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Educate me: why would you not want your baby to have the colostrum if no medical reason?

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RainbowsFriend · 21/04/2013 18:22

Just found out that a couple of my social circle are not attempting breastfeeding second time around, but will be going for bottles from day one. No medical problems/issues, just said it would be easier to have bottles and a toddler than breastfeed.

I didn't want to pry, and I respect their choice of course, but I'm really curious why you would not even express the colostrum to give your child - I thought it was soooo important for the immune system.

I admit I'm a bit biased as I still bfeed DD 22 months, and do use it as a parenting tool to a certain extent. We massively struggled at first as DD had a missed tongue tie that wasn't picked up til 5 months, so I know what it's like to have pain and struggle, and I remember from when our toddlers were little that these mums had to give up fairly quickly first time around and know how difficult it was. But why not express a bit of colostrum?

So please let me know so I can understand better?

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Dahlen · 22/04/2013 15:22

I BF both mine (DD on expressed as couldn't latch). One of my friends FF immediately and wouldn't even consider initial feeding (whether by breast or expressing). She was sexually abused as a teenager and the thought of any manipulation of her breasts simply made her feel too uncomfortable. I think that's a valid reason, and given the horrifying numbers of sexually abused children out there, may account for a surprising number of women choosing to reject BFing. Combine that with a society that sees breasts firstly as something sexual and only secondly as a means of providing nourishment for a child, and I think it's surprising that we have so many women BFing really.

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jellybeans · 22/04/2013 16:05

Hmm about the floppy white tits!

' Plus i didnt want my dp to feel funny about my boobs if our son had been there. In my opinion my boobs are there for sexual reasons only for me and my dp.'

i think the above is why some don't even try as they believe breasts are purely sexual. I didn't feel totally ok with it with DD1 but just wanted to do what was best for her not myself/DH. I also can see further past that and not just what this society constantly pushes upon us.

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Tallyra · 22/04/2013 16:31

I would just like to add my support to OP. I saw the thread title and came on in to read about the benefits of feeding colostrum or not feeding it. It was a perfectly innocent question where she expressed ignorance. Leave off the insulted tones, she just wanted an answer either way.

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VisualiseAHorse · 22/04/2013 16:31

I wouldn't express colostrum as it would be soul-destroyingly slow. Much easier for baby to take it straight from the breast.

Much easier for you and your baby. Not for everyone.

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VisualiseAHorse · 22/04/2013 16:36

I'd be surprised if a hospital was supportive of expressing colostrum (rather than BF directly) if the baby wasn't in NICU/SCBU.

I was advised to - healthy baby just wouldn't latch, so I was told to express in order to keep my supply going for when I did eventually get him to latch.

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TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 22/04/2013 17:04

Sorry, Horse - my post should have included "or other medical reason" re the hospital support.

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AmberLeaf · 22/04/2013 17:51

wannabe two wrongs don't make a right.

You forgot to say some breastfeeding mums also. They don't all attack FF mums, same as not everyone things the same as Hubba.

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wannabedomesticgoddess · 22/04/2013 18:00

Perhaps not, but its quite hypocritical for those who fail to accept that its every womans choice to get offended when someone questions their choice.

This thread us questioning the choice made by non bfeeding women, but ffeeding women are not allowed to question it back?

Oh and I think that it goes without saying that its not everyone.

I couldnt give a shiny shit how people feed their babies. But when some women choose to act superior to me I will speak up.

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AmberLeaf · 22/04/2013 18:07

Of course it's fine to question back, but Hubba took it to the extreme, for which she has apologised so I'll leave it there.

I agree that people should just get on with their own choices and not worry about anyone else.

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Dannilion · 22/04/2013 18:30

Yes, attack.

Can't think of a complete stranger commenting on my 'floppy white tits' and how I chase DD with a fishing net or whatever ridiculously ignorant comment Hubba came out with as anything other than that.



Obviously wasn't having a pop at any feeding choice was I. Here, have a Biscuit to go with the chip on your shoulder.

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harverina · 22/04/2013 19:03

Plus the op wasn't asking why women chose not to bf she was asking why mums who chose to ff don't consider expressing colostrum!!!!

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LauraPashley · 22/04/2013 19:17

" In my opinion my boobs are there for sexual reasons only for me and my dp."

Hubba what a load of utter nonsense. I was initially angry at your post now I just feel sorry for you.

The risks of formula are just not well enough publicized I don't think. If people still choose to ff after being fully informed, well, that's up to them. But I think they should have the full info.

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SirBoobAlot · 22/04/2013 20:11

Hubba I can't even find the words to state how ridiculous your post is.

Today I encouraged a new young mum to feed without a corner to hide in for the first time. She has every right to do so, but it is people like you, with views and attitudes like yours, that make people worried about doing it.

You don't want people judging you for formula feeding? Fine. But that does not give you the opportunity to be a completely arse about it.

And actually, if you feel so overly sexualised that you cannot possibly see breasts as having two purposes, then I feel incredibly sorry for you.

On another note, sagging breasts is not related to breastfeeding. It's related to the way your skin changes during pregnancy, genetics, and aging.

I hope you have incredibly saggy boobs one day :)

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RainbowsFriend · 22/04/2013 21:08

I really really wasn't "judging" people who chose to formula feed- or even asking why people choose to formula feed - as people have said there are many reasons. I'm sorry if people were offended by what they thought I was asking.

I was asking why people who choose to formula feed (their choice etc, and YES I DO RESPECT IT) - why don't they express a bit of colostrum, or feed for a few days so the baby gets the colostrum.

Which was answered in the first few posts - it's hard to express colostrum, and is harder to stop breastfeeding if you do start even if for a few days. Consider me educated on that.

Fine and great, so can we all go back to supporting and respecting each others decisions on how we feed our kids please?

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NeoMaxiZoomDweebie · 22/04/2013 21:33

SirBoob that is a disgusting thing to say. Perhaps Hubba expressed badly, that she can';t separate her breasts from sex...that's not ridiculous it is a perfectly valic way for a woman to feel...you are ridiculous for assuming ALL women are able to do this. Especially given that we live in a society which sexualises women from the age of fucking 3 onwards.

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whatsoever · 22/04/2013 21:44

I expressed colostrum for my DS (he was sleepy & would not feed for 2 days so was syringe fed colostrum & cup fed formula on day 2) and I definitely wouldn't have gone through tht if I intended to ff - it was difficult, time consuming & stressful.

I'm still bf at 6 months so it was the right thing to do for us but I think if you intend to ff for whatever reason, it's much easier/even dare i say more sensible to do it from feed 1. Stimulating the breasts for a few days will cause agonising engorgement otherwise. Mine was bad enough & I was bf, so at least had feeding to take the edge off.

I very much support a woman's right to choose how they feed. It's quite depressing when women attack other women for choosing the opposite choice to them. I hope anyone who feels ill/uncomfortable seeing babies fed by other breast or bottle appreciates that that is their problem & not the problem of the bf or ff mother/baby they are observing.

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LauraPashley · 22/04/2013 23:13

Would people not consider the discomfort of letting their milk go away or whatever worth it though? All the things you'd do for your child, why not that?

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SomethingOnce · 22/04/2013 23:18

Hubba, I assumed you were trolling until you apologised.

That post was the most ridiculous I've ever read on MN. I would've been offended if it wasn't so absurd.

I feel a bit sorry for you that lose it so easily.

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SomethingOnce · 22/04/2013 23:19

that you lose it

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breatheslowly · 22/04/2013 23:29

It is not a universally accepted truth that colostrum and BF are that important. Some people genuinely review the information available and conclude that for a child in a more developed country with careful formula preparation the differences are so vanishingly small that they are not important. I am one of those people.

There are many things I do for my child. I prioritise for both of us, so there are other things I don't do. For example we read to her, we talk to her, I try to cuddle her as often as she asks, I co-slept for both of us Wink but don't any more, we fed her on demand, we held her for most of her naps until she was older than most people would consider, we intentionally limited her baths to reduce the risk of eczema and have never used sodium lauryl sulphate in a shampoo, body wash or bubble bath and didn't use anything except water in baths until about 6 months.

Things I didn't do - I didn't BF her, I didn't put her in cloth nappies (is this for the child or environment?), I didn't prepare all of her food from scratch using organic ingredients, I didn't shield her from all forms of sugar until her 12th birthday, I didn't ban TV.

You pick your parenting choices, some more actively than others and prioritise differently. I don't jump about complaining about the things that other people bathe their children in, even though this is important to me for my DD. I don't muse on MN about why my friends use baby bath products every day with sodium lauryl sulphate in them and then have babies with eczema, even though I have read up on it and have formed an opinion.

I know it can be difficult to accept, but some people just don't believe that BF matters that much.

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Badvoc · 23/04/2013 07:15

Great post breatheslowly.
I think the op and hubba were equally offensive tbh and just show how far we have got to go before we respect others parenting decisions.
When your child is 20/30 no one. NO ONE will give the tiniest crap how you fed them for e first 6-12 maths of their life.
I promise.
It will NEVER come up in conversation!

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midori1999 · 23/04/2013 08:05

!I know it can be difficult to accept, but some people just don't believe that BF matters that much"

You can believe what you like, it doesn't make it true.

I never understand why people get so offended by the opinions of others though, unless it somehow brings out how they already feel about themselves. No one can make you feel bad for your choices if you believe they were right for you. I say that as someone who 'had' to FF my first three children not by choice. Did I believe it was the best thing for my children? No, but I also felt that I had no other option at the time and we can only do our best with the information we have. I am also now 'still' breastfeeding my 22 month old DD whilst pregnant and intend to tandem nurse. I probably flop my 'saggy white tits' out when I feed in public, but I couldn't care less about stupid comments like that because I am quite confident in my decisions.

Although I fail to see how asking a few questions is as offensive as blatant name calling and sterotyping of BF Mum's... I wouldn't be in the slightest bit bothered by a post asking questions about why I choose to BF until self weaning.

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MsElisaDay · 23/04/2013 10:23

The OPs original query and Hubba's offensive, cruel post were in no way comparable.

I also assumed Hubba was trolling until she apologised, as I find it hard to believe that some mothers really do hold such views (breasts for their partner not their baby; breastfeeding mums having "saggy white tits", feeding in public being disgusting etc).

Sir BoobaLot makes a very good point. It is people with views like Hubba's who make breastfeeding mums want to hide away. It took me a long time to feel confident enough to feed in public, and I still find it difficult.
I will find it even more difficult now I know that there are people out there who are looking at me, judging me for my "saggy, white tits."

Honestly, Hubba? Your post made me want to break down and cry.
I don't judge mothers who give their babies bottles in public. I see them every day -it's the cultural norm in this country.
You have no right to judge me, or my (admittedly pale and less than pert) body, or how I choose to feed my child.
The OP was making no such judgements.

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Badvoc · 23/04/2013 10:45

I agree Hubbas attitude stinks, and it's not one I agree with.
Sadly we live in a very sexualised society and many see breasts as having only a sexual use.
But the ops post was offensive - to many - just because it isn't offensive to you doesn't really mean anything does it?

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midori1999 · 23/04/2013 10:50

Badvoc, in what way is asking questions offensive?

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