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ive been reading the 'contented little baby book' by gina ford and is it me but.........

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jayjaybaby · 20/04/2006 20:10

hi im considering breast feeding and the woman seems to know whats she's on about but im confused about a few things
does she mean establish her routines whilst in the hospital
will i not succeed if i dont have an electric expressor
when she says tart with five minutes at each breast to start with does she mean literally just feed for ten minutes
any advice from you who have tried and suceeded or failed with method i'd love to hear from you as ireally want to everything i can to breast feed
thanksGrin

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PeachyClair · 20/04/2006 20:54

jayjay, it might be an idea to go to an ABM meet up if there is one near you, they wholeheartedly welxome expectant mums and it cn really help you make friends and get your head around BF as a reality rather than just a distant goal.

cod · 20/04/2006 21:26

cant believ you are stil feeding that HUGE dd of yours hc

bubble99 · 20/04/2006 21:27

She must be, what? Eighteen??

bubble99 · 20/04/2006 21:30

Better add a Grin to that.

cod · 20/04/2006 21:32

yes in skinny jeans

why you woudl awant to feed a almsost three year odl id have no idea

cod · 20/04/2006 21:32

no stand proud

bubble99 · 20/04/2006 21:38

OK. I shall lose my inhibitions and emoticons.

bossykate · 20/04/2006 21:57

well i happily used gf's advice and "bestfeeding"...!

agree with the advice that says read around, especially on breastfeeding, and then you will be more confident on which bits of gf (if any) you find congenial and which bits you don't (e.g. for me it was timing on each breast... b/f doesn't need timing you have to follow your baby on that).

bossykate · 20/04/2006 21:58

oh, btw, bestfeeding is a really good book - not for the text, which i found a bit hippy-ish and hard going, but for the numerous pictures showing for e.g. good v. bad latch, how to b/f lying down etc etc.

beartime · 20/04/2006 23:01

Hi JayJay - my baby is almost 6 months and exlusively breastfed and I mostly followed Gina Ford. Her first week thing of waking to feed every 3 hours from 6am till midnight with 5mins etc. was great for me as it helped me not get very engorged at any time because I was feeding regularly. Also I tried what the hospital said of keeping the baby on there as long as he wanted and I got so sore. The 5 min thing is so your nipples can get used to it as they do get sore (even with correct positioning Smile). i know a lot of people don't agree with this, but I found it worked really well. And yes she does mean it literally - for the first day, just 5 mins each side, second day 10, third day 15 etc.

However I REALLY would not recommend following her routine of 2 weeks plus unless you express as she says to, because if you don't express and only feed every four hours your breasts might not get stimulated enough, and baby might not grow properly. I didn;t want to express, so I ended up doing a 3hr feeding routine from 7am till 11 at night (like Baby Whisperer says) until he slept through the night at about 6 wks, and then gradually moved to a four hour routine and onto Gina Ford's timings. If you start with every four hours at the beginning, some babies and mums seem to do OK from what I've heard, but some just don't get their supply stimulated enough and their milk supply drops, and the baby doesn't get enough to eat. Always remember to check signs like lots of wet nappies, yellow poos, gaining weight and if there is any problem, feed more often and scrap the routine!

Also she does mean to establish routines while in hospital with the 5mins the first day etc.

You can def. succeed without an electric expressing machine as I have never touched a breast pump Smile, but what she's saying is if you're going to express every day long term then its easier to keep it up with one of those. The main reason she says to use an expressor is because when a growth spurt comes along, which happens quite a bit in the first 3 months, then normally you would need to feed more often which means the routines go out the window. But if you are expressing then you can simply reduce the amount you express, leaving more milk for the baby and the routines stay in place. To be honest I didn't find it made too much difference scrapping the routines for a few days while I fed him more often.

If you're looking at doing a routine I would go woth baby whisperer for the first two months while using practical tips from GF like nap times and how to wakre them up for the late night feed, and then go onto GF after that.

I found breastfeeding a lot harder than I thought, as there are so many complicated issues, but the main thing is if it looks like the baby is not getting enough, feed him more often.

I hope that helps, if you have any more questions you're welcome to e-mail me - I can post my e-mail address if you want.

harpsichordcarrier · 20/04/2006 23:17

cod you know full well I continue to bf dd1 specifically to piss you off Grin
and let me tell you it was flipping useful last week when she stopped eating because of the chickenpox

jayjaybaby · 21/04/2006 11:30

lol at harpischord by the way what is a abm meeting
i feel a bit thick peachy clair

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georginarf · 21/04/2006 11:32

ABM is Association of Breastfeeding Mothers I think

another useful group for advice

tamum · 21/04/2006 11:34

I just love the idea of you bfing your dd1 purely to piss off cod, hc :o I had stopped when dd was 2, a few months before she had chickenpox, and it would have been very useful, I can imagine.

Psychobabble · 21/04/2006 11:43

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Rhubarb · 21/04/2006 12:02

Gina Ford writes a book about parenting, so of course she is going to be mentioned every now and then on a parenting website, I really don't see why others have to kick up such a stink about it! It's almost like they are goading each other to say something controversial!

jayjaybaby, yes I think she does mean start her routines in the hospital. I followed GF with my two, but I didn't stick wholeheartedly to the routines. I bf on demand until it was established. That is, when I had gotten the hang of it, as well as the baby as imo 5 mins on each breast is not enough time to train yourself or your baby the delicate art of breastfeeding!

Some women can express easily, others can't. I used the Boots hand held expressor pump, and this worked ok sometimes. But then I was never averse to giving mine the odd formula if I was going out anywhere and hadn't expressed enough.

Take her advice on board by all means, but also do what makes you feel comfortable.

Peachyclair · 21/04/2006 12:09

\link{http://www.abm.me.uk/\ this is the ABM site, it can search for support meeting in your area}

HTH

Peachyclair · 21/04/2006 12:13

remember.... there is no such a thing as a wrong baby book, only a wrong one for you- there are so many out there you have to choose the one that works with your own lifestyle. I could never stick to anyone elses routines- and anyway, what sort of book says 'BF your baby on side of road watching a carnival whilst 20 large men stand around you protectively Wink. We all have different lifestyle, I'm of the dippy hippy variety bt you must find your own way.

Disclaimer:
(By no wrong baby books, I am excluding anything by odd cults / weirdo types as I know what MN is like for getting you jumped on for a wrong phrase Wink Grin)

PinkTulips · 21/04/2006 12:25

jay jay, i haven't read gf but i did bf for a year with dd and the best advice i can give is feed for as long as baby wants when baby wants, it's exhausting at first but you get into a routine that suits both you and baby within a month or 2 and even after this the amount of feeds baby wants will gradually decrease over time as his tummy is able to hold more and he goes onto solids etc. the only person who can tell if your baby is full is baby so anyone else telling you to feed for a set amount of time means it may not be the optimum for your baby.

be prepared by reading all the information you can get your hands on beforehand and have a bf councellor/hv's number at the ready in case you run into trouble. be warned the first few weeks are tough but IT DOES GET EASIER and is so rewarding if you stick with it. suffice to say i'd still be bf dd now if i wasn't preg (she's possesive and i can't see her sharing easily!) and i will be bf-ing this baby for as long as possible.

as for expressing, some women find it very easy, some don't, however i do know the few women i know who used an electric pump hated it, i'd get one of the cheaper hand held manual ones and see how you go, and don't express til you and baby have settled into bf-ing, about 5 weeks is recommended i think.

HTH Smile

cornflakegirl · 21/04/2006 13:45

jayjaybaby

i'm still bf ds at 10.5 months, and have used gf from the start.

would agree about ignoring timings of feeds - some babies feed quickly, others feed more slowly - just listen so you know if the baby is swallowing.

i also found that expressing so as to have extra milk immediately there for growth spurts didn't help me at all, as i could never identify the growth spurts! but expressing in the evening so dh could do the 10.30 feed and i could go to bed was great! :)

my one big piece of advice would be to take all the help you're offered in terms of getting feeding established. ds took ages to get the hang of latching - and i lost count of the number of mws who had manhandled my boobs - but it was so helpful.

oh - and there are loads of people on here with really useful advice. read everything! then you can choose what works best for you :)

tiktok · 21/04/2006 14:04

Interesting that the people who breastfeed successfully and happily beyond the first weeks, and who say they have followed GF, really haven't :)

There's cornflake girl describing how she followed GF but didn't do anything about growth spurts and also ignored the timing of feeds - both of which points are crucial to the regime outlined in the CLB.

CFG - you did it by yourself, you followed the advice you wanted to follow and which fitted in with your needs and your baby's needs, and you ignored the rest. Entirely sensible! But I am afraid this is not 'following' GF...I bet you broke other 'rules' as well, such as the time you had your breakfast. Did you have separate 'wake up' and 'wind down' toys? Did you ever play with your baby 20 mins or less before he had a nap? Did you drink a large glass of water every day at 2 pm? And so on.....

If you didn't, you are very naughty Wink

tamum · 21/04/2006 14:06

Tiktok, I hope you've got a good lawyer :o

tiktok · 21/04/2006 14:06

To clarify: GF says you must not play with the baby 20 mins or less before a nap. Oh, and you must only cuddle your baby when 'he needs it' and not 'when you need it'.

I am not straying into legal difficulties here, as you note I am not making any comment or voicing opinions on any of this.

tiktok · 21/04/2006 14:07

tamum - I think I am safe!!

I am only quoting from the book, as I say.....

tamum · 21/04/2006 14:07

Ha, cross posted. Very true, you are not passing any kind of judgement either way.

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