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Educate me: why would you not want your baby to have the colostrum if no medical reason?

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RainbowsFriend · 21/04/2013 18:22

Just found out that a couple of my social circle are not attempting breastfeeding second time around, but will be going for bottles from day one. No medical problems/issues, just said it would be easier to have bottles and a toddler than breastfeed.

I didn't want to pry, and I respect their choice of course, but I'm really curious why you would not even express the colostrum to give your child - I thought it was soooo important for the immune system.

I admit I'm a bit biased as I still bfeed DD 22 months, and do use it as a parenting tool to a certain extent. We massively struggled at first as DD had a missed tongue tie that wasn't picked up til 5 months, so I know what it's like to have pain and struggle, and I remember from when our toddlers were little that these mums had to give up fairly quickly first time around and know how difficult it was. But why not express a bit of colostrum?

So please let me know so I can understand better?

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EmpireBiscuit · 22/04/2013 08:53

When my mental health and the well being of my baby was under threat I decided that bf wasn't worth it. I feel guilty enough about this decision without threads like this. You don't know me, my baby or my circumstances so pull down your judgy pants...you're getting a wedgie.

Happy mum = happy baby.

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Freddiemisagreatshag · 22/04/2013 08:56

Also (from the OP) be aware that just because they haven't told you there aren't medical issues (eg mental health issues for one) doesn't mean there aren't any.

These people are "in your social circle" so you won't be privy to every single detail of the whys and wherefores of every parenting decision they make (nor should you be)

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EMS23 · 22/04/2013 09:00

Hubbahubba - I am a FF mother and you most definitely do not speak for me. What a horrible post.

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ReallyTired · 22/04/2013 09:04

I am surprised that goodwin's law hasn't yet been evoked on this thread.

I imagine that that there are are as many reasons for not attempting breastfeeding as there are mothers.

I breastfeed both my children to around two years old, but I had a horrific time establishing breastfeeding with ds. I can fully understand why some may well be traumatised by a really bad breastfeeding experience and not want to ever attempt breastfeeding again.

Pumping colustrum is really difficult. I had to pump colustrum for ds and I remember pumping blood.

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HubbaHubbaHubbaInHoobLand · 22/04/2013 09:08

What comment are you referring to as being harsh?

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Freddiemisagreatshag · 22/04/2013 09:09

Hubba - please define proper mumsy and overprotective.

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80QuidYoniJob · 22/04/2013 09:17

Hubba, your post is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on MN. I don't even know what to say.

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HubbaHubbaHubbaInHoobLand · 22/04/2013 09:19

Over protective as though wrapping the lo in bubble wrap and running around after them with an imaginary fishing net in case they fall over on the carpet.........

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Freddiemisagreatshag · 22/04/2013 09:20

I never did that. But I did BF. Oops there's your stereotype busted.

Now define "proper mumsy" please.

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HubbaHubbaHubbaInHoobLand · 22/04/2013 09:20

80quid - doubt it is

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Fairylea · 22/04/2013 09:24

Hubba I formula fed my children from birth and your post doesn't apply to me either. I couldn't care less if a woman breastfeeds in public. I think all women should be able to feed however they like wherever they like without judgement. I'd hate anyone reading this to think formula feeders are all as judgemental as you, most of us like most breastfeeding mums just don't care and just want mums to feed and enjoy their babies.

Also.. I'm a formula feeding mum and I use cloth nappies! So not sure how I fit into your stereotype..... !

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80QuidYoniJob · 22/04/2013 09:24

Trust me Hubba, it really is. Your ignorance amazes me.

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Dannilion · 22/04/2013 09:29

Hubba, your attack on women who choose to feed their kids a different way from you is so ridiculous I can't even begin to dignify it with an appropriate response.

OP, my mum says she didn't even try to BF because she didn't want her parents to see her boobs. Fair enough. I was fully FF and am strong as an ox. DD is EBF and it's been bloody hard going, before she was born I read way too many books and definitely judged people who didn't BF. Now I've seen just how difficult and emotive it is I totally understand why people chose to FF, I probabably would have myself if I hadn't spent so much money on nursing clothes.

Oh and FWIW, my boobs are tanned and perky Wink

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HubbaHubbaHubbaInHoobLand · 22/04/2013 09:32

Perhaps i am lashing out cause i get so annoyed with bf mums not understanding mums who ff. The op knew this thread would get controversial opinions!! I do not like to be thought of that i do not care enough for my lo that i wouldnt give them the colostrum. The fact that my baby would not feed for the first three days anyway meant even if i wanted to bf i wouldnt have been able to.

Sorry for offending anyone. It just got my heckles up and i just lashed out.

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harverina · 22/04/2013 09:41

The op didn't ask why people chose not to breastfeed. It asked why those who chose to ff don't express colostrum due to the health benefits.

I bf dd and when she would not feed in the early days I hand expressed colostrum and fed this to her in a small cup or syringe. It was not difficult to express the colostrum, but it was a very slow process with tiny amounts - although this is normal.

Hubba your post is extremely judgemental and narrow minded. I bf my dd until she was 2.5 years. I do not consider myself to be over protective and do not look different to my friends who chose to ff. I did what I felt was best for my baby. The risks associated with formula feeding made me want to breastfeed - I had an open mind with bottles and doula ready if it didn't work out. My hope was to breastfeed due to all the research which suggests that formula feeding was not best for my baby. Has I not been able to bf my dd would have been ff.

And of course normal people would not be able to tell a bf baby apart from a ff baby in most cases - that's a ridiculous point. The benefits are internal - though ff babies are more at risk of being overweight.

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harverina · 22/04/2013 09:43

Oh and hubba apart from the fact that I didn't want to express for feeding in public (why should I?) - there are actually reasons for not doing this.

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Nicolaeus · 22/04/2013 09:50

IMO there is a difference between trying and finding it excruciating (mentally and/or physically) and deciding before the birth of DC1 (only DC1 cos with DC2+ your experience with DC1 will influence you) that you will not even try to BF.

I live in a country with very low BF rates. The ante natal classes focused very much on just keeping an open mind, ie not categorically saying no to BF before the birth.

I was surpised at a colleague telling me she didnt even try to BF but that her DC took 'days' to learn to bottle feed. But her choice. Not something I really understand but none of my business either. I was slightly curious but didnt ask why - far too personal question and she doesnt need to justify it to me!

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AmberLeaf · 22/04/2013 11:04

Perhaps i am lashing out cause i get so annoyed with bf mums not understanding mums who ff

Can't really lump people together like that, not every BF Mother is judgy about FF mothers.

Being critical from either side is not on, but you have apologised, so no need to have a go at you any further.

I started off BF my first baby, I really wanted to, but we did have a hard time of it for various reasons that I don't feel the need to justify and I switched to FF after a relatively short time [but he did get my colostrum]

My BF experience with my first baby did influence my choices with my 2nd and 3rd babies and I chose to FF from birth with both of them. I'm so glad that everyone around me accepted that and didn't try to make me feel bad about my choices.

I'm also glad that all happened before I had access to the internet, if Id been on Mumsnet back then Id probably have felt shitty if Id read a thread like this.

I really hate the way women turn on each other over this issue, it isn't helpful and just adds to the pressure IMO.

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BedHanger · 22/04/2013 11:35

Nice post Hubba Hmm.

OP, I'm a long-term feeder and currently tandem feeding a newborn and toddler, so I'm obviously pro-bf'ing.

However, I wanted to respond with two points. First and foremost, as a feminist I believe very strongly in women's bodily autonomy. It's a fundamental belief of mine that a woman must be able to chose what she does with her own body, and that includes the choice not to breastfeed.

Secondly, as someone who has hand expressed and syringe fed colostrum twice (two jaundiced and sleepy babies), I would say it's a fairly difficult and stressful route. Personally I felt the benefits outweighed the negatives, but I was lucky to have excellent family support and can see how someone else would have found it overwhelming. But that's by the by really, as point number one is really the only relevant one!

Rather than looking at why individual women make perfectly rational choices within their own family and social context, we should rather be looking to change our wider breastfeeding culture to be more supportive and positive.

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leedy · 22/04/2013 14:54

Sorry, can't post, too busy whapping out one of my repulsive flabby ruined dugs to ostentatiously feed one of the litter of spoilt brats DP managed to grudgingly beget on me. Even though I took his boobs away and (tried to) push a child out of his very own vagina. While knitting my own lentils and generally letting myself go. eyeroll

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leedy · 22/04/2013 14:56

Also more seriously, I agree with Bedhanger above.

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wannabedomesticgoddess · 22/04/2013 15:07

Its very much a double standard.

Breastfeeding mums can criticise formula users all they like, accuse them of increasing their babys chances of getting Leukaemia, acting shocked and faking disbelief at how anyone could possibly not want to breastfeed. Yet someone gives their judgement of breastfeeders and they are being offensive?

Get real

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DialsMavis · 22/04/2013 15:10

Nobody who is completely happy with their feeding choice would be A) judgy or B) just appallingly cunty about anyone else's choice. I don't think apologising for saying nasty things about other women and their bodies does make it O.K as its obviously what you think. What a way to make new mothers feel good about themselves.

I mix fed both of my DC to varying extents depending on what suited me best each time, so I couldn't really give a toss what anyone else does. But, I hated feeding in public because of people like YOU.

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wannabedomesticgoddess · 22/04/2013 15:11

Hubba, your attack on women who choose to feed their kids a different way from you is so ridiculous I can't even begin to dignify it with an appropriate response.

Attack?

I felt attacked by the thread title and the OP.

The OP then tried to make the point that she had an equally traumatic time yet still breastfed.

But thats ok. Because I feed my child formula. I deserve that treatment? Yeah?

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DialsMavis · 22/04/2013 15:12

I am at the front of the queue to criticise people who are awful to those who choose to FF too (only ever seen that on here though, never in RL)

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