Turning the benefits of Breastfeeding into the risks of formula LIST

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What do people think of this?

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Just how much of this can be proved with current studies? eg.less likely to be alive on their third birthday.

Talk about scare mongering?

" or that children who are ff turn to mutants." - oh but they DO tiktok they do

It does explain certain things, Baroquin!

Ooops - forgot to

On the issue of donated milk and wet nurses supposedly being available choices to use before formula, neither was available when DD was in scbu - the donated milk was kept for really really sick premies and wet nursing (even if we could have found someone) not allowed because of the unknown health risks (e.g. needing to test "donors" for hiv).

I love the "every drop counts" message. It kept me going through some really tough times and now my DD is ebf. If I'd had that awful list pushed at me when DD was born, I would've probably sucumbed to pnd, which would not have helped us get back to bfing.

The 'Every Drop Counts' message would have been good for me too, japhrimel, because I did manage to bf all three for some time, though not as long as I wanted and intended to, obviously.

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Huh? Where did that 'I' come from?

Noodlesmam - yes, please do get the details from your SIL. I can't think of anything added to formula which would prevent infection in any baby, let alone one with an inherited immune disorder.

I still don't know of any thread - even the daftest ones, as I have said - which even imply the locking-up and ranging mutant scenario you say is a result of ff.

Tiktok - He has an immunoglobulin IGA deficiency. My sister was told by Paed that because he was breastfed, this shouldn't have happened and therefore her breastmilk was deficient in some way. Pead told her that she should FF in future as FF is sufficient. Therefore I have perhaps misread that as it doesn't happen when you FF. Apologies to anyone I have worried with this and I promise to keep my trap shut until I have re-capped over the facts. I still stand by my point tho - If you can BF, great! If you can't then don't beat yourself up over it.

Thanks for clarifying, NoodlesMam.

Breastmilk cannot make up for inborn immune deficiencies and if a baby has a congenital/genetic disorder, like your nephew, breastfeeding will not fix it.

I have no idea why the paed suggested it would be sufficient to formula feed - if a baby's immune system is compromised, he needs all the protection breastfeeding can give him. Perhaps he meant that breastfeeding could not make any difference to the congenital disorder. I think your SIL may have misunderstood the paed saying about her breastmilk being deficient in some way - no one's breastmilk could have fixed it.

Formula feeding will definitely not protect a baby with an immune deficiency, so it's good you have corrected this misinformation.

I read a thread in aibu recently where someone had said that they were unable to BF and she was shot down in flames, accused of child abuse (an imprisonable offence) and told that her nb would end up very sick. So not helpful at all and it's these threads I'm getting at. Tiktok are you thinking that I am suggesting that FF babies turn into raging mutants??? If so you've picked me up completely wrong, I don't think that at all!

Maybe the paed said that NoodlesMam if she had avoided certain medications to continue bfing in the hope her LO would be healthier? In which case, FF might be the best option for the family.

Toddlerwrangler, thank you very much indeed for your kind words. It has been an uphill struggle at times, but I have made real progress with what I'm doing (sorry for the secrecy!) and it's all about to get very exciting!

Tiktok, I LOVE your description of "provisional" wings of the infant feeding debate - that's it exactly!

I don't recall that AIBU thread NoodlesMam - but if child abuse was suggested I would be pretty confident this was suggested by a loon who would be quickly jumped on. Do you not see that when someone says something very stupid mumsnet has its own way of challenging and correcting?

No - I did not think you belive ff turns babies into mutants. You were saying you had read threads that implied this. Again, the correcting/challenging impetus of mumsnet would come into play here as well, I think :)

I recall a thread where someone was told that bfing their 4yo was child abuse some years back.

[swings] [roundabouts] [all irrelevant and unhelpful to the wider debate]

Japhrimel, my sister wasn't on any medications and doesn't have the deficiency that her son has. he was 5yrs at the time of testing because he had been continually ill since contracting whooping cough at 10 weeks. Paed definately said it was due to a deficiency in her breastmilk - although I've just done a quick google search and can't find anything to support that?

Oh, yeah, and that was stomped upon pretty quickly too (as, I am sure, were the lunatic gibberings of the poster you mention, NM - nobody who thinks that formula is child abuse is sane, after all).

Paeds often don't know much about bfing, sadly, NM.

I am pretty sure that BM deficiency doesn't cause immunoglobulin deficiencies. I am a vet and we very occasionally see Ig deficiencies in animals and it can be just one out of a whole litter who have all had the same milk (and almost every animal is 'breastmilk' raised - very few hand reared)

TBH that sounds off. I've got experience working in the neuro and autoimmune patient communities and have come across a number of patients on IVIG (intravenous immunoglobulin) and with various immune deficincies and have never before heard of a causal link with breastfeeding.

Some info on IgA deficiency if anyone is interested (brushed up but still couldn't see a link): emedicine.medscape.com/article/136580-overview

Anyway, off topic..

Off topic but thank you for the link anyway japhrimel, I will pass it on to my sister and suggest she asks for a better explanation

You're right, rollittherecollette, and I was one of those who made an assumption that NoodlesMam must be wrong.

NoodlesMam, I'm sorry for the tone and the content of my reply to you. I was trying to make a point about the difference between challenging misinformation about breastfeeding, and being a zealot against formula feeding.

But I didn't do it well, and I shouldn't have done it at your expense.

Apologies.

rollit - I did not say NoodlesMam 'must be wrong'. I did ask her for more information because with the vague story she offered she was indeed at risk of 'scaremongering'. Blood and immunity problems are not passed on with breastfeeding; formula feeding does not protect against their development; breastfeeding cannot fix congenital problems. These are all facts.

It turned out she had got it wrong - and I am certain that if the paed had told her breastfeeding was deficient in some way vis a vis this condition, then he/she did get it wrong (or, more likely, the mother had misunderstood). None of this is 'absolutism' any more than saying 'your doctor told you breastfeeding caused your child's poor eyesight? He/she was wrong' or 'you doctor was wrong to tell you breastmilk is made of washing up water after six months.'