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BAFTAs - discussion for black/brown mumsnetters

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BigOldBlobsy · 23/02/2026 19:04

This is obviously a very sensitive subject, as it involves the impact of racist language and disability.
So, I’m making this thread for MNers who are black or brown, brown because brown people have been referred to as the N word as well historically and may want to weigh in.

for any who don’t know, the summary is, a well known disability advocate who struggles with Tourette’s, and is part of the film ‘I swear’, was at the BAFTAS, and involuntary ticced the N word at two black male actors.

there is already a nearly full thread, with lots saying that people shouldn’t be offended as this is involuntary.

I completely agree that tics are involuntary and that Tourette’s is such a difficult condition to struggle with. However, I disagree that you can’t be offended and that it can’t be experienced as racist still, even if unintentional!

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Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 24/02/2026 21:15

CharlotteRumpling · 24/02/2026 21:00

Its amazing to me how many supporters of Tourettes there are. And how many people are just desperate to use the N word because Jamie Foxx used it. I mean, why?
Surely you have other hobbies?

Isn't it amazing that people with Tourettes are so saintly and have no human flaws.

Dweetfidilove · 24/02/2026 21:15

clickthat · 24/02/2026 14:42

It’s not weird. The condition makes him say the very most inappropriate thing in the given context.

It’s not rocket science. JD isn’t racist.

You know what- JD isn't racist...
I haven't heard that he uttered any gay slurs or ither derogatory remarks; but neither you nor I know that for certain, but we'll run with he's not racist. ..

The issue I now have with him, is that he's since dropped a word pile, but didn't take the chance to even acknowledge the persons his disability impacted.

A blind person bumps into and says sorry.
A wheelchair user runs into and says sorry.
Neither is apologising for being disabled, but as decent humans, apologise for 'harming' you.

Please tell me why acknowledging the impact his involuntary tic had on these people, is so far outside this man's scope? And why, even now, I must simply excuse him when he had full control over what he said in what some folks are calling his apology.

JHound · 24/02/2026 21:17

CharlotteRumpling · 24/02/2026 21:00

Its amazing to me how many supporters of Tourettes there are. And how many people are just desperate to use the N word because Jamie Foxx used it. I mean, why?
Surely you have other hobbies?

The question is towards whom?

And if the people who you want to use it about have said “no” why are they pursuing the matter?

It’s a rapist mentality.

JHound · 24/02/2026 21:19

Dweetfidilove · 24/02/2026 21:15

You know what- JD isn't racist...
I haven't heard that he uttered any gay slurs or ither derogatory remarks; but neither you nor I know that for certain, but we'll run with he's not racist. ..

The issue I now have with him, is that he's since dropped a word pile, but didn't take the chance to even acknowledge the persons his disability impacted.

A blind person bumps into and says sorry.
A wheelchair user runs into and says sorry.
Neither is apologising for being disabled, but as decent humans, apologise for 'harming' you.

Please tell me why acknowledging the impact his involuntary tic had on these people, is so far outside this man's scope? And why, even now, I must simply excuse him when he had full control over what he said in what some folks are calling his apology.

This is where I side eyed him. People apologise for unintended injury / offence everyday. Choosing not to do so is….a choice.

Dweetfidilove · 24/02/2026 21:25

JHound · 24/02/2026 21:19

This is where I side eyed him. People apologise for unintended injury / offence everyday. Choosing not to do so is….a choice.

That was quite significant for me, but is so typical of how these things usually play out.

RichardMarxisinnocent · 24/02/2026 21:32

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That's not what I said though? I never said their brain would come up with an inappropriate offensive word the person has never heard of. Presumably a child who'd never heard the word fuck couldn't tic it because their brain wouldn't be aware of it. But most adults will have heard or read or somehow be aware of the word, thus their brain is aware of it, knows it's highly offensive and totally inappropriate and this might tic it.

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 22:06

I'm white, so I'll only post once and then zip it and lurk, but I just wanted to say I'm shocked (although I know I shouldn't be, sadly) by some of the outright racism I've seen on Mumsnet regarding this.

Davidson couldn't help what he said, because of his condition, but people who don't have conditions and can help themselves seem to be using it as an excuse to downplay the N word, blame the usage of it on black people, and generally belittle black people's feelings and minimise racism.

It's really awful and depressing to see how so many people are reacting.

LadyKenya · 24/02/2026 22:13

Some posters on Mumsnet will use any excuse to attack black people. It is just the way that racist people operate, unfortunately. It shows how bad the problem of racism is, despite what lying politicians will tell us.

PinotGrogio · 24/02/2026 22:23

There appears to be a blatantly racist troll on the FWWR thread now. And I don't care if I am TAAT, HQ needs to take a long hard look at what's been happening in the past couple of days.

I have actually seen few comments condemning JD on MN but the absolute delight some have taken in saying MBJ and DL owe him an apology is depressing. Most people who said it not acceptable for them to hear that word do acknowledge his disability and say that it's the BBC/BAFTA who are at fault.

Madthings · 24/02/2026 22:38

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Right I am just coming back to to hopefully explain a bit about tourettes. The words arent always obscene, but they can be and they be swear words but they ARE inappropriate.

So my child will tic words to do with appearance, fat, bald, witch face (if someone fits the description of a witch from Roald Dahl book). He also has had tics of the words retard and imbecile. Imbecile I think he read possibly. Retard he has been called at school and when i heard him say it, I later has a discussion with him and he had NO idea what it meant. I have explained to him the history of the word ( age appropriately as he is 9) he will still say it as a tic even though he understands its an insult to disabled people and to himself.

Another one he has is fat bitch and shut the fuck up everyone hates you. They are just socially inappropriate and he tics most when anxious and nervous.

This evening he has told me to shut up bitch in-between a singing tic about oompa loompas to then say "may you please put my shorts in the laundry basket for me." And giving me a cuddle whilst settling him in bed to then say 'I am going to slaughter you'. As well as clucking, some complex motor tics

He can be an incredibly polite caring child but his tics reflect language he has heard at school, things said to him. And are things he knows he shouldn't say but he literally cant help it. They are MUCH worse when he is anxious, tired,overwhelmed. He is autistic, pda and has profound sensory processing issues all of these things interplay with the tourettes. The pda especially as a feature of pda is shock language to shut down demand.

Tourettes can be conversational, people with tics can trigger each other, they are impulsive. No child can be raised in a bubble, they all watch tv, read, hear things on radio or on music apps etc and are exposed to others but a child raised without profanity would have tics related to what is socially unacceptable in their cultural/social sphere.

I would say its pretty impossible for anyone to have not heard swearing but also for them to not pick up on what is inappropriate that is why sometimes the tic will be contextual ie saying something about a bomb in an airport or about death in a hospital. (My dad had an operation today and in a voice call via WhatsApp the ward he was on will heard my son ticcing in the background at one point, thankfully 'just' ticcing about grandads operation.)

The human brain is weird and complex and we are still learning.

If you are interested in understanding a bit about how tourettes impacts then tourettes action do a free elearning course. I can post the link if anyone is interested.
I work in a complex needs school and have a lot of experience with disability and behaviour that can challenge and I still learnt a huge amount.

Of course NONE of this takes away from the harm or the offense caused. But at a time where the mainstream media are demonising a lot of disabilities, the white paper has just been released with government proposing to strip rights from disabled children. Cuts to PIP and a Gov that oushes the narratuve of scroungers. Services stripped and supports non existent. Where the media constantly goes on about overdiagnosis of autism/adhd and how people are trying to play the system, some people are very defensive to any perceived insults or blame towards disabled people.

That does NOT excuse racism, but the divide and conquer technique is working well and deflecting from the systems that create the harm.

I have no doubt some people are using this as an excuse to be racist.

Some people dont understand their own privilege.

Some people dont get the nuance or dont even care to think about it?

Some are disabled people who do face daily discrimination and hardship because of that and are upset.

And some definitely dont give a flying fig about anyone and just want to stir hatred and create a reaction.

But tourettes is being misunderstood a bit.

It has not been handled well at all by BBC, the baftas etc. I have read the 'apology' from Anderson and agree it is not good, I dont think he swems to understands the level of upset. Possibly a reflection of his age, upbringing and life. Late 50's white working class? Scotland. I would hope he takes some time to reflect and understand why people are so upset. He has been failed here as well though and suffered a lot throughout his life as a result of his disability, including physical attacks. Living a life constantly anxious that you are going to involuntarily offend, hurt and upset people isnt easy.
Again this doesnt compare to the long history of racist abuse and suffering and it doesnt take away from the harm caused. But think context on all sides is important. Some of us are trying to see both aspects here. Tourettes can be debilitating, racism is abhorrent, I can hold both.

As I lay here typing this, trying to get a little boy to sleep, who is alternating between chatting away about his day and asking about tomorrow whilst also having motor and verbal tics that include telling me i am a poo and hitting himself in the face with his right arm.

JHound · 24/02/2026 22:46

PinotGrogio · 24/02/2026 22:23

There appears to be a blatantly racist troll on the FWWR thread now. And I don't care if I am TAAT, HQ needs to take a long hard look at what's been happening in the past couple of days.

I have actually seen few comments condemning JD on MN but the absolute delight some have taken in saying MBJ and DL owe him an apology is depressing. Most people who said it not acceptable for them to hear that word do acknowledge his disability and say that it's the BBC/BAFTA who are at fault.

Why on earth would MBJ / DL owe him an apology? How would anybody’s brain cell arrive at that conclusion?

JHound · 24/02/2026 23:01

I also think the statement by the CEO of Tourette’s Action was equally disappointing. They did not even acknowledge the existence of MBJ / DL - only JD’s feelings mattered.

She is concerned about the negative media and towards JD but zero recognition of the tsunami of online racism this has resulted in. She is disappointed that nobody is talking about the film but that’s exactly how MBJ and DL would feel.

PinotGrogio · 24/02/2026 23:08

JHound · 24/02/2026 22:46

Why on earth would MBJ / DL owe him an apology? How would anybody’s brain cell arrive at that conclusion?

Well we are not dealing with rational people here.

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 24/02/2026 23:27

It's not all White people but its always a White person.

2021x · 24/02/2026 23:48

Not B/B but to empathise I thought about how I would feel if a male shouted a derogatory word for woman at me.

Even if I knew about the condition I would still at least take a beat at the minimum but depeneding on what context that word had been shouted at me in the past I might need to take more that than.

As adults it is possible to have compassion for everyone in this situation. The tics and language may be involuntary but the effect of the language isn't. The social isolation from having corprolaila comes from the fact that the language is anti-social.

It would be interesting to know if the person who said it was from the US and B/B whether this would be part of their tic because presumably they would be using it in every day parlance and wouldn't be a slur. Then I guess the next question would what would they be that would be a slur to the two actors.

callmeLoretta1 · 25/02/2026 06:57

clickthat · 24/02/2026 20:07

Well it should

Only a racist bigot would say that.

clickthat · 25/02/2026 07:02

callmeLoretta1 · 25/02/2026 06:57

Only a racist bigot would say that.

Or someone with common sense enough to realise what he said was involuntary, meant no offence so therefore should have any offence taken.

Words are sounds that are given their meaning through context.

callmeLoretta1 · 25/02/2026 07:05

clickthat · 25/02/2026 07:02

Or someone with common sense enough to realise what he said was involuntary, meant no offence so therefore should have any offence taken.

Words are sounds that are given their meaning through context.

Tell that to an African American that they shouldn't take offence at a word that was used when hanging their ancestors and making them drink out of separate water fountains.

It's racist ignorance that means someone doesn't understand impact is the same regardless of 'intent'.

PinotGrogio · 25/02/2026 07:25

PinotGrogio · 24/02/2026 22:23

There appears to be a blatantly racist troll on the FWWR thread now. And I don't care if I am TAAT, HQ needs to take a long hard look at what's been happening in the past couple of days.

I have actually seen few comments condemning JD on MN but the absolute delight some have taken in saying MBJ and DL owe him an apology is depressing. Most people who said it not acceptable for them to hear that word do acknowledge his disability and say that it's the BBC/BAFTA who are at fault.

Troll posts are still there and they're revelling in being an edge lord. Could be a teenage boy but equally likely to be a middle aged white woman, I guess. After the past few days it feels like the bar is pretty low for them.

And THAT is what people on here are referring to, in case anyone is still confused. We know John Davidson couldn't help it but the MNetters who are posting racist comment after racist comment definitely can.

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 07:30

On the other threads, I was attacked by those who claimed that bleeping out the slurs was censorship, erasure, segregatiion even. I am apparently ableist.

Jiohn Davidson has given a long interview to Variety saying BAFTA assured him his tics would be edited. Is that censorship if the subject asks fot it?

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 07:43

PinotGrogio · 25/02/2026 07:41

Not only that but there was a microphone placed near him. Again, could the BBC have handled it better? And no, I'm not saying seat him at the back or in a different room.
https://variety.com/2026/film/awards/john-davidson-tourettes-tics-bafta-n-word-interview-1236671850/

JD himself says he didn't want the mic near him. The guy wanted to keep a low profile. Instead he was practically encouraged into a high one.

MissUnicorn · 25/02/2026 07:44

2021x · 24/02/2026 23:48

Not B/B but to empathise I thought about how I would feel if a male shouted a derogatory word for woman at me.

Even if I knew about the condition I would still at least take a beat at the minimum but depeneding on what context that word had been shouted at me in the past I might need to take more that than.

As adults it is possible to have compassion for everyone in this situation. The tics and language may be involuntary but the effect of the language isn't. The social isolation from having corprolaila comes from the fact that the language is anti-social.

It would be interesting to know if the person who said it was from the US and B/B whether this would be part of their tic because presumably they would be using it in every day parlance and wouldn't be a slur. Then I guess the next question would what would they be that would be a slur to the two actors.

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Presumably they would use it everyday?
Are you for real?
Honestly, if you can't post without using ridiculous stereotypes, just don't post.

PinotGrogio · 25/02/2026 07:57

FGS, not the old Black people use the n-word towards each other on a daily basis trope? I've even see the existence of NWA cited as proof of this!

MissUnicorn · 25/02/2026 07:59

JHound · 24/02/2026 23:01

I also think the statement by the CEO of Tourette’s Action was equally disappointing. They did not even acknowledge the existence of MBJ / DL - only JD’s feelings mattered.

She is concerned about the negative media and towards JD but zero recognition of the tsunami of online racism this has resulted in. She is disappointed that nobody is talking about the film but that’s exactly how MBJ and DL would feel.

Yep. No-one cares. You know what else? I feel like if it didn't involve Black Americans, it wouldn't even be news.