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Eton’s new fees

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IWantedThereThereButItsGone · 30/08/2024 14:14

Heavens …

Eton College will pass on full cost of 20% VAT to parents

https://www.thetimes.com/article/3fbec730-288c-4a14-b91e-a042c94c7ca1?shareToken=3cff257bc445f9764343feeac522241c

It’s good that current bursary recipients won’t be financially affected (and how I empathise with those parents who must have been worried) but I wonder what the effect will be going forward. The new fees are staggering - perhaps it will change the tenor of the school?

Eton College will pass on full cost of 20% VAT to parents

The school says it will absorb the cost only for pupils on bursaries, as fees increase to more than £63,000 per annum from January under Labour’s tax reform

https://www.thetimes.com/article/3fbec730-288c-4a14-b91e-a042c94c7ca1?shareToken=3cff257bc445f9764343feeac522241c

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Smartiepants79 · 30/08/2024 14:15

Article is behind a paywall. I can’t read it!

GoingRoundInOvals · 30/08/2024 14:18

Eton College will pass on the full 20 per cent of VAT to parents when it is introduced on school fees from January, it has announced.
The school wrote to parents on Friday morning saying it would absorb the full cost of VAT for this academic year only for those on bursaries. It will take the annual fees from almost £53,000 to more than £63,000.
The government is adding VAT to private school fees from January, which it says will raise £1.6 billion that will pay for improvements to state education, including 6,500 new teachers.
It says schools can choose whether or not to pass on to parents the extra 20 per cent on fees.
Eton criticised the policy on Friday, commenting on it for the first time, and said it would provide financial assistance to those who could no longer afford fees.

In the letter to parents, it said: “While this news was not unexpected, the provost and fellows regret that the government has chosen to tax education in this way. Furthermore, we are disappointed that the introduction of VAT will take place part way through an academic year and at short notice. We recognise the concern that will be felt by many parents following this announcement.”
It said the Treasury had opened a consultation period, ending on September 15, and that final details of the policy were expected to be confirmed in the budget on October 30.
“The provost and fellows have carefully considered the impact of the government’s decision within the context of Eton’s financial position and its role as an educational charity. We have decided to maintain the fees for next year as announced in May. Therefore, from January 2025, we regret that the cost of an Eton education is likely to rise by 20 per cent as a result of the introduction of VAT.
“We will be reviewing the detailed legislation when it is available to determine whether there are any elements of our educational provision which may be VAT exempt or zero rated but at present it appears unlikely that these will be material.”

Parents will know that we have no latitude to reduce VAT itself: 20 per cent will need to be added to whatever fee Eton charges and so the amount due will be governed by the level of that fee. Please be assured that we are continually reviewing our cost base to ensure we keep costs as low as possible, while not compromising the quality of the education we provide.”
The college’s 2022 accounts show it has consolidated reserves of more than £560 million.
However, Waldegrave said that Eton did not currently run an operating surplus, with bursaries funded both from donations and from income from its endowment, which also pays for its partnerships programme, educational research, collections, major capital projects and the upkeep of its historic buildings.
“Therefore, parents only pay for their own son’s education and every Etonian enjoys the wider benefits of a generously endowed institution.” his letter added.
“From January 2025 we will be able to recover VAT on certain costs and services that we purchase. Some of our most significant costs, notably salaries, are not subject to VAT and so recovery will not apply across the board. In addition, the government has announced that independent schools with charitable status will, from April 2025, no longer be eligible to claim 80 per cent business rates relief. This will add over £1.2 million per annum to our current cost base.”

Labour’s VAT on private school fees to ‘leave legacy similar to closure of mines’

Jo Thomson, the head of Clayesmore, says many independent private schools in rural areas are the lifeblood of small communities

https://www.thetimes.com/article/labour-vat-private-school-fees-legacy-hq95dj69b

IWantedThereThereButItsGone · 30/08/2024 14:21

Apologies, @Smartiepants79, I did use my share token.

Thanks, @GoingRoundInOvals.

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GrazingSheep · 30/08/2024 14:21

Oh dear.

TomatoSandwiches · 30/08/2024 14:22

We'll have to sell the family silver!

legalseagull · 30/08/2024 14:23

My heart bleeds

Araminta1003 · 30/08/2024 14:23

So when the Times leaks these stories just a couple of hours after parents are told on Friday morning (as per the article) is that because the school has told the Times in advance or because a particular journalist is a parent there?

No mention of discounts for teachers - do they go free at Eton?

This is also licence now for all schools aspiring to be like Eton (looking at the top 30 private schools) to pass the full VAT whack to parents?

Viviennemary · 30/08/2024 14:24

I think once you get into these realms £63k isn't very different from £53k. Most folk will afford it. It's probably the not so well off parents at much cheaper private schools who will find it hard to raise the extra cash.

MrsTerryPratchett · 30/08/2024 14:25

The college’s 2022 accounts show it has consolidated reserves of more than £560 million.

Shock
LottieMary · 30/08/2024 14:25

I think 53k pa is already pretty eye watering and adding an extra 10 won’t change the social makeup of the school particularly

GoingRoundInOvals · 30/08/2024 14:25

legalseagull · 30/08/2024 14:23

My heart bleeds

You do realise you are specifically in the Boarding School section? So we don't have to deal with dismissive and snidey comments such as yours.
This is a supportive and informative forum area

Araminta1003 · 30/08/2024 14:29

It is kind of interesting though because I get they have a ton of rich millionaire types but I thought they also had a lot of bursary boys on some fee discount like 30-50 per cent off. So those won’t pay the VAT at all? So basically you have to be willing to exposure your full finances to the bursar- who the hell is willing to do that rather than just go to the Bucks grammar instead? Will change the make up of the clientele?

theduchessofspork · 30/08/2024 14:29

Well they can can’t they.. so they will.

They do have a big scholarship / nursery fund, and I guess that that might get a bit bigger.

Funinthemud · 30/08/2024 14:30

GoingRoundInOvals · 30/08/2024 14:25

You do realise you are specifically in the Boarding School section? So we don't have to deal with dismissive and snidey comments such as yours.
This is a supportive and informative forum area

Yes I agree

Those poor people should mind there own business,

Us posh folk just need to instruct the servants to pass on a bit more money this year to the school

Which reminds me, I need to tell James that there is no pay rise this year for him now

theduchessofspork · 30/08/2024 14:31

Araminta1003 · 30/08/2024 14:29

It is kind of interesting though because I get they have a ton of rich millionaire types but I thought they also had a lot of bursary boys on some fee discount like 30-50 per cent off. So those won’t pay the VAT at all? So basically you have to be willing to exposure your full finances to the bursar- who the hell is willing to do that rather than just go to the Bucks grammar instead? Will change the make up of the clientele?

Anyone on a scholarship or bursary exposes their whole financial life to the school bursar, whatever the school - that’s always been the deal - it’s a pain but people willingly do it.

Floralnomad · 30/08/2024 14:33

Viviennemary · 30/08/2024 14:24

I think once you get into these realms £63k isn't very different from £53k. Most folk will afford it. It's probably the not so well off parents at much cheaper private schools who will find it hard to raise the extra cash.

This is correct

Beekeepingmum · 30/08/2024 14:34

If you can afford £53,000 you can probably afford £63,000. Probably a rounding difference for many parents.

Araminta1003 · 30/08/2024 14:40

@theduchessofspork - like I said. I think it takes a certain type of person willing to do that kind of exposure in the first place. It’s full on intrusive. Many people are too proud to ask.

Nuggetnuggety · 30/08/2024 14:40

thought they also had a lot of bursary boys on some fee discount like 30-50 per cent off. So those won’t pay the VAT at all? So basically you have to be willing to exposure your full finances to the bursar-

You already need to do that for a bursary…

Araminta1003 · 30/08/2024 14:42

Why are they not challenging the boarding element to be VATable? It’s childcare? They have the funds to do it? Too proud? Can’t be seen as political?

RoyKentwhistle · 30/08/2024 14:43

TomatoSandwiches · 30/08/2024 14:22

We'll have to sell the family silver!

😂

Moonshine5 · 30/08/2024 14:48

So a parent who currently pays £53 000 pa plus additional costs trips/ uniforms / occasionally boarding / clubs sounds like a parent who could afford that without a drop in lifestyle

TeenagersAngst · 30/08/2024 14:52

One of the biggest problems with this policy is the misconception that all private schools are just like Eton and all private school parents can afford the VAT.

TickingAlongNicely · 30/08/2024 14:57

I'm intrigued as I thought the Boarding element would need to be taxed differently to the tuition element.

Although it won't overly effect Eton I should imagine... but I am interested in the effect on CEA for Military families.

80smonster · 30/08/2024 15:07

IWantedThereThereButItsGone · 30/08/2024 14:14

Heavens …

Eton College will pass on full cost of 20% VAT to parents

https://www.thetimes.com/article/3fbec730-288c-4a14-b91e-a042c94c7ca1?shareToken=3cff257bc445f9764343feeac522241c

It’s good that current bursary recipients won’t be financially affected (and how I empathise with those parents who must have been worried) but I wonder what the effect will be going forward. The new fees are staggering - perhaps it will change the tenor of the school?

They will be the first of many. We have been told to expect 20%, DD at Greater London prep school.