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When you have a problem with another black woman at work

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Jamdown123 · 16/08/2021 21:23

I have.

This woman is probably older than me, she's maybe late 40's / 50. I'm 40. I'm just coming back to work after a year of mat leave. I have the obligatory meetings set up, including one with a new manager who joined while I was on mat leave.

So I had problems with this woman before I went on leave. She does not like me, I don't like her either, but I hide it better and it doesn't interfere with my black woman code at work, which is, I don't make life hard for her, I just swerve her. I'm not trying to get any black women sacked to mess up their money / mortgage / life / dependents, it's not that serious. What I don't like about her? several things. She is a bit of an ego-maniac which I think hides insecurity, you can't have a conversation without it being about her very quickly, the having to have one up on others. I don't like that she openly condescends to people she manages, especially when they don't deserve it, are also black, and sometimes older - it just feels so wrong. Her supervisees smile through it, but you can see the angst, it's not what we do. I know this woman just finds the stress of the job hard (we work with vulnerable people) and she is likely a much nicer person outside of work, but come on. And then I think she manages badly, for example, one conversation we had where she said something very wrong and sexist about a woman who alleged rape the nmanaging someone on the case. Just awful, what she said wasn't;t just wrong, it was influential. I did challenge her on this and I do feel this is what prompted her to approach the first manager before I went on leave. but I spoke with my other colleagues and they all agreed I had a duty to speak up and change the narrative because biases really matter in my job.

She has no black woman code. Before I went on mat leave I tried to speak to her about our dynamic, just to bring it back to the centre and she ducked my 3 attempts.

So I'm due to have my first meeting with the new manager tomorrow and today I get an e-mail from the manager saying part of the meeting will be to address concerns this woman has raised to him about me.

I have been gone for more than a year. We haven't spoken in how long. You don't even give me a chance to meet the man, without part of the meeting being about you?

I'm finding it hard to keep the black woman code. Please, I really feel like dropping bombs on this woman when I go back into work. But I keep saying to myself, chill, be the bigger person.

This is a long winded one, I'm not even asking for advice or has it happened to you, I'm just sharing that I feel betrayed, saddened, angry and that I expected more. Either sort it out with me or push on, but going in after so long to a new manager? I'm finding it hard to be the bigger person, and I'm mad that it's another black woman this is going down with.

Alright said. Thanks for listening!

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DeegeeDee · 20/08/2021 16:23

Would also suggest mailing the grievance and disciplinary procedures and the shit list to yourself periodically. Don't always leave it on your work system.

Good luck, better to be prepared than having it come out of left field.

RedMarauder · 20/08/2021 17:50

OP and EchoNan sorry my post was a bit garbled.

While there should be two union reps from different branches involved don't always expect another to be available when you need them or at all, which is why you need to befriend people.

Happened to a former neighbour of mine but luckily he spoke to me and I pointed out he had a disability, so he got an employer lawyer involved. Due to the lawyer's involvement and the fact there were neutral witnesses his employer just dropped the case.

RedMarauder · 20/08/2021 17:52

@DeegeeDee

Would also suggest mailing the grievance and disciplinary procedures and the shit list to yourself periodically. Don't always leave it on your work system.

Good luck, better to be prepared than having it come out of left field.

Check you are actually allowed to do this and don't actually have to print the emails out.

Only because I seen this used as away to push people out or not pay their redundancy e.g. breach of IT policy.

EchoNan · 20/08/2021 18:05

Red Sorry, I misunderstood, got where you are coming from now. For sure.
Dee and good thinking re email/IT.

Jamdown123 · 20/08/2021 19:16

Excellent thinking all.

Thank you so much.

I haven't yet emailed to myself, so I will do.

Annoying our words messaging system was changed while I was on leave, and so many of our messages have been wiped. I still have a few emails, though.

To be honest her record is shocking. I believe one Christmas party she had to be dragged out of the venue because she was blind drunk and verbally assaulted the venue staff so terribly that police were called (the one where I offered to take her to the west end with me, she should've gone!!). It's so bad, and she is still here, so I am a little concerned. Goodness knows what is going on there and why she appears to be untouchable.

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Jamdown123 · 20/08/2021 19:17

I mean, I will not do that, I will print out.

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CayrolBaaaskin · 20/08/2021 19:20

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EchoNan · 20/08/2021 19:31
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EchoNan · 20/08/2021 19:40

Jamdown Reading your update on her. I'm prompted to ask.

Do you think they are nervous of her taking a complaint against them at a tribunal?

Do you think that she's hidden behind your support over time?

I find it hard to understand why she hasn't, at the minimum, had her fortune read to her by the bosses for her awful behaviour.

I'd just let her get on with her crappy behaviour now, maintain your boundaries, stay decoded. This woman is not what having a Code is about. When you have someone looking out for you, you try not to let them down.

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