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Greatest novel ever written

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JoonT · 14/03/2023 22:48

What would be your contender for greatest novel ever written? And why? I don't mean your favourite novel. And I don't mean the novel that cheers you up or comforts you, etc. I mean the novel you consider the best.

There are so many classics I've never read it's embarrassing. For example, I've never read Wuthering Heights, Bleak House, Middlemarch, Emma, Robinson Crusoe, Mrs Dalloway, 1984, Brideshead Revisited, Moby Dick, Catch 22, Madame Bovary, Tess of the D'Urbervilles, (I could go on and on). But based on the novels I have read, my vote would go to Dickens' David Copperfield. Pride and Prejudice, Kipling's Kim, Sons and Lovers, The Great Gatsby, etc, would fight it out for second place.

Plenty of novels have given me as much pleasure (Wodehouse's Right Ho Jeeves, for example), but nothing else seems so universal. D.H. Lawrence described the novel as "the bright book of life," and that's a perfect description of David Copperfield. Everything is there, the whole range of human experience. It opens with a beautiful description of childhood, and the way it becomes a lost paradise, and then covers pretty much every human experience, from the death of a parent to the infatuation of sexual love (and the disillusion that follows).

It also contains more characters than any novel I have ever read. And they are so vivid and real. I doubt there is any novel out there (with the possible exceptions of War and Peace and Proust's A La Recherche, neither of which I have read) with so many people and so many voices: Uriah Heep, Mr Micawber, Aunt Betsy, Mr Dick, Steerforth, Peggotty. Amazing. Most novelists can't create one memorable character. Dickens creates at least six in this novel alone.

I also admire the heart of the novel. Dickens rejects moral relativism, and re-affirms what we all, deep down, know is true – that kindness, loyalty, love, courage, dignity, etc, are good, and cruelty, bullying, sadism, betrayal, cowardice, etc, are bad.

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Ohnooooooooo · 26/07/2024 19:26

Cheek2cheek · 16/07/2024 05:00

Crime and Punishment would be my vote. The concept of greatness is a hard one to define but think it suggests a novel with enough breadth and depth to attempt a working through of what it is to be human. Crime and Punishment entirely fits the bill, as well as being the most gripping book I’ve ver read.

I could equally make a case for Middlemarch, Ulysses, The Corrections maybe.

Another approach to the question would be to think of those books which take something smaller and use it as a way into everything, “to see the world in a grain of sand”. In this category I’d put The Good Soldier, Mrs Dalloway, Pincher Martin, Never Let Me Go.

Never let me go haunted me for a while and I could never quite pin down why, I do like a novel that stays with you after the fact

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forwantofabetterword · 03/08/2024 09:04

Omg guys, I already gave my list but I had to come back to say The Shock of the Fall by Nathan Filer after someone on another thread reminded me of it. What a brilliant book.

pd339 · 03/08/2024 09:16

It's got to be 1984.

LochKatrine · 03/08/2024 09:26

Great Expectations - such a wonderful book.
Bleak House - it's got it all, tragedy, comedy, irony and spontaneous human combustion.
Wuthering Heights - very Gothic and not at all like any of the films!
Jane Eyre - beautifully written.
I couldn't get on with The Great Gatsby and have never been a fan of Jane Austen.

gettingbacktobeingmeagain · 03/08/2024 09:37

Ummm, Middlemarch, those of you who have listed it…what am I missing? I have tried to read it at least three times and I just cannot get into it at all and give up. I tried again recently because of a thread like this but nope, same problem! I am a reasonably well read and intelligent woman, so why does it do nothing for me whilst others extol its virtues?

GloriaMundy · 03/08/2024 12:17

@gettingbacktobeingmeagain , I think I tried decades ago but didn't get far but it's on my 'to read' list.
I think the size of the novel can be off-putting.
You don't have to read it all at once. Smile
Couldn't get into Wuthering Heights.

LondonLass61 · 09/08/2024 18:53

gettingbacktobeingmeagain · 03/08/2024 09:37

Ummm, Middlemarch, those of you who have listed it…what am I missing? I have tried to read it at least three times and I just cannot get into it at all and give up. I tried again recently because of a thread like this but nope, same problem! I am a reasonably well read and intelligent woman, so why does it do nothing for me whilst others extol its virtues?

Edited

Me too - just tried again this week. 🤷‍♀️

Lovetotravel123 · 09/08/2024 19:20

Animal Farm
The Grapes of Wrath
The Outsiders

Pottingup · 09/08/2024 19:25

Midnightrunners · 08/03/2024 20:07

Three men in a Boat, no question.

I think this might be the one I love the most which isn’t the same thing I guess.

Soñando25 · 09/08/2024 19:29

Things fall apart
Pride and Prejudice
Wuthering Heights
Jane Eyre
Women in Love
The Grapes of Wrath
The Ballad of the Sad Café
The Sound and the Fury.

Gnomegarden32 · 09/08/2024 19:50

I'm not well read enough to say but I've heard many people say Anna Karenina. It's on my TBR pile 🙂

AppropriateAdult · 09/08/2024 20:09

I find it genuinely interesting, but also quite strange, that almost nobody has nominated anything written in the last 50 years. Do people really feel nothing from the last few generations can compare with the early days of the novel, or is there a bias towards accepted classics and set texts? Personally I find Dickens really turgid, but both 'The Remains of the Day' and 'Never Let Me Go' by Kazuo Ishiguro were life-changing, while I have reread Alan Hollinghurst's 'The Line of Beauty' many times.

TheHorneSection · 09/08/2024 20:19

Cheek2cheek · 16/07/2024 05:00

Crime and Punishment would be my vote. The concept of greatness is a hard one to define but think it suggests a novel with enough breadth and depth to attempt a working through of what it is to be human. Crime and Punishment entirely fits the bill, as well as being the most gripping book I’ve ver read.

I could equally make a case for Middlemarch, Ulysses, The Corrections maybe.

Another approach to the question would be to think of those books which take something smaller and use it as a way into everything, “to see the world in a grain of sand”. In this category I’d put The Good Soldier, Mrs Dalloway, Pincher Martin, Never Let Me Go.

Crime and Punishment is a good shout. I HATED Raskolnikov, he’s a prick, but somehow he is the single most real character I have ever met on a page.

The Good Soldier was going to be my bite, in terms of how cleverly written it is. So many layers, so much to dissect, and I don’t think anyone will ever write a narrator as unreliable as in that novel. A truly wonderful and intelligent work of art.

FloatyBoaty · 09/08/2024 20:24

It changes for me, all the time. Some contenders:

Wuthering Heights
David Copperfield
Brave New World
Love In The Time of Cholera
To Kill A Mockingbird
Lady Chatterleys Lover
The Handmaids Tale
Lolita (hard to read now as an adult and a parent - read it many times as a younger woman- and the prose is extraordinary)

GloriaMundy · 09/08/2024 20:26

@AppropriateAdult I've not read much Dickens, so can't comment.
The recent fiction has been books I've read for pleasure.
I've not read anything by Hilary Mantel, for example. I probably should as my knowledge of history is poor.

Hepzibar · 09/08/2024 20:33

Not read Ulysses or War and Peace.

Agree with Great Expectations, Pride and Prejudice, Middlemarch.

The Great Gatsby didn't deliver what was promised

Luminousalumnus · 09/08/2024 20:34

Redebs · 03/04/2023 23:33

I love Orwell, but I think Dostoevsky's Crimeand Punishment is a Great

This is the one!

Catlord · 09/08/2024 20:45

I'd say there's quite a representation of the cumulative works available

Barbara Kingsolver has been mentioned, Ishiguro, Carlos ruiz
Zafon and Nathan filer who is only about 45.

There are also plenty which don't make the 50 year cutoff but are from mid- last century.

I don't think there's necessarily personal bias at play in terms of picking established titles, perhaps it's about the all round cream of each era rising and staying at the top of readers' consciousness so the body of high quality books to choose from is weighted towards known older titles whereas the best of modern stuff is still being established even in individual opinion.

I mean, how it compares to the entire literary body to date (or what we've each read at least) as well as is enjoyable in its own right since that's what this particular question is.

Not sure that makes much sense, lack of sleep!!

Catlord · 09/08/2024 20:45

That was to @AppropriateAdult

MrsSkylerWhite · 09/08/2024 20:46

There are so many probably more worthy.

For me, though, Jane Eyre.

MotherOfCatBoy · 09/08/2024 20:50

My thoughts have changed as I’ve got older.

When I was younger -
Jane Eyre
Middlemarch
Pride and Prejudice
Tess
Vanity Fair

But despite doing an English degree my reading was quite narrow. I’ve gradually widened it and read more “big” books which have the potential to be “great” but I also constantly realise there are so many more to read, and I could do with reading them in other languages..

At the moment I would say (agreeing with some pp)

War and Peace - the GOAT
David Copperfield - better than Great Expectations for all the reasons others have said
The Wolf Hall trilogy - Hilary Mantel, outstanding work of character analysis
My Brilliant Friend quartet - Elena Ferrante, amazing examination of women’s relationships in the 20thC
Still Life - Sarah Winman - what this has in common with the others is a broad canvas, many characters, and a narrator who sympathises with them (who shows us what it’s like to be alive)

I would add Vasily Grossman’s Life and Fate, sometimes described as the 20thC W&P, looking at the life of a Russian Jewish scientist during the siege of Stalingrad.

As for my younger books - I find a lot to criticise now in Jane Eyre (🚩🚩🚩) Tess I still think is important but it broke my heart, Vanity Fair is great comedy, Middlemarch could do with a reread - and I still return to Pride and Prejudice.

(Thought Gatsby was shallow and was meant to be shallow, not tragic; hated Orwell, very important message but so bleak).

GloriaMundy · 09/08/2024 20:54

Here's my take on the following:

Wuthering Heights - couldn't get into it. Tried several times.
David Copperfield - not tried
Brave New World - did it at school. Seems dated now.
Love In The Time of Cholera - after having it on a shelf for decades, it's now packed ready to go to the charity shop. I'm not going to read it.
To Kill A Mockingbird - loved it. Read it several times.

Lady Chatterley's Lover - not tried
The Handmaid's Tale - not tried
Lolita- read it years ago. Thought Ugh!

I have read books by Barbara Kingsolver and enjoyed them but won't be reading more of them.

I've read Things Fall Apart.

Not read Ulysses - and I'm not going to
or War and Peace. - on my reading list

Agree with Great Expectations, Pride and Prejudice, Middlemarch.
Agree but not read Middlemarch yet.

The Great Gatsby didn't deliver what was promised - that's a good summary
I'd say the same about The Catcher in the Rye.

Grapes of Wrath - not read it but East of Eden was good. Loved Of Mice and Men.

I like to be drawn into another world and I felt that, the ones that stayed me, like AK, TKAM, and P&P, did that.

My Brilliant Friend quartet - Elena Ferrante, amazing examination of women’s relationships in the 20thC
I won't be reading them - heard them on R4 and found them boring.

HuaShan · 09/08/2024 21:39

Brilliant thread!
For me:
Middlemarch
Little Dorritt
The Shock of the Fall (thanks for the reminder upthread!)
My Brilliant Friend
If Nobody speaks of Remarkable things - Jon McGregor - made me weep
The Goldfinch
Anna Karenina
Another Country - James Baldwin
Poisonwood Bible
The Bone Clocks - David Mitchell

GloriaMundy · 09/08/2024 21:43

@HuaShan , I like it here too.
The Poisonwood Bible was one of those books I was glad I read but I didn't love it. I've recommended it to people.