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not looking for a row, but has anyone seen the new SMA logo? the one that looks like the mum is bf?

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harpsichordcarrier · 14/04/2007 21:39

here's the logo

you tube clip here

sma site

way to get round the new advertising rules, which forbid them from saying "close to breastmilk" &c
anyone like to complain? I would like them, very much, to have to change their logo and slogan again. especially as they have clearly spent quite a bit of wonga on it.

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hunkermunker · 15/04/2007 23:04

Lissie, they have to put that on boxes by LAW - you can bet they wouldn't if they didn't have to. And I've looked at packs where's it's almost illegible, printed as it is in dark blue on slightly darker blue.

Cazee · 15/04/2007 23:04

lissielou, they have to say that, because it is the law!!! There are strickt rules on ff companies advertising in the UK

TwirlyN · 15/04/2007 23:04

can we let it go yet, have you all complained, those that don't like?

Cazee · 15/04/2007 23:04

x post hunkermunker!

Twinklemegan · 15/04/2007 23:05

Is the crux of this the fact that a mother (parent?) and baby is depicted at all (forgive my ignorance, is that in itself illegal even if stylised?), or that the baby appears to be breastfeeding?

Flamesparrow · 15/04/2007 23:06

Not disagreein its what they intended

Felt like being argumentative (although not as argumentative as the name suggested )

hunkermunker · 15/04/2007 23:06

It's that I know damn well what SMA are about with changing the logo and I can't believe that some people are so naive as to think that they're some caring company that just wants to cuddle babies. They're not!

Pruni · 15/04/2007 23:06

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lissielou · 15/04/2007 23:08
TwirlyN · 15/04/2007 23:09

each to their own, if you don't like it, don't look at it or complain. I only came across this ad tonight, on here! So what happens about all the other ads you don't like. It could be a full-time job, if you want it to be.

Twinklemegan · 15/04/2007 23:09

I still think SMA is crp no matter what their logo looks like. I don't know why I think that really. Actually yes I do - it's Tesco's fault, perhaps they should sue. Tesco seems to have a policy of separating one particular formula brand from the others. At the moment it's C&G but when I was having to choose one it was SMA. So it was separated, the cans are a different shape and it's cheaper. I therefore thought it must be more crp than the others LOL.

harpsichordcarrier · 15/04/2007 23:10

yes it is part of my job.
yes I do want it to be.
If you don't then that's fine.
IO don't really subscribe to the "look away if yu don't like it" school of thought but each to his or her own

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hunkermunker · 15/04/2007 23:11

Lissie, what do you think I'm not agreeing about?

I don't think they should be able to make wild and unsubstantiated claims about formula. Why is that so shocking to you?!

VeniVidiVickiQV · 15/04/2007 23:12

lissie - did you read the links earlier on in the thread about various other statements on their, and other "infant nutrition-based companies" have on their website?

Formula to complement b/feeding? When their disclaimer says mix-feeding can cause problems with milk supply? Its a total crock.

hunkermunker · 15/04/2007 23:13

Harpsi, I was on the phone to DH on 9/11. He was distracted, hadn't seen the news and said "Look, if it's upsetting you, just turn the TV off"

He realised when he actually saw what was happening what a dim thing that was to say.

lissielou · 15/04/2007 23:13

see i tried sma, c&g, farleys, hipp and sma again, ds liked sma best so i stuck with it. my SiL used sma too which is why i tried it first, nothing to do with thinking its as good/close as bm, or pretty logos

hunkermunker · 15/04/2007 23:14

So why are you such an advocate of formula companies being allowed to advertise, Lissie? I don't get what you're saying?

lissielou · 15/04/2007 23:17

im saying that its rarely advertising that makes a woman decide to bf. why shouldnt they advertise? shouldnt baby food companies advertise? what about pampers/huggies? where do you draw the line?

Gobbledigook · 15/04/2007 23:18

"im saying that its rarely advertising that makes a woman decide to bf"

that's very true atch

VeniVidiVickiQV · 15/04/2007 23:22

Really? That statement doesnt fit with the millions of pounds that were invested by the Government towards the promotion of b/feeding by health professionals, and the subsequent increase in b/feeding rates.

LucyJu · 15/04/2007 23:26

For 13 years, Britain, along with 118 other countries and the baby food industry, has supported a World Health Organisation international code of marketing which states: ?In view of the vulnerability of infants in the early months of life and the risks involved in inappropriate feeding practices... the marketing of breast-milk substitutes requires special treatment.? The main tenet of this code is that baby milks, as the sole food of new-borns, have a unique, semi-medicinal role to play, and should not be promoted.

The new law, arising from two EU directives will implement some of the code?s provisions concerning baby milks sold in and exported from the UK. It has been welcomed by health professional bodies, including the BMA and the British Paediatric Association. They are urging the government to extend its proposed advertising ban to follow-on milks, which the new law will permit to be marketed from four months, against UK health advice.

The proposals are causing alarm in the UK baby food industry which, desperate to increase and maintain its £108m market, is claiming that advertising to mothers is an essential avenue of information. Since 1983 there has been only a weak voluntary code in the UK. Unlike the WHO code or the new proposals, it has allowed companies to push £12m of advertising through the health service, targeting mothers when they are most vulnerable. The code has been monitored by an industry-financed committee with no powers of sanction and which in nine years upheld little more than a handful of the hundreds of complaints. In the last few years companies have ignored it completely, advertising direct to mothers in supermarkets and sponsoring TV shows.1

For our beleaguered NHS the controls are long overdue. Bottle-fed babies are twice as likely as breastfed babies to suffer from respiratory infections and five to ten times more likely to suffer from gastroenteritis.2

Problems with bottle feeding are never mentioned in advertising material or labels, neither are the raw ingredients manufacturers use. Few parents are aware that baby milk is cow?s milk and may contain beef fat, maize oil, chicken egg or large amounts of glucose syrup. Yet according to a so-called independent survey, 88 per cent of mothers think that without advertising they will be unable to choose a milk, as if a lack of advertising will prevent products being sold and as if the adverts contain more information than already appears on the tins.

The ?independent? survey was commissioned by Bounty Services, a company that hands out bags of baby goods samples and baby milk adverts to new mothers in hospital. Bounty is funded by advertising revenue and two health authorities have already banned it because the bags? contents counter their health messages.

The Bounty survey implied that since breastfeeding rates have not risen despite ?strict advertising controls?, advertising cannot be the problem. Yet UK breastfeeding rates have fallen as advertising budgets have increased: only 63 per cent of British babies are breastfed at birth and only 53 per cent at one week. The 25 per cent of mothers who breastfeed for four months are the only ones who say that they have ?breastfed for as long as intended?.

One area of promotion that often goes unnoticed is sponsorship and training of health workers. Spending on sponsorship can, according to the Inland Revenue, be offset against a company?s tax liability since the money is spent ?wholly and exclusively for the purpose of trade?. It can be very cost effective. A £2,000 Farley?s sponsorship scheme in one UK hospital, for example, was recouped after only ten mothers chose the Farley?s brand. The hospital lost out after four babies returned with gastroenteritis.

Since the most common reasons for giving up breastfeeding are the easily remedied problems of a perceived lack of milk and sore breasts, it is vital that mothers get the right type of help. Yet 45 per cent of breastfed new-borns in the UK were still being given bottles in hospital in 1990, despite the fact that this practice decreasesmilk production.3

Unsubstantiated claims such as ?closest to breast milk? and ?suitable for the hungry baby?, are all part of the marketing plan. So is the use of the ?breast is best? statement, since breastfeeding mothers who ?fail? after a few weeks spend more money on expensive baby milk than mothers who choose to bottlefeed from day one.

The UK government has set itself a Health of the Nation target to increase breastfeeding rates. Now is the time to show how serious it really is.

References
1 Baby Milk Action reports to the Code Monitoring Committee. 1983-1994.

2 Howie et al. Protective effect of breastfeeding against infection. Br Med J 1990; 300:11-16.

3 Infant Feeding 1990, OPCS.

Baby Milk Action is part of a network of 150 groups in 70 countries working to protect infants from the commercial promotion of bottle feeding. Baby Milk Action, 23 St Andrew?s Street, Cambridge CB2 3AX.

Patti Rundall is co-ordinator of Baby Milk Action

tiktok · 15/04/2007 23:34

So much misunderstanding...lissie, you want formula to be promoted because breastfeeding is already promoted by midwive and other parts of the healthcare system. Why? Just to be fair? To whom? Who benefits from formula promotion? No one argues that formula should not be available to those that need it or want it (and NO NO!!! Not on prescription please! GPs don't have the first clue about infant feeding. Women should be able to buy formula if they want it, at a fair price). There is no need to promote it. Promotion does not inform.

Twinkle - you are saying women are 'daft' for thinking there is equivalence or near equivalence between breast and formula milk....you may think they are 'daft' but does that mean we don't care about them or their babies? I refer again to the MORI survey - a lot of 'daft' women about, it appears.

And lissie, of course breastmilk and formula are in competition - babies have to have one or the other.

There are countries in the world where the WHO code or its very close equivalent is the law. There is no commercial or unethical promotion of formula milk (eg in Scandinavia, but many others, too) and guess what, the sky does not fall in.

It should be possible to have a generic, unbranded formula on sale at a fair price, that allows a company to make a fair profit without doing anything unethical. There are analogies with non-branded pharmaceuticals, or even own-brand household items in supermarkets. Research and development would continue, and health claims would have to be verified before they could be added as extra ingredients.

hunkermunker · 15/04/2007 23:34

Why do they advertise if it has no effect?

Would save them millions if they didn't.

VeniVidiVickiQV · 15/04/2007 23:36

No news yet from Cow and Gate regarding their pretty graph....although it is a sunday....

tiktok · 15/04/2007 23:39

Lissie - you say "I tried sma, c&g, farleys, hipp and sma again, ds liked sma best so i stuck with it. my SiL used sma too which is why i tried it first"

Wouldn't it have been great if you could have discussed your baby's nutritional needs with an informed independent healthcare professional who knew exactly what was in each brand and whether the (possibly small) differences were likely to be significant to your baby, Lissie?

Instead, you worked your way through the brands, starting with one that was familiar to you (which is what a lot of women do - I am not criticising) and trying to work out if your baby had a preference. Hard work.