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Turning the benefits of Breastfeeding into the risks of formula LIST

254 replies

rubberduckduck · 23/02/2011 17:19

What do people think of this?

here

Just how much of this can be proved with current studies? eg.less likely to be alive on their third birthday.

Talk about scare mongering?

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BaroqueAroundTheClock · 23/02/2011 21:47

oh yes - I see adverts all over the place round here for wet nurses and places to source donated milk Hmm

chibi · 23/02/2011 21:47

Leonie are those two better substitutes readily available, particularly given the number of women who end up having to use a bf substitute?

If not, it is a bit of a moot point to say that they are better- you might as well sneer at women for not using unicorn tears to feed their babies with

4madboys · 23/02/2011 21:48

bollocks leonie, its not just inconvenient it is NIGH on impossible for most women, dont be so dam pedantic and will you answer my question?!

Lulumaam · 23/02/2011 21:48

oh yes, wet nursing is so prevalent !!

and women are given weird looks for breastfeeding past 12 months, can you really see society being supportive of wet nursing !!

agree donor milk needs pushing much more though

stop being so darned black and white !! it is so counterproductive and undermines what you are saying

HowBreastfeedingWorks · 23/02/2011 21:49

Promotion without support is the worst of all worlds.

The link in the OP is horrible - judgemental, revolting unpleasantness.

However, breastfeeding has no benefits. It is the baseline standard, the default, the biological norm - just as breathing air, walking using legs and ick-removal from kidneys are the standard, default, biological norms and being ventilated, using crutches and dialysis are the supports we use when those biological norms don't work as they should.

("ick-removal" is a technical term)

Necessarily, therefore, formula is below that baseline and can be described as carrying risks, just as there are with the supports outlined above.

However, these nuances of semantics are absolutely no help to anyone and women who feel judged are unlikely to feel empowered, happy to ask questions and make informed decisions.

Having said that, if we are going to move anything like forward with helping more women to breastfeed, we need to make decisions for campaigns based upon supporting the women who are going to be having babies in the future, not based upon not upsetting the women who have had their breastfeeding relationships screwed up by misinformation, myth and poor support.

But we need to be sensitive and kind and non-judgemental about it.

Can you do that for me, Leonie, lovey, can you? :channels Claire Rayner:

KnittingRocks · 23/02/2011 21:49

Lol 4madboys - I know, what a selfish cow I am Grin.

Lulumaam · 23/02/2011 21:50

I love you HBW!

especially the last sentence

ArthurPewty · 23/02/2011 21:51

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KnittingRocks · 23/02/2011 21:51

Lol HBW - beautifully well put, but I think Leonie is beyond the charms of Claire (RIP).

4madboys · 23/02/2011 21:51

me too knittingrocks, me too Grin

HowBreastfeedingWorks · 23/02/2011 21:52

Lulumaam, you're a bit all right yourself! LOL at sanpro! [mooncup] (actually, why isn't that an emoticon, hmm?!)

Or is it...hang on... Wine No? Grin

(Have you seen How Breastfeeding Works is on Facebook, btw? You're just a "like" click away from more of this sort of thing - ah, I've put you all off now, haven't I?!)

KnittingRocks · 23/02/2011 21:52

You've already said lots of offensive things Leonie, your work is done.

ArthurPewty · 23/02/2011 21:53

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steamedqueen · 23/02/2011 21:53

Tobknob,they are now 18months old and are absolutely doing great now. After having a terrible winter with them last year due to illnesses relating to them being prem this year has been so much better. You will have seen pics of them,I have you on fb ;) xxx

While in scbu,due to me not being able to keep up with the demand of providing milk for twins I did actually use donated milk several times.

4madboys · 23/02/2011 21:53

oh so i am not one that YOU classify as having a 'poor excuse' do you not see leonie that actually its NON of your dam business why someone stops bfeeding, and it certainly isnt your place to judge! and decide if it classifies as a 'medical need' or is simply a poor excuse.

MotherF · 23/02/2011 21:55

Nice one HBW!

4madboys · 23/02/2011 21:55

yes run along now leonie, you have spouted your crap and said NOTHING supportive or helpful for those that actually want to bfeed.

go back to your little bubble where we can all bfeed or else use wetnurses Hmm

Lulumaam · 23/02/2011 21:55

no-one wnats you to change your mind about how you feel about breastfeeding,but it;s how you deliver the info and your viewpoints

you're hurting people, real people, other mothers and that's just wrong

the howbreastfeedingworks site/blog and facebook page is treeeee-mendous !

HowBreastfeedingWorks · 23/02/2011 21:55

Hey, Leonie, are you someone who wants more women to breastfeed? Sorry, I've not been on MN much recently and have sort of lost track of who thinks what. I'm gathering this discussion is a well-trodden path for you, though?

Voddy · 23/02/2011 21:57

MotherF I felt the same. I tried and tried but my DD was starving and the pain of the latch and the let down was exrutiating; it got to the point that I would start to cry when she began to wake up. I lasted 2 weeks and had to switch to FF.

She's just over 9 weeks now and thriving. When I think of the sound of her crying through hunger it makes me physically ill and I don't think I'll ever forget it. So go and fuck yourself Leonie, you self satified, smug, petty woman. I thank God that the breast feeding support workers and HCPs I had contact with were professional, kind and knowledgeable.

BaroqueAroundTheClock · 23/02/2011 21:58

true HBW's about basing decisions on future mothers - not past ones (or current ones - oh you know what I mean).

However, I think that a campaign along the lines of the anti/stop smoking campagins is a bad way to go about it. With 1001 worries (especially for first time mothers) during their pregnancy I can't see how a full on in your face "if you don't breastfeed THIS is what will happen to your baby" thing would help. Another thing to worry about "failing" at, even more angst to be upset about if things don't work out with the Bfing (for whatever reason).

I don't know anyone that has chosen to FF that has done so without knowing the increased risks associated with it.

4madboys · 23/02/2011 21:58

if you want a good bfeeding site, look at the leakyboob on fb, that is fab :)

and hbw, this is leonies fortay to go from thread to thread, any that mentions feeding either breast or bottle and tell us all how terrible formula is again and again and again Hmm getting rather dull now.

topknob · 23/02/2011 21:59

ah I do know you then !!! My youngest Rachel was 35 weeks and suffered so badly with bronchilitis at 8 through to 10 months due to a crap gp...it is a yearly thing now even though she is 6 now 3) :)

Leonie 'i've not replied because i cant be arsed with rhetorical questions.'

Not at all, it really happened and is still happening to woman all over the world !!!!!!!!!!!!!

leatherchair · 23/02/2011 21:59

Leonie - You represent everything that gives BF/BF supporters a 'bad' name.

Shame, seeing as you are so passionate about it, that you are so damaging to it's cause.

I find you very offensive.

BaroqueAroundTheClock · 23/02/2011 21:59

oh and yes - HBW's facebook/blog is fabulous, but put over much more sensitively