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European formulas: a mass uncontrolled trial?

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AwayInAMunker · 10/12/2007 09:58

This from the most recent Baby Milk Action Update (No. 40, November 2007).

"Although the revised EU Directive in many ways improves the essential composition of formulas - a reason why so many Member States were keen to adopt it - it also allows other companies to add "other food ingredients, as the case may be." There is no requirement that the ingredients are evaluated by an independent scientific body prior to introduction onto the market - even though the majority of EU member States and the EU's advisory body, the Scientific Committee for Food, called for this safeguard. If manufacturers introduce a new infant formula they only have to submit a label to the authorities - and that is all. There is no notification procedure at all for follow-on milks. To make matters worse, follow-on milks may be able to carry claims which are supported only by research on adults.

Breastmilk substitutes can be the sole source of nutrition during a critical period of rapid growth and development. Minor modifications can have major effects on infant health. The Report of the Scientific Committee on Food, 2003, identifies problems that have occurred with the introduction of modified infant formulae. Examples include reduced protein availability with impairment of growth; trace element deficiency with severe clinical disease; chloride deficiency with long-term neurological damage and thiamine deficiency with severe clinical disease, including neurological damage and several cases of infant death.

The fact that the EU Directive failure to include a rigorous pre-market authorisation plays into the hands of the companies who are prepared to add any ingredient - before its safety has been properly evaluated - simply to gain competitive advantage. This is equivalent to a mass uncontrolled trial."

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PrisonerCellBlockAitch · 14/12/2007 14:13

oh, and i did ff dd as well and it DID make me feel like shit. i'm just pleased there are people like Hunker about, campaigning for better support because perhaps i'd have been okay if i'd not had The Most Useless Support in the world... what did happen to you? tell us... i certainly felt better when i spilled my guts about it on here.

AwayInAMunker · 14/12/2007 14:16

Also, meant to say thank you to those on this thread who DO know what I'm about and defended me there - thank you

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NineBabiesDancing · 14/12/2007 20:10

Hunker, Thanks for posting such an interesting (and scary) article.

VVVExcitedAboutChristmasQV · 14/12/2007 20:40

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NappiesGaloriaInExcelsis · 14/12/2007 22:00

bloody hell, i am deeply disturbed by the info on this thread.

i did bf, but had a bloody hard time of it forst time round and my dp was all for going out and getting formula - i was so tempted tbh, but i just really wanted to bf. had i know all this, i'd have been even more determined.

i did end up weaning onto mush and formula (and off the breast) at about 5m with ds1... and fed all 3 dc with 'follow on' formula from around 6m to a year.

you just assume its rigorously tested and regulated, dont you?

i was struck by a sense of bafflement when first faced with a supermarket aisle full of brands and claims etc. i chose aptimil coz it was most expensive, and therefore likely to be the best how naive and stupid was that??

hunker, i think you do a good and important thing in spreading information like this, thank you.

Beachcomber · 15/12/2007 09:29

Just posting to say what others have said really.

I care, I'm angry about this issue and thank people like hunker and many others who try to improve things.

muppetgirl · 15/12/2007 09:47

sorry if repeating

I have to say reading Hunkers original post I am surprised and I am shocked
But. Then thinking about it, it is really obvious that these formulas haven?t been tested/evaluated in trials with babies as it would not be ethical. Babies cannot give informed consent and even if they could how would you go about it?

?This formula has an ingredient, that this one doesn?t. Let?s give it to the babies and see how they develop?we can then evaluate whether the ingredient is good or bad? of course they wouldn?t do this.

I never knew this and I was a mix feeder leading to f/f with ds1 and a 90/10, b/f f/f with ds2.

As for follow on milks I view them a little like mobile phones, some clever marketing/ideas person identified a need we didn?t have and have now sold us the idea that we cannot live without them.

muppetgirl · 15/12/2007 09:49

dh is now singing at the top of his voice

na nana na na

BREAST MILK!

na nana na na

BREAST MILK!

(to the tune of space pirates)

Beachcomber · 15/12/2007 10:03

Thing is though if they don't test their products effect on real actual babies they shouldn't be allowed to make all the ridiculous claims that they currently use to market their products.

tiktok · 15/12/2007 10:30

But they do test their product on real babies. I posted here or elsewhere on mumsnet how this happens - they recruit real babies and give them formula with ingredient X and compare them to another bunch to whom they give formula without ingredient X, and they compare outcomes....after a short time only. I am astonished that mothers permit their babies to be trialled in this way, but they do.

The limitations of the research lie in the fact that these trials are almost always recruit small numbers, and the fact they tend to only look for one or two outcomes - does this formula affect growth during the time it is given, and what is the effect on the baby's stools or biochemistry, is a typical trial. Many people do not think this is adequate or safe.

In the past there have been disasters with experimental formulas - I mean fatalities and serious disabilties - but the main risk is just that they impair nutrition, but undramatically and not obviously.

muppetgirl · 15/12/2007 11:19

sorry tiktok I stand corrected though during my psychology course it was made clear you couldn't use children in planning your experiments as they couldn't give informed consent.

I would consider entering a trial for myself (people I know are on trials for new breastcancer treatments) but I would never let either of my healthy children take part in unnecessary trials.

Are these women MAD???

tiktok · 15/12/2007 14:26

I imagine they tell the mothers that they will receive free formula for the length of time the study takes, and the mothers agree. They will have to be told 'this formula may have new and untested ingredients in it and we want to see what effect it has on your child'....and yes, astonishingly, this is agreed to. Maybe they give other incentives, like a year's supply of formula and other payment, I don't know.

You can read the tests for yourself - go on PubMed and search on terms like 'formula milk new ingredients' or something similar.

OhGiveUsAPruniPudding · 16/12/2007 09:12

Am gobsmacked that people agree to this! Blimey. I would love to know how it is put to the parents by the representative of the formula company.
Has BMA ever infiltrated a formula company, got one of their activists into a job to spy on them?

AwayInAMunker · 16/12/2007 19:46

Pruni, I would SO love to get a job for one of the formula companies, preferably in marketing.

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dal21 · 13/01/2008 12:09

am at this thread!

surely formula should be more regulated. Sorry very late to this thread, but reading it from link on mixed feeding, which I was considering doing before I read this!

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