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Following on from the webchat... succeeding second time success stories please!

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Serendippy · 08/11/2010 15:19

Really want to hear from people who wanted to BF DC1 but failed for whatever reason but succeeded second (or third or fourth) time. Please tell me what made the difference! We are trying for a baby, might even be pregnant but that's another thread Grin and really really want to make a success of BF this time. All tips welcome, thanks.

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Pendulum · 10/11/2010 06:50

It's not surprising to me that it hurts for a while at the beginning while both mother and baby are working on getting the positioning right. Also not surprising that nipples bleed and get cracked at the beginning The practising requires much longer sessions at the breast than BF does when you have cracked it. For a while your nipples are more or less constantly under friction in wet conditions. Any part of your body would chafe and hurt.

For me, I had to go through that practising phase the second time as well- maybe others can remember good practice (which I never really had first time) resulting in less pain.

eldritch · 10/11/2010 10:16

If I have another baby I will try my hardest to avoid taking Meptid during the birth if I possibly can - I'm sure this made DS very sleepy for the first few days and difficult to feed. I did manage to BF successfully for 8 months but the first weeks were really hard.

wendyhappysmile · 10/11/2010 10:46

Thread is still really interesting - thank you everyone! I have two weeks to go and am really wanting to give bf another go. A friend of mine swears by sleeping on the sofa for a couple of weeks, says psychologically it's easier to get out of 'bed' and feed a baby than if you're all cosy in your own bed. May well try it as I am very very bad without any sleep, and have two other children to look after - which I find hard if i'm even a tiny bit tired!!!

Serendippy · 10/11/2010 11:20

What I really want is for lots of my friends to have babies just before me so that they are BF and can help me. Is that a teeny tiny bit selfish? Grin

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marlob · 10/11/2010 13:03

Hi - I found feeding harder than labour the first time around (and that was after a 48 hour labour) I really wanted to BF so I stuck to it and had advice from so many people and then the thing that worked for me the day before I was about to give up was nipple shields. They didn't stop it hurting, but it just took the edge off and let me get on with it until things did settle down.

Second time around it was A LOT easier but still hurt and now I'm on number three and it hurt for a few days but everything fell into place.

I have some friends who never had a problem and then people like me who did. I wanted to stick to and managed to and at the end of the day it's been one of my greatest joys in life... feeding my little angels and knowing I've been giving them a great start in life.

pop1973 · 10/11/2010 13:21

Hi I had problems first time round,lo did no thrive well, and before I had a chance to get the weight on for the first, was told by midwife that I had to put lo onto formula or I would have baby taken into hospital on her say so.

However,this time, was determind to feed and did, I think the second time round is easier, you know what is right and wrong and are not so worried about being a first time mum. I am generally a lot more laid back with the second child and therefore am more relaxed. I did panic for a while, when the baby was feeding so well and causing me pain, but asked for help from NCT and La League and anyone who would help. Don't be afraid to ask for help!!

Now I am still feeding and going strong, I kept initially thinking that I would push it until she was 6 months, and since then it has been longer and longer, the lo is now well and very large and doing well.

emmie31 · 10/11/2010 13:36

I breastfed my 1st child for 6 months, was difficult at first but carried on. I breastfed my 2nd baby for 4 weeks, I had mastitis 4 times, my nipples bled and the antibiotics helped my milk dry up...I assumed because it was easy (ish) the 1st time it would be a breeze the 2nd time!

thecaptaincrocfamily · 10/11/2010 22:38

Please please don't go down the sofa route - it is the biggest cause of cot death and far more dangerous then safely sleeping in bed. Feed lying down in bed. On a sofa babies suffocate through sliding between mum and the back of the chair/cushions fall on top. Please use a flat surface to lie on.
Please also pass on this advice to the friend who is doing it. Sad (Student HV, so this is statistically the case not here say.)

Serendippy · 11/11/2010 10:23

thecaptaincrocfamily I took that comment to mean that if you were sleeping on the sofa, with baby in the same room in a basket, it was easier mentally to get up and feed them instead of having to climb out of a nice warm bed. I don't think she was talking about sleeping on the sofa with her baby. (Please correct me if I am wrong)

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smk84 · 11/11/2010 13:37

This is all very encouraging :) I too had difficulties with my DS, and would love to EBF next time round. Has anyone successful second time round found the age of the older child to be important? Is there an age gap that works very well?

aendr · 11/11/2010 13:49

A lot of TwentiethCenturyHeffa's first post I could have written.

My DS didn't BF. He just wouldn't latch on. I expressed for several weeks, and could express for England but... I was on my knees with tiredness, then I got mastitis twice (delirium level temperatures within 4 hours). We gave up and switched to formula. At that point DS got a lot happier and his nappy rash disappeared. And I felt so terribly bad about failing to feed. In tears when I thought about it bad. Sad

Between pregnancies I read a single blog post from someone who had had problems with their daughter, and then had been fine with their son. It gave me hope.

Pregnant with DD, I read the breastfeeding posts on this forum and felt awful and guilty and all sorts of negative emotions about my failure over my son's feeding. I would sometimes cry and avoid these pages, but kept coming back. I felt horribly defensive against those who bashed formula feeding and hated the way the breast is best message had made me feel. But, I realised that I hadn't had good support.
I eventually got up the courage to phone the local breastfeeding counsellor at around 36 weeks pregnant... I was in tears and unable to speak within 2 minutes of her answering the phone. But we met, and we had a plan laid out. I had (controlled) gestational diabetes with DD, and we planned to express colostrum so we could feed it to her if she had a sugar crash and went dozy. That gave me a mental buffer too, so she'd get something good even if everything went pear shaped. Hours and hours of hand expressing drops of the liquid gold...
Roll on the birth; instead of spending 51 hours in labour with me getting tireder and tireder, she came in a couple of hours. Instead of needing some time in the care of a paediatrician we could have skin to skin immediately. She latched in the delivery suite, knew what she was doing. I have a photo of her with her tongue stuck out at an hour old - DS didn't stick his out till 3 months (oh, yes, I did ask about tongue tie but was told there wasn't one). She didn't go dozy. The first thawed batch of colostrum, which took about 30 hours to produce, went down the drain because it had been thawed and unused. (Oh I felt awful and wonderful at the same time doing that). I had some problems with latch and resorted to a bottle (when we popped in the rest of the thawed colostrum) and nipple shields in the first two weeks but at 11 weeks we're still breast feeding and I am thrilled.

In hindsight:
I probably had gestational diabetes (GD) with my first pregnancy, but it wasn't looked for. We think my son had the resultant sugar crash, he didn't seek food and was dozy (as well as having a cardiac problem common in uncontrolled GD babies). He was also put on antibiotics as I was found to be carrying group B strep (GBS) (I should have been on antibiotics in labour due to the prolonged rupture of membranes, which would have meant he didn't need them). The antibiotics probably made him dozier. Inexperienced at picking up babies, and exhausted, I couldn't get him out of the hospital bassinet safely (too high). We were in hospital for 5 days due to the GBS. All this meant too little skin to skin and bonding. We had mixed messages and poor breastfeeding support from too many different people. "It should hurt" and "It shouldn't hurt". Having now experienced correct latch, I think my son may have latched once or twice in hospital but having been told it shouldn't hurt we unlatched him and I think that contributed to the failure.

With DD, initial latch hurt but not the main feed. Now not even initial latch hurts, unless she comes off and puts herself back on too quickly for me to stop her onto aureola and not nipple. Nipple cream, shields and shells, determination, knowing about cluster feeding, getting help with positions, daring to ask the BF counsellor to come and visit, having a BF counsellor I trusted from before the birth, having hope and knowing it isn't the end of the world if we failed again.

And it's been amazingly cathartic to write all that. Smile

And having formula fed one and breast fed the other... I found formula easier than the bits when I was struggling with breast feeding... breast feeding is easier in the middle of the night and out and about at the moment, but I can't just hand my baby over to my husband and say "your turn for a bit" when she's fussing horribly. I still think the "breast is best" message and the huge guilt downer on formula feeding mothers is over the top and could contribute to a lot of baby blues problems. I still feel bad about DS, but not as much of a failure just because I have succeeded now.

Serendippy · 11/11/2010 19:23

aendr when I grow up I want to be just like you Smile

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TwentiethCenturyHeffa · 12/11/2010 11:21

aendr - really interesting to read your post, it does sound quite similar. Poor breastfeeding support from too many people is definitely a problem, I wish it had been possible to just see one (good) person consistently - lots of the supporters were excellent but gave completely different advice. Some people just gave bad advice, but it got so difficult to understand what was what. In the 6 weeks I expressed I had mastitis (badly) 3 times which was horrible. I look back now and can't believe I actually managed to do it at all but at the time I felt like such a failure. A couple of supporters I saw would tell me at length about how terrible formula was and how amazing BM was, but refused to actually offer any help and just told me that expressing was an inferior option so that I needed to get it sorted Hmm

I felt terrible that I couldn't BF DD, and used to cry all the time about it. I'm generally over it now but angry at the lousy support I got, and at the people who did make me feel bad (and there were some) rather than trying to help.

I've found this thread quite cathartic too. So glad for you that you've been able to feed your DD, it's an amazing feeling when it works :)

aendr · 12/11/2010 15:23

20thCH: I think the second time around, the hospital was more clued up. The BF counsellor now has an office on the ward and more of the staff have been trained to sing from the same hymn sheet, so the support was more consistent. My post natal community midwives were better trained too. I don't think I'm angry over the support from the first one, though I am not happy about the whole birth because their ignoring certain of the NICE guidelines endangered my son (I only found out in hindsight - if I'd known at the time, I would have spoken up then). I'm intending, when I'm ready, to do the birth debriefing for both and then write a letter of feedback with both positive and negative points detailed. I've already written a letter to my wonderful community midwife's boss (cc her) because she made such a difference to me - and I discovered afterwards she's had a terrible year personally, so I'm really pleased I did that.

Breastfeeding DD protects her from asthma (strong family history on both sides) and diabetes (increased risk due to the GD and a family history on my side). But DS, without that BF protection and exposed to, I suspect, uncontrolled gestational diabetes during the pregnancy is much more at risk of diabetes and he is already on an asthma inhaler after two hospitalisations for bronchiolitis and a persistent wheeze and cough that doesn't clear up in the summer. I'm pondering actually giving him expressed breastmilk should he get ill again this winter - I need to find out if there's any evidence to show it helps (it's just a mother's gut feeling right now.)

I have signed up for the Cambridge milk bank. I am too squeamish to give blood; my veins disappear and I faint, so it's not worth their while but I feel guilty for not doing so as I think it is An Important Thing To Do. This would be giving something back that I can do and which is so much rarer.

Serendippy: not quite sure what you mean, but thanks Blush. When I grow up I want to be 5 feet tall Wink (sorry, that's the tongue in cheek response I gave to an old fogey when he asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up when I was doing a PhD in physics. I'm 4'11".)

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