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Greatest novel ever written

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JoonT · 14/03/2023 22:48

What would be your contender for greatest novel ever written? And why? I don't mean your favourite novel. And I don't mean the novel that cheers you up or comforts you, etc. I mean the novel you consider the best.

There are so many classics I've never read it's embarrassing. For example, I've never read Wuthering Heights, Bleak House, Middlemarch, Emma, Robinson Crusoe, Mrs Dalloway, 1984, Brideshead Revisited, Moby Dick, Catch 22, Madame Bovary, Tess of the D'Urbervilles, (I could go on and on). But based on the novels I have read, my vote would go to Dickens' David Copperfield. Pride and Prejudice, Kipling's Kim, Sons and Lovers, The Great Gatsby, etc, would fight it out for second place.

Plenty of novels have given me as much pleasure (Wodehouse's Right Ho Jeeves, for example), but nothing else seems so universal. D.H. Lawrence described the novel as "the bright book of life," and that's a perfect description of David Copperfield. Everything is there, the whole range of human experience. It opens with a beautiful description of childhood, and the way it becomes a lost paradise, and then covers pretty much every human experience, from the death of a parent to the infatuation of sexual love (and the disillusion that follows).

It also contains more characters than any novel I have ever read. And they are so vivid and real. I doubt there is any novel out there (with the possible exceptions of War and Peace and Proust's A La Recherche, neither of which I have read) with so many people and so many voices: Uriah Heep, Mr Micawber, Aunt Betsy, Mr Dick, Steerforth, Peggotty. Amazing. Most novelists can't create one memorable character. Dickens creates at least six in this novel alone.

I also admire the heart of the novel. Dickens rejects moral relativism, and re-affirms what we all, deep down, know is true – that kindness, loyalty, love, courage, dignity, etc, are good, and cruelty, bullying, sadism, betrayal, cowardice, etc, are bad.

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GloriaMundy · 08/03/2024 23:07

I haven't read a fair few of these but am planning to.
I'd probably say Anna Karenina, but some of the others were far more enjoyable to read.

Polly7122 · 19/03/2024 09:48

There are so many classics which are very well written then there are also some modern thrillers which are also very well written so I couldn't choose,having been an avid reader since a young age

Jux · 21/06/2024 11:44

Balzac, La Comédie Humaine. OK maybe that's cheating as it's quite a lot of books which make up one whole, but I'd still put it as one. Extraordinary work.

CornflakesOnTheSolesOfHerShoes · 21/06/2024 11:52

I’d have to say Middlemarch too I think. Who was it who described it as “the only novel written for grown ups?”

But if you love David Copperfield, have you read Demon Copperhead, Barbara Kingsolver’s reworking of it in the context of a west Virginia community in the grips of the opioid crisis? Absolutely extraordinary book.

Pieceofpurplesky · 21/06/2024 12:52

Shadow of the Wind. A masterpiece in writing.

Ohnooooooooo · 21/06/2024 13:08

I cant stand Ulysees. Its a minefield for a dyslexic. As is anything Chaucer, also always considered for this.
My votes would be for:
Pride and prejudice
Birdsong
Great expectations
Wuthering Heights or
Rebecca

Potterton · 21/06/2024 13:10

I'd like to put in a word for Orlando by Virginia Woolf, it's a bit silly of course but I think she had great fun writing it.

What really stood out for me was the quality of each sentence/paragraph. Just perfect, beyond anything else I've ever read.

Mathsbabe · 10/07/2024 16:52

I have read many of these and agree that they are outstanding. I will read the rest. I am very fond of To Kill a Mockingbird but must shout out for Flowers for Algernon. It shook me to my core at age 14.

YouJustDoYou · 10/07/2024 16:58

Tale of Genji was pretty epic.

efeslight · 10/07/2024 17:21

Joining in to say I'm enjoying the debate!

ForKeenLimeOtter · 10/07/2024 19:26

Some really great novels have been mentioned and I'm glad to see Wodehouse pop up a few times, my personal favourite! I'm also very keen on Dickens but I think I'd have to say Brave New World. It's brilliantly written, very accessible, a great story and also incorporates a fair bit of Shakespeare!

AyrshireTryer · 10/07/2024 19:34

Wuthering Heights is the only novel I binned after finishing it.
Changed my university course to avoid having to study it.

Ilovelurchers · 10/07/2024 19:38

I'm not sure it is possible to identify one single novel that is "greater" than all others, because there are so many different criteria to assess this by: the beauty of the language; the relevance if the message; how enjoyable they are: the emotional response they evoke.

And it's so subjective, isn't it? As this thread shows, we all have different "greatest" novels, because novels (like all art) exist in the space between the reader and the writer, the only two "real" characters in them. They are different for all of us.

The two most beautifully crafted novels I know are Lord of the Flies (Golding) and The Great Gatsby (Fitzgerald) .

I find Wuthering Heights overwhelming for it's extraordinary emotional force.

A Fine Balance by Ronhinton Mistry is an extraordinary masterpiece of plot and characterisation.

The Island of Doctor Moreau by Wells says more to me than anything else about what it is to be human.

Recently reread Things Fall Apart by Achebe, and I feel that deserves to be up there too, because it's just so distinctive and troublous ....

Brilliant thread, OP - am loving reading everyone's suggestions. I think I may use it to make a list - I am lucky enough to be pretty well read, as my job (partly) involves reading, but am still seeing quite a few I have yet to read.....

The only one I have seen mentioned I DIDN'T personally like is Ulysses. To me, it requires to much help to understand it, which goes against it's value as a work of art entire and of itself. But I am happy to accept that others experiences are different, and of course equally valid!

GeorgiaBreck · 16/07/2024 04:17

Anna Karenina is tops for me. Glad to see lots of shouts for Middlemarch and Charles Dickens too.

Cheek2cheek · 16/07/2024 05:00

Crime and Punishment would be my vote. The concept of greatness is a hard one to define but think it suggests a novel with enough breadth and depth to attempt a working through of what it is to be human. Crime and Punishment entirely fits the bill, as well as being the most gripping book I’ve ver read.

I could equally make a case for Middlemarch, Ulysses, The Corrections maybe.

Another approach to the question would be to think of those books which take something smaller and use it as a way into everything, “to see the world in a grain of sand”. In this category I’d put The Good Soldier, Mrs Dalloway, Pincher Martin, Never Let Me Go.

LondonLass61 · 24/07/2024 15:31

CornflakesOnTheSolesOfHerShoes · 21/06/2024 11:52

I’d have to say Middlemarch too I think. Who was it who described it as “the only novel written for grown ups?”

But if you love David Copperfield, have you read Demon Copperhead, Barbara Kingsolver’s reworking of it in the context of a west Virginia community in the grips of the opioid crisis? Absolutely extraordinary book.

I read Demon Copperhead recently. I'm not usually a fan of American literature but this was excellent.

Onlywayisupmaybe · 24/07/2024 15:36

I’m baffled about the appeal of The Great Gatsby. I was completely underwhelmed by it so can anyone explain what they loved about it please?

MotherofPearl · 24/07/2024 15:50

Two books that made a big impression on me when I was an undergraduate are:

Nathaniel Hawthorne's The Scarlett Letter
Patrick White's Voss

But now I tend to prefer things like Dorothy Whipple or Barbara Pym.

GloriaMundy · 24/07/2024 15:55

Onlywayisupmaybe · 24/07/2024 15:36

I’m baffled about the appeal of The Great Gatsby. I was completely underwhelmed by it so can anyone explain what they loved about it please?

Don't ask me. I didn't finish it.

Onlywayisupmaybe · 24/07/2024 15:59

GloriaMundy · 24/07/2024 15:55

Don't ask me. I didn't finish it.

I plodded through it, waiting for it to get interesting but it didn’t.
I’ve heard it described as the best American novel ever written.

Catlord · 24/07/2024 16:08

Wuthering Heights
The Palm Wine Drinkard (Amos Tutuola)
The Idiot
Things Fall Apart
The Cancer Ward (Solzhenitsyn)

I'm in the middle of Middlemarch so will get back to you on that one

I wanted to love Don Quixote but found it and him so irritating

GloriaMundy · 24/07/2024 16:22

@Onlywayisupmaybe , I really liked it, then I just couldn't be arsed with it.

I've read Don Quixote but it was a long time ago, and I don't really remember it. I think annoying summed him up.

I read it for the sake of reading it, which seems more of a chore than a pleasure.

Begsthequestion · 24/07/2024 16:30

The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists by Robert Tressel.

LondonLass61 · 25/07/2024 10:57

Begsthequestion · 24/07/2024 16:30

The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists by Robert Tressel.

If only we were all allowed to study that at GCSE eh?

Devilsmommy · 25/07/2024 11:04

Onlywayisupmaybe · 24/07/2024 15:36

I’m baffled about the appeal of The Great Gatsby. I was completely underwhelmed by it so can anyone explain what they loved about it please?

Oh thank you, I honestly thought I was the only one😂 some excellent titles on here but I really can't pick a favourite