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When you have a problem with another black woman at work

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Jamdown123 · 16/08/2021 21:23

I have.

This woman is probably older than me, she's maybe late 40's / 50. I'm 40. I'm just coming back to work after a year of mat leave. I have the obligatory meetings set up, including one with a new manager who joined while I was on mat leave.

So I had problems with this woman before I went on leave. She does not like me, I don't like her either, but I hide it better and it doesn't interfere with my black woman code at work, which is, I don't make life hard for her, I just swerve her. I'm not trying to get any black women sacked to mess up their money / mortgage / life / dependents, it's not that serious. What I don't like about her? several things. She is a bit of an ego-maniac which I think hides insecurity, you can't have a conversation without it being about her very quickly, the having to have one up on others. I don't like that she openly condescends to people she manages, especially when they don't deserve it, are also black, and sometimes older - it just feels so wrong. Her supervisees smile through it, but you can see the angst, it's not what we do. I know this woman just finds the stress of the job hard (we work with vulnerable people) and she is likely a much nicer person outside of work, but come on. And then I think she manages badly, for example, one conversation we had where she said something very wrong and sexist about a woman who alleged rape the nmanaging someone on the case. Just awful, what she said wasn't;t just wrong, it was influential. I did challenge her on this and I do feel this is what prompted her to approach the first manager before I went on leave. but I spoke with my other colleagues and they all agreed I had a duty to speak up and change the narrative because biases really matter in my job.

She has no black woman code. Before I went on mat leave I tried to speak to her about our dynamic, just to bring it back to the centre and she ducked my 3 attempts.

So I'm due to have my first meeting with the new manager tomorrow and today I get an e-mail from the manager saying part of the meeting will be to address concerns this woman has raised to him about me.

I have been gone for more than a year. We haven't spoken in how long. You don't even give me a chance to meet the man, without part of the meeting being about you?

I'm finding it hard to keep the black woman code. Please, I really feel like dropping bombs on this woman when I go back into work. But I keep saying to myself, chill, be the bigger person.

This is a long winded one, I'm not even asking for advice or has it happened to you, I'm just sharing that I feel betrayed, saddened, angry and that I expected more. Either sort it out with me or push on, but going in after so long to a new manager? I'm finding it hard to be the bigger person, and I'm mad that it's another black woman this is going down with.

Alright said. Thanks for listening!

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Sweetchocolatecandy · 16/08/2021 21:37

Could she possibly be a self-hater and be projecting her negative feelings onto you and other Black people she works with? Just with you saying that she is making life difficult for you and she condescends to other Black people she manages.

Regardless, you need to take action if it continues, even if you don’t want to. No one should have to go to work feeling bullied or uncomfortable.

Blackisblackisblack · 16/08/2021 23:34

She's not interested in any black woman code, so I suggest you decode her.

Just see her for the spiteful, petty woman that she is, and treat her accordingly.

As far as she's concerned, there's only room for one respected black woman in that place.

Treat her with caution. And treat her like a weirdo.

debbrianna · 17/08/2021 08:28

I love the phrase above to - decode - and I agree. Black women are women regardless of race and by that we are socially conditioned to be nice either to the race or others. Conditioned not to put our needs above others. Conditioned yo favour our race even when those within that race treats us badly.
This time, put your self and family first and stop carrying the burden of society. You have a code to the other black women who came and went and those who will join and she will push out. What makes her special in this case and deserving of loyalty? What us tge exception to tge rule?

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Jamdown123 · 17/08/2021 12:34

yes, decoding in effect now. never been done before, but has to be done.

Thanks you all.

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EchoNan · 17/08/2021 12:46

Look after yourself Jamdown123, sensible move. Take care now.

hamstersarse · 17/08/2021 12:49

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EchoNan · 17/08/2021 13:12

Some squatters have turned up to police BMN discussions again.
How unusual.

Jamdown123 · 17/08/2021 13:13

I'm just ignoring.

Good practice for the woman at work!

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phoenixrosehere · 17/08/2021 13:20

@Skyla2005

Guessing you find girl code sexist then?

EchoNan · 17/08/2021 13:28

@Jamdown123

I'm just ignoring.

Good practice for the woman at work!

Your woman at work is channelling her inner Candace Owens. Defo ignore/ minimal dealings. Grin
Creuset · 17/08/2021 13:30

How has your meeting gone?

Jamdown123 · 17/08/2021 16:03

thanks for asking!

New manager shared that they also have found working with her challenging (and so do many others on the team), so that allowed me to say that I have every intention to work on it from my side. I didn't really need to bat from my end to defend myself at all.

I'm glad.

I feel better. There are definitely things I could have done better, but I'm human, and I honestly tried my best. I gave a lot of ground last time round, this time I've got even more kids than before, and my relationship is now shaky, so I've put in a lot of time on myself, getting stronger, knowing which battles to fight, and this isn't one of them.

I'm good, people! Thanks!

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EchoNan · 17/08/2021 16:47

That sounds a good result Jamdown123. You've conducted yourself with dignity, and your colleagues appear to have respect for you.
May you go from strength to strength. Flowers

Lndnmummy · 17/08/2021 18:20

@Jamdown123 well done!

DeeCeeCherry · 17/08/2021 18:30

Jamdown123
Agree with others re decoding her. She'd throw you under the bus in a nanosecond so, don't consider her feelings as she will not consider yours.

I see you're already that way inclined. I like your style🙂

Blackisblackisblack · 17/08/2021 22:49

Great result! Please don't let her dim your shine!

yname · 17/08/2021 22:58

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DeeCeeCherry · 17/08/2021 23:08

yname
I truly, truly believe that the black lady in question was convinced she was white. It was like she was microchipped. I remember asking/talking to her about random (black) stuff and she (pretended) she had no idea what I was on about

Lawd...there's always one isn't there. I'm happy to leave them in their delusion,if they're that way my motto is leave me alone & I'll very happily leave you alone. They never do though, do they...!

Just like the squatters 😁

yname · 17/08/2021 23:52

Just like the squatters 😁

Yep! But the sell outs are wannabe squatters. They have the temerity but without the 'privilege' to back it up. Hence, why they try it on other blacks..

Jamdown123 · 18/08/2021 12:39

It got worse this morning I'm afraid. We were both supposed to be in the same (online) meeting. She did not turn up. The manager sent her an email, and then after a few minutes he quietly asked me to leave the meeting because he thinks she would not attend with me there and he really needed her there (my attendance was optional, but I'm a good girl, I make it to all of my meetings!) He said he would address this with her in a meeting.

So yeah, looks like she might now be on some sort of work strike. I hope to high heavens he is wrong about this.

If not, I am going have to take a very strong line on this. She can not pit us up against one another, and I won't have my ability to do my job restricted by her antics. I will seek to contract our working relationship, as formal as that might sound. The woman might actually be wasting my time at work now.

But, hey, maybe he is wrong and she was just half an hour late to a 1.5 hour meeting.....

I'm too busy for this shite.

I got too many things wrong with this woman. For example, I once dropped her to the work Christmas do couple of years back, she commented on the car I drive 'oooh, a Mercedes' (it's not a top class one, I wouldn't spend silly money on a car even if I had it). We got chatting, my partner (ugh) who works in the city sent me a message saying come out for drinks in west end after the work do. I knew she was single and looking, so I said there might be eligible black men there, wanna come? Se said yes, but later backed out, I don't know why. I think these things might prejudice people against you, and I was silly to have done it. Naive. Because I don't watch these things, because I know they mean zilch, doesn't mean others don't. Then, I have a phd so people at work call me dr, and I went on mat leave with my third child and she is child free, but I hear she wanted kids. So, I think she has a problem with me.

The funny thing is, I have just taken on a monster of a mortgage, my relationship is in the shitter, and I have a godforsaken prolapse since the third babs, so honestly, it doesn't look so good from the inside!!! Just talk to me, I've got proper life problems, I really do! the dr bit is nice though ;p

My oh my.

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RedMarauder · 18/08/2021 14:05

OP her problems aren't your problems, so leave them that way.

Jamdown123 · 18/08/2021 14:41

Yes, I just kick myself for seeing a black woman, befriending her and then this.

Hate it when I get burned like that, of my own stupidity. But I know i'll do it again, because actually I've made good connections, and one or two excellent friends this way!

We battle on.

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EchoNan · 18/08/2021 14:48

Aw, you really don't need this crappy behaviour do you?
Treat her as you would any troublesome colleague.

Professional working relationship only. Keep a note on things that happen, dates, who said what etc. She is gearing up for something.

Let her manager deal with her, through management channels. She can't just " work strike".

I'd stop saying things like you will "try and work on it from your side".

You aren't the problem here. Don't set yourself up for someone to start saying it a " personality clash" between the two of you.

Her issue is she feels insecure around you, and resents your return to work. She knows that you have her measure, and doesn't like it.

It's horrible when you are having issues in work, as well as those at home. I'm so sorry to hear it, but don't worry about your job, just because of Ms. Decoded. Her shit, not yours.

Head up, lady, leave her to it.

(Love that you are Dr. Jam Grin )