in favour of bottlefeeding - I'd like the pendulum to swing the other way.

Interesting article here

Another one - "Media representations of breastfeeding are no better. A recently published study of the UK media found that breastfeeding was usually either invisible or negatively represented. Breastfeeding is portrayed as a socially marginal activity, unlike bottle feeding which is socially integrated into everyday scenes.

Breastfeeding is rarely shown on television, whereas representations of bottle feeding are common. Within the one month TV sample examined for this study there was just one scene which showed a baby being put to the breast and 9 of a breast pump (not in use). By contrast, there were 170 scenes which showed babies' bottles, formula preparation or bottle-feeding.4

This study also found that babies' bottles have become a routine and iconic way of visually representing babyhood and preparing formula milk is used to symbolise positive male involvement. For example, an advertisement for whisky shows a man wearing a dressing gown and preparing formula. The strap line is 'What have you been doing while Bells whisky has been maturing?' Breastfeeding, by contrast, is portrayed as a slightly abnormal activity and sometimes used to characterise particular types of women e.g. 'hippies' or middle class 'earth mothers'.5

This research also found that bottle feeding was usually represented as problem-free, whereas breastfeeding was seen as fraught with difficulties.

Scrutiny of both the press and television sample identified only one reference to potential difficulties associated with bottle-feeding (the 'hassle' of bottle washing) but 42 references to difficulties attributed to breastfeeding (sore nipples, 'saggy' breasts, sleepless nights). Most of these references suggest no ways in which such problems might be alleviated.

The study also found that routine mass media coverage rarely acknowledged the health implications of formula milk compared to breast milk. In the entire months sample there was only one, oblique, reference to any potential disadvantages of formula feeding on television and one newspaper report which questioned the safety of genetically modified ingredients in a particular brand. The health benefits of breast milk were not mentioned.6

Overall then, the media do not promote the idea that breastfeeding can be a positive act and experience.

However, there are some media representations which might help to challenge this marginalisation of breastfeeding. Several of the British soap operas have recently taken up the issue. Brookside, a drama series set in a Liverpool community and shown at peak time and attracting large audiences, ran a storyline about breastfeeding last year. One episode portrayed a businesswoman challenging objections to her breastfeeding in public. Her colleagues stood up for her right to do so and the complainant, rather than she, was asked to leave the café bar. Most intriguing of all is the way breastfeeding features in comedy programmes. Some of this humour exploits and reinforces ideas about the shame of leaking breasts, the 'disgusting' nature of breast milk or male double-standards about 'boobs'. However some representations are more reflective or even subversive. The American sitcom 'Roseanne' (very popular on British television) showed a character breastfeeding as she took her marriage vows. At the words 'You may kiss the bride', she declared 'just let me change sides' and moved the baby to her other breast."

gigglewitch · 28/02/2008 23:55

oblomov, it varies between areas, in my area bf is a dismal 17% at 1 month after birth. The national average of 80% who like the idea of bf but either change their minds or try a couple of times and give up through lack of support or whatever, should be addressed and the power of soaps should be used to show that yes, it can be hard, but like most 'hard' stuff it is rewarding too.
Am off to find a [nocturnal] repeat of corrie!!

hunkermunker · 28/02/2008 23:56

SM, they do have the predisposition - didn't you see me say how many women want to bf when pg?

verylittlecarrot · 29/02/2008 00:01

By scottishmummy on Thu 28-Feb-08 23:51:15
if they had the predisposition, cannot create that disposition, or usurp a belief

So

If most of the UK population were of the predisposed opinion that formula feeding was more normal / convenient / easier

or of the opinion that bf excludes dads / is weird / difficult / inappropriate in public

Then a soap might reinforce that opinion.

Can you concede a 'yes' to that, SM? I'm trying to follow your argument through to it's natural conclusion.

scottishmummy · 29/02/2008 00:03

yes, volition is the wishful component. actual reasons for mode of feeding actually chosen are complex

again i reiterate
class
age
socio-economics
peer
much more pertinent than Media or TV ownership

we are both familiar with socio-demographics,
NICE, DoH, UN et al guidelines

hunkermunker · 29/02/2008 00:06

Thank you for telling me about the reasons that lie behind feeding choice, SM...

hunkermunker · 29/02/2008 00:07

Are you actually reading my posts?

scottishmummy · 29/02/2008 00:08

i said a predisposition may cause a person to consider a course of action

scottishmummy · 29/02/2008 00:10

yes are you breading mine hunker?Oh can i not discuss my knowledge base- only your understanding of reasons for bf?hokey cokey

righty off to bed -working tomorrow

scottishmummy · 29/02/2008 00:11

yes are you reading mine hunker?Oh can i not discuss my knowledge base- only your understanding of reasons for bf?hokey cokey

righty off to bed -working tomorrow

verylittlecarrot · 29/02/2008 00:17

SM, I have a slight background in marketing and advertising, so I might share some of your knowledge base, I don't know. But I'm surprised at your conclusions. The mechanics of influence and perception are not as cut and dried as you seem to think...

hunkermunker · 29/02/2008 00:22

Yes, I'm reading yours.

They aren't answering mine though - just saying the same thing over and over, which is why I thought you might not be reading mine.

However, I suspect you won't change your mind on this and I also suspect that everyone else agrees with me so I'm going to bed too

scottishmummy · 29/02/2008 08:38

blimey!go massage you already huge ego since everyone agrees with you Princess Humnker dont let me and a difference of opinion keep you from the sychophantic masses and mutual agreement that is your world

scottishmummy · 29/02/2008 08:50

the 5 a day campaign has failed to meet its target objective eg increase overall fruit consumption

Earlier research has shown that there is high awareness among people that five portions was the recommended amount for a healthy lifestyle. But some people chose not to follow an example of despite health promotion and media campaign people do what they want, not necessarily what the govt/media tell them

the media is not pernicious and all pervasive.it can not necessarily influence behaviours

tiktok · 29/02/2008 09:14

The media - including soaps- can reflect social attitudes and judgements, of course it can (being written, directed, commissioned, edited by real people who are aware of and who may share these attitudes).

There is a choice to be made every time about which attitudes to reflect, and, traditionally, in a soap, the choice is made to ensure that a murderer gets caught and punished (eventually - even if it's for another murder qv Janine in EastEnders), an adulterer gets found out, a cheat and a liar is exposed, and our moral attitudes to life are reflected in that. It also makes for a more effective drama.

Sometimes, soaps make a deliberate choice to nurture social attitudes, so you'll get (for instance) a story about a Downs child, played by an actor with Downs (and there is a growing number of 'disability' stories, all of which nurture a positive, non-discriminatory attitude). I think we have seen the same happen with issues about racial discrimination, or acceptance of people with different sexualities.

Over time, this 'nurturing' may well contribute to a change towards different issues - not to the extent that individuals make their own, conscious choices in their own lives as a result of one incident, but in a more general, subtle way.

It's not the same as people emptying the stores of cranberries or non-stick omlette pans because Delia Smith used them (both of which happened). It's more a change in the 'climate', and it can be unpredictable, but it does happen, and soaps and other dramas often make a great deal of being 'responsible' about health and other matters.

This has been studied here, in this overview in the BMJ, which is an interesting read.

It would be preposterous to suggest that a mother breastfeeds/doesn't breastfeed because of what Violet and Sean do and say. But it is equally preposterous to say that what they say and do has no effect at all - on mothers and on the people around them.

tiktok · 29/02/2008 09:19

scottishmummy, you're right about the 5 a day campaign. Health promotion is a bit of a mess - no one really knows what works and what doesn't. There are health promoters who would say the 5 a day campaign is successful because people are aware of it....an essential first step to changing behaviour.

Change like this takes decades - look at smoking and drink driving.

It took about 20 years of breastfeeding support, with changes in training and hospital practice, to make a difference to the breastfeeding statistics in the UK - and tht was just with inititiation.

StealthPolarBear · 29/02/2008 09:21

Surely this is all about social norms? Popular TV shows influence them as much as anything else - if not, what does affect them?

Oblomov · 29/02/2008 09:32

The 5 a day thing may not have met objectives, but it is effective.
Everyone I speak to knows about it. Just because they choose not to follow it, is a different matter. You can't make people do something. But if they are educated, and know about it, they then have the choice.
And thus the choice not to.

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OracleInaCoracle · 29/02/2008 09:36

scottishmummy, I have to say you are being deliberately obtuse here.

and yes, I do fold my tshirts like anthea because i saw in her show a way to do it better.

I cook Jamie oliver and gordon ramsey recipes

and I buy my moisturiser dependant on what works for me. but I am open to trying a new one.

It must be great on your cloud, unaffected by anything you watch!

of course comments on a soap wouldnt actually turn a pro-bfer onto formula, but such comments do nothing to turn the tide of thought!

AitchTwoOh · 29/02/2008 09:38

i know a couple of corrie writers, camp as a row of tents and utterly terrified of real women's breasts. they love a drag artist with big fake bangers (pace Gok), though. who wrote last night's episode, do you know? the whole sensibility is very camp at corrie imo and ime.

OracleInaCoracle · 29/02/2008 09:41

dont know aitch, shall see if i can find it...

OracleInaCoracle · 29/02/2008 09:45

cant find the writers, but i think this is the scene (dont have any speakers on 'puter at the mo)

LittleMissBliss · 29/02/2008 09:46

Scottish- Do you not think that if bf was shown more on t.v in a positive light it would not become more acceptable, the 'norm'?

If we all picked up on the negative implications of that small outburst from Sean and violet i'm sure we where not the only ones.

As you compare it to smoking etc.
People smoked more in the past because it was socially acceptable and didn't realise the health implications. Have you not noticed all the 'stop smoking' adverts on t.v and billboards etc. Are you also saying that these don't help to prevent people from starting smoking as well as helping people to think about quitting?

VictorianSqualor · 29/02/2008 09:49

I didn't watch it, what did he say?
Ws it as bad or worse than Ian Beale complaining about Honey?

LittleMissBliss · 29/02/2008 09:56

Sean said that he couldn't wait for violet to stop bf so that he could be more involved.

His boyfriend commented that he wasn't being very pc.

Violet went on to say how she cant stand how women in caffes 'flopp' out their breats.

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