Read this shocking article about the damaging effects of formula and the immoral practices of the companies who peddle this junk.

[moondog]

From The Ecologist magazine.

Here.....

Grim reading.

No, Jimjams, I certainly shan't "worry about having a difference of opinion".

I do think it was rather odd of you to copy a remark made on a different thread, about a different title under different circumstances, and paste it into an unrelated thread. Particularly given that you felt no need to acknowledge the same remark in its own context, at the time it was posted.

Of course I decide what I do and don't find offensive, and post my views as I choose. We all do - it's a discussion forum. But I haven't the time or inclination to indulge your need for conflict. Try someone else.

I will complain hunkermunker because the facts of that story (baby dies tragically coincidentally after breastfeeding) are not acurrately represented by the healine used by the bbc. Just as the facts of this article (formula milk not as good as breastmilk and never will be) are not accurately represented by the thread title.

lol. but isnt ds2 4 now?

like I said, rock on SMA gold.

I totally agree aviatrix. I also think that there are some mums who are aware of what breastfeeding can entail and think actually that's not for me, and that choice should be fine too.

Indeed he is 4 Misdee. There are some advantages to not being able to go out anywhere respectable (even McD's counts as respectable!) with your kids.

I really couldn't remark on the thread at the time Greensleeves as I had deleted my membership, which means I could not post. I posted them on this thread a) because it did actually completely summarisehow I felt about this thread, which I thought was interesting. and b) because I thought it was interesting that the same argument can be used by 2 different people arguing against each other in different threads. (But that's prob not interesting to anyone not doing discourse analysis). I apologise again if that caused you any distress at all. And I am quite happy for you to request my posts be deleted if indeeed it did.

Believe me I have absolutely no need for conflict in my life. Quite enough daily stresses and strains without manufacturing them myself thanks.

Indeed he is 4 Misdee. There are some advantages to not being able to go out anywhere respectable (even McD's counts as respectable!) with your kids.

I really couldn't remark on the thread at the time Greensleeves as I had deleted my membership, which means I could not post. I posted them on this thread a) because it did actually completely summarisehow I felt about this thread, which I thought was interesting. and b) because I thought it was interesting that the same argument can be used by 2 different people arguing against each other in different threads. (But that's prob not interesting to anyone not doing discourse analysis). I apologise again if that caused you any distress at all. And I am quite happy for you to request my posts be deleted if indeeed it did.

Believe me I have absolutely no need for conflict in my life. Quite enough daily stresses and strains without manufacturing them myself thanks.

Haven't read this thread and won't, but just wanted to say that for someone like myself, who once wanted quite honestly to die with guilt, shame and, yes, grief because I couldn't bfeed dd1 that this type of thing can be so damaging and might just tip someone over the edge.

Am bloody glad I'm ff ds even though I loved bfeeding dd2.

No, I'm not distressed. I'm more than happy for your posts to stay where they are

Couldn't care less how "grim" you think bottlefeeding is moondog, it would have been far more grim to let my dd starve to death as I could not breastfeed longer than 7 weeks due to mastitus. I had to go into hospital for 4 days and had no choice but to let my milk go.

No point me reading you precious Ecologist artical as my daughter is 14 months old and weaned now and the healthiest child you ever saw.

Take your comments and go jump.

Good. Shake hands? Because my disagreement here is with Moondog's provocative posting, not with you. Seriously I do have enough stress in my life without getting into a barney with someone I'm never likely to meet (although I think we live close to each other, now there's a thought, you'll hear us before you see us though)

Oh and you can agree to disagree with me without having to agree that Moondog's posting was provocative. iyswim.

where did moondog say botf'ding is 'grim'?
how rude!

(stupidly, i couldnt resist checking where this thread had got to!)

Yes, I think we do live fairly close

And I do think this thread's title was a tad OTT!

f'cking helll, what a load of shite. Moondog at your posting this. Shame on you

Hoorah.

m'wah m'wah.

I think that there's a valuable and important message that's got lost in this thread.

I believe that pregnant women have the right to have more facts about the milk they'll be feeding their babies.

Just that - facts.

I would also like to see proper (ie not industry-funded) research done into the ingredients in formula.

Then I would like paid breastfeeding counsellors on every maternity ward, supporting women to breastfeed and I would like all midwives and health visitors to understand the biology of breastfeeding and how best to support women to continue.

How you do this without women who choose not to breastfeed complaining that the "breast is best" message is being rammed down their throat, I'm not sure. But perhaps we'd have breastfeeding rates of Scandinavian levels and there wouldn't be many women who chose not to do it and everyone who wanted to would be supported to do so?

I give birth DS wont latch on. I take colostrum off with a frigging teaspoon.

Then two days later, I go into heart failure and I have to put him on formula as the drugs will/could kill him........ tell me Moondog what would you do ??

sher, dont get upset.
i was getting like u earlier.
ds was poorly and consultant told me if we dont give him formula now he will be so ill and dehydrated he may suffer brain damage.
i quickly grabbed the teat and rammed it in.
i know exactly how u feel and so do all the rest of us who wanted to but couldnt.
just ignore them and know that you did what was best for yours.

x

LGJ, a teaspoon is a great idea for colostrum.

As for your "choice" - there wasn't one for you, and DS is an amazing chap and you must not feel guilty. He'd rather have you as his mum, warm to cuddle and vibrant, than be visiting your graveside, sweetheart. PLEASE don't upset yourself about it - or I shall get upset for you.

Thanks 1 + 1

Hunker

Sat here crying at your lovely post.

Will have stopped by Friday, I promise.

Amen hunkermunker!

(OMG twice in one week )

This will simply run and run. I think compassion and understanding that each situation is individual is key here.