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Greatest novel ever written

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JoonT · 14/03/2023 22:48

What would be your contender for greatest novel ever written? And why? I don't mean your favourite novel. And I don't mean the novel that cheers you up or comforts you, etc. I mean the novel you consider the best.

There are so many classics I've never read it's embarrassing. For example, I've never read Wuthering Heights, Bleak House, Middlemarch, Emma, Robinson Crusoe, Mrs Dalloway, 1984, Brideshead Revisited, Moby Dick, Catch 22, Madame Bovary, Tess of the D'Urbervilles, (I could go on and on). But based on the novels I have read, my vote would go to Dickens' David Copperfield. Pride and Prejudice, Kipling's Kim, Sons and Lovers, The Great Gatsby, etc, would fight it out for second place.

Plenty of novels have given me as much pleasure (Wodehouse's Right Ho Jeeves, for example), but nothing else seems so universal. D.H. Lawrence described the novel as "the bright book of life," and that's a perfect description of David Copperfield. Everything is there, the whole range of human experience. It opens with a beautiful description of childhood, and the way it becomes a lost paradise, and then covers pretty much every human experience, from the death of a parent to the infatuation of sexual love (and the disillusion that follows).

It also contains more characters than any novel I have ever read. And they are so vivid and real. I doubt there is any novel out there (with the possible exceptions of War and Peace and Proust's A La Recherche, neither of which I have read) with so many people and so many voices: Uriah Heep, Mr Micawber, Aunt Betsy, Mr Dick, Steerforth, Peggotty. Amazing. Most novelists can't create one memorable character. Dickens creates at least six in this novel alone.

I also admire the heart of the novel. Dickens rejects moral relativism, and re-affirms what we all, deep down, know is true – that kindness, loyalty, love, courage, dignity, etc, are good, and cruelty, bullying, sadism, betrayal, cowardice, etc, are bad.

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GloriaMundy · 09/08/2024 21:45

What books have you re-read or plan to would be a good thread title if it hasn't been done already.

Autel · 09/08/2024 21:52

Le rouge et le noir. Villette, Beckett’s Trilogy and To the Lighthouse share second place.

Doro371 · 09/08/2024 21:59

When I was a pupil we read Sartre's "Huis clos/no exit" in our French class and I remember thinking "this must be the best book in the world." I found it incredibly clever.
But that was 25 years ago. I think I might have a look at it again and see if I still like it so much

MrsSkylerWhite · 09/08/2024 22:11

Easy second The Bible, read all of it. Excellent stories. I’m an atheist but it’s a really good read.

wwyd2021medicine · 09/08/2024 22:18

Midnight's children not mentioned yet? Beautiful novel

theleafandnotthetree · 09/08/2024 22:49

For those wondering what the hell is so great about The Great Gatsby....I think it is that in a very short book, it manages to distill the essence of (many) American values - materialism, capitalism, arrogance, carelessness, exceptionaliam, etc. - these have been hugely influential in shaping our world in the last two centuries. In a completely different setting and with very different sets of values, Clare Keegan does something similar in her novellas (Foster, Small Things Like These, So Late in the Day). They are so short and so simply written, but there are whole worlds there.

GloriaMundy · 09/08/2024 23:33

I got all that from it and should re-read it, but I just didn't care enough about the characters.

This thread is great. Thanks .

TheVeryAngryCaterpillar · 09/08/2024 23:45

Agree with Rebecca, so evocative and uncomfortable but absolutely gripping. People at the mercies of their desires and emotions.

DefyingGravitas · 09/08/2024 23:48

Pieceofpurplesky · 21/06/2024 12:52

Shadow of the Wind. A masterpiece in writing.

Oh I loved this one. So many here I should have read and haven’t (yet.)

WelshMoth · 10/08/2024 01:49

Pieceofpurplesky · 21/06/2024 12:52

Shadow of the Wind. A masterpiece in writing.

Second that. It's a beautifully written novel. The language used is truly exquisite.

FranticFrankie · 10/08/2024 02:21

The Bone Clocks - David Mitchell. Brilliant story, love this book
Love in the Time of Cholera - but couldn’t get into author’s other books
The Woman in White
Asta’s Book - Barbara Vine

MotherOfCatBoy · 10/08/2024 07:02

Autel · 09/08/2024 21:52

Le rouge et le noir. Villette, Beckett’s Trilogy and To the Lighthouse share second place.

Ooh, agree To the Lighthouse, forgot to mention it.

The Goldfinch and The Bone Clocks are on my bedside to read pile right now.
Would also include Cloud Atlas in the runners-up.

DancefloorAcrobatics · 10/08/2024 07:30

A little known novel: Chess / The Royal Game by Stefan Zweig.

It's quite simplistic in some ways, plot setting and easy lenear writing style. But it also delves into the human minds competituve and obsessive nature through game play.

It can be easily read in a day but you'll think about the characters long after you finished the book.

Ilovemyshed · 10/08/2024 08:04

I'm putting Delderfield right up there, particularly the Swann Trilogy starting with God is an Englishman, the Horseman riding by books starting with Long Summer Day, and To serve them all my days.

The books are descriptive and wonderful with great insight into social issues and thought provoking, all alongside rattling good stories and characters.

CheerfulBunny · 10/08/2024 08:15

@PermanentTemporary Exactly that about War and Peace, it's extraordinary. Just like watching a film. Came on to say Anna Karenina though, because it made me cry on the train when I read it. It's so raw and tender - I read that Tolstoy based the love story of Levin and Kitty (older man and younger women) on his own life experience.
I've never managed to get into Dickens but I really must after reading this thread.

MimsyBorogrove69 · 10/08/2024 08:19

Right Ho, Jeeves. Utterly joyous and hilarious.

Happyinarcon · 10/08/2024 08:33

AyrshireTryer · 10/07/2024 19:34

Wuthering Heights is the only novel I binned after finishing it.
Changed my university course to avoid having to study it.

I am also perplexed by wuthering heights. I read it for school and was a fast reader who loved books, but that novel just seemed to get longer and longer. It was as if time had stopped.

cookiebee · 10/08/2024 09:15

Definitely Vanity Fair is up there with the best. Becky Sharp was a bit of a heroine for me in my younger days, although I did realise that psycho social climber isn’t necessarily the best life choice 😂. I think Thackeray called it a novel without a hero, and it’s so true. With the tweaking of current social etiquettes, vanity fair could be set in any decade of any century, he characterises the flaws and hilarity of human nature so well, humans and their motives never seem to change, Becky Sharp could literally be someone on the front page of the sun selling a kiss and tell, although I think she was at times much more devious than that.

I actually became aware of vanity fair by watching the excellent 1998 BBC version, I didn’t know anything about it, just thought it was going to be a run of the mill period drama, you know, girl hates aloof prat but then realises his money is actually good, oh sorry, personality, his personality is good. But quickly realised something was off, all these people were awful, but awesome lol, just love it. Anyway I totally would have out Lizzied Elizabeth Bennet and won Mr Darcy’s affections 😂!

Andsoisdorothy · 10/08/2024 11:50

Beloved, by Toni Morrison.

GloriaMundy · 10/08/2024 12:43

@cookiebee , VF is definitely a 'great'.

@CheerfulBunny , when I've watched a TV/film adaptation, however good it is, the book is usually far better. (I really must read some more Dickens)

I watched AK (1970s TV series) after I'd read about a third of the book. (Nicola Pagett was AK). It was beautiful but the book was so much more powerful. I enjoyed both but I'd re-read the book. The characters, other than Anna, Dolly and Kitty who did a bit, didn't look like the actors to me.

@Happyinarcon , Chapter 1 was like that for me. I got no further.

madroid · 10/08/2024 13:49

Actually, I haven't written it yet 😀

hopsalong · 12/08/2024 22:13

I'm glad Villette has been mentioned.

The others in my top ten:

Emma
Howards End
To the Lighthouse
The Portrait of a Lady
A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man
The Sun Also Rises
Maud Martha
Vanity Fair
Tender is the Night
... and... as many others have said
Ulysses

rainbowbee · 12/08/2024 22:27

The Waves by Virginia Woolf is my standout as the most exquisite piece of writing. Wise Children by Angela Carter was wonderful.

TheMarzipanDildo · 12/08/2024 22:36

GloriaMundy · 09/08/2024 20:54

Here's my take on the following:

Wuthering Heights - couldn't get into it. Tried several times.
David Copperfield - not tried
Brave New World - did it at school. Seems dated now.
Love In The Time of Cholera - after having it on a shelf for decades, it's now packed ready to go to the charity shop. I'm not going to read it.
To Kill A Mockingbird - loved it. Read it several times.

Lady Chatterley's Lover - not tried
The Handmaid's Tale - not tried
Lolita- read it years ago. Thought Ugh!

I have read books by Barbara Kingsolver and enjoyed them but won't be reading more of them.

I've read Things Fall Apart.

Not read Ulysses - and I'm not going to
or War and Peace. - on my reading list

Agree with Great Expectations, Pride and Prejudice, Middlemarch.
Agree but not read Middlemarch yet.

The Great Gatsby didn't deliver what was promised - that's a good summary
I'd say the same about The Catcher in the Rye.

Grapes of Wrath - not read it but East of Eden was good. Loved Of Mice and Men.

I like to be drawn into another world and I felt that, the ones that stayed me, like AK, TKAM, and P&P, did that.

My Brilliant Friend quartet - Elena Ferrante, amazing examination of women’s relationships in the 20thC
I won't be reading them - heard them on R4 and found them boring.

Edited

hmm I didn’t think Brave New World felt dated at all when I read it a couple of years ago- it seemed very prescient.

Georgie8 · 12/08/2024 22:43

Unbearable Lightness of Being -Milan Kundera
One Hundred Years of Solitude (Cien Anos de Soledad) -Gabriel Garcia Marquez
Well of Loneliness -Radclyffe Hall
The Red and Black (le Rouge et Noir) -Stendhal
1984 -George Orwell
Brave New World -Aldous Huxley
Perfume: The Story of a Murderer -Patrick Suskind
The Immature Grain (Le Blé en Herbe) -Colette

Love so many others: Dickens, Galsworthy, Forster, JG Ballard, Toni Morrison, Virginia Woolf, Camus , HG Wells etc., but think the above, read between the ages of 16-20, made a massive impression on me.

(BTW I didn’t read Kundera or Suskind in their original language, so don’t know the original titles.)