waht si the differance between the new nightime milk

[babyjjbaby]

i think it is made by cow and gate and just wondered what was differant alsohow do u make up ur bottles do u just put the water in bottles then in fridge and heat it up then put powder in or do u do it differant thanks

Babyjj, people on here are just used to speaking to more experienced older mothers, thats all, dont take it as a slight on you, it really isnt, they dont realise when they see your posts that you are serious and trying to get help.
Maybe create a profile just so people can click it and realise that actually you're a young mother who had no reason to know thses things until now and that you are actually asking for help.
IIRC the same happened with your weaning thread, there was a lot of bollox until peopel realsied your situation and then they were happy to help.

babyjj, some people just assume that you should know what to do. Please don't let negative answers put you off from posting on here as it is better that you ask than not and others can give you good advice. I got some good tips from your thread on what to feed a baby! (And I have a 4yr old)

The new milk prep guidelines are more hassle but it has to be done. When I am out and about of for the odd night feed I use the little cartons.

I don't believe in using hungry baby/night time milk as I don't like the thought of something that is harder for them to digest, even if it does make them sleep longer.

My first daughter was on the first milk for the whole first year then she went on to cows milk.

i don't know whether i will post anymore t obe honest jst not asmuch

Baby, do try the cartons, they'll be much easier for you! You got any family who are helping you?

babyjj, you shouldn't let peoples remarks put you off posting, you need help and advice and it's a great place to get it from, it would be a shame if you stopped posting.

If there is something you want to ask without havign to post a full thread you can always email me fan-fkn-tastic @ hotmail dot co dot uk (not spaces and . not dot) I'd be happy to help if I can.

The cartons are more expensive though so Id keep them for when it really is a faff to make it up fresh.

LadyVictorianSqualor thanks i maY well do that

babyjj - hi there

my friend makes up all the bottles of water in the morning of what her ds normally drinks then just adds the powder when she needs them. that way you don't have to wait 30 mins each times for it to cool down.

although lulumama said they need to be "cooled for 30 minutes to kill any bacteria in the formula" so i'm not sure my friend's way is actually the correct way cos the water is added to cooled boiled water not boiling water and then cooled.

babyjj - don't be put off posting!

Sometimes, people do post on here as a disguised wind-up, and then others think they have spotted the wind-up...hence the sarcy posts

The older way of making up the bottles and then storing them is no longer considered safe. Newer strains of bacteria have been found in powdered formula, and to be really sure of reducing the risk from these, the bottles need to be made up on the spot, as and when...a hassle, I agree. It's not as safe to mix it with boiled water that's been cooled (nappy's idea) because the water needs to be at the right temp to kill the bugs....you can, though, boil the water, and then keep it in a vacuum flask, and mix it with the powder later.

But I don't know what night time formula is, and without knowing what it is, I think people are right to be a bit cynical about it!

it is apparently a follow on milk (from 6 months) and this is what the blurb from the boots website says:

Cow & Gate good night milk is a follow-on milk that's been specially developed to help settle your baby when used as part of their bedtime routine.
As well as being nutritionally balanced, it's thicker than regular follow-on milk and gentle on your baby's tummy, providing a warm, contented and satisfying end to the day. It's been tried, tested and loved by mums - and their babies love it, too!
Cow & Gate good night milk is suitable from 6 months. Serve warm as part of your baby's bedtime routine.

I wouldn't listen to a word an adveritiser or manufacturer says regarding formula milk, better to do some research of your own and find out about it.

you wont find out much about it yet though as it is a new product which in a smaller tub than the others (so probably works out much more expensive)

That advertising blurb is really bobbins, though, isn't it?

It 'helps your baby settle as part of their bedtime routine' - any feed will 'help your baby settle as part of their bedtime routine', and most mothers do feed their babies at this time, breast or formula.

Note: nothing that definitely claims that it ensures a less wakeful baby!

I know, I actually typed out 'LOL' as a reply first but then thoguht it might seem like I was laughing at the poster rather than the blurb.

It's like the special k, may help weightloss as part of a calorie controlled diet' type ads, Isn't it the calorie controlled diet that is the point?

Fucking ridiculous all round.

Ugh, trying to read up on it and research and I keep finding people that are saying their milk wasnt enough for baby so they were advised to change to formula

Please keep posting, babyjj - you've really impressed many people on here with what a brilliant thoughtful mother you are, and at such a young age. I really don't think I could have done what you're doing at your age at all. Some people will misread, be a bit snarky, be having a bad day. You can always start a thread with a few names you know, and who know you and your situation. But do keep on - I think you can be quite an inspiration, and you'll be able to help others too!

thanks everyone i need to go and make some bottles up now so i will put the water in then when i need it heat the water up then put milk in i think

are you still worried you are not doing it the right way ?

is that why you did the face?

yep

babyjj, read tiktok's post at 12.23. she is a very wise woman here on this board.

do you have a flask which will keep the water warm?

.you can, though, boil the water, and then keep it in a vacuum flask, and mix it with the powder later>>

no i haven't got a flask and anyway the bottles only stay sterilised fro 2 hours so that wouldn't work

I rang Cow&Gate and asked them what was in this milk which made it different.

It has rice flakes and potato starch in it, which thickens it and makes it sit in the stomach 'a bit like you having a large pasta dish before bed time' . It's not for babies under 6 mths, and it's not for more than one feed because otherwise it would be 'too heavy' for the baby.

No, it doesn't guarentee a baby will not wake, but 'as part of a bed time routine it may help settle a baby' (they clearly have a consistent script!).

This is a marketing exercise for Cow&Gate, that's for sure, and watch out for other manufacturers bringing out something else that's similar in intent.

'Soother Milk'
'Snoozy Milk'
'Sleepy time Milk'.

They sure as hell won't call it 'Potato and Rice Gloop'.

(all the best to you, babyjj - you've led us down some interesting byways!!)

So its like putting rice into the bottle then? But with a poncey name.

this is from the NHS bottle feeding leaflet:

use fresh tap water to fill the kettle. after it has boiled let the water cool for no more than half an hour. always put the cooled boiled water in the bottle first.

always check the water level is correct.failure to follow the mananfacturer's guidelines may increase the chance of your baby becoming ill

loosely fill the scoop with milk powder and level it off without compacting it. only use one scoop of powder to 30 mls or 1 oz of water.

add teh mill powder to the water.

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shake the bottle until the powder is dissolved.

using formula milk that has been made up and stored may increase the chance of your baby becoming ill.....

if you require a feed for later, keep boiling water in a sealed flask and make up fresh formula milk when needed

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