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Institutional racism doesn’t exist

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Forwhatitsworth101 · 31/03/2021 01:26

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/31/uk-an-exemplar-of-racial-equality-no-10s-race-commission-concludes

Thoughts please... I’m lost for words

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C8H10N4O2 · 31/03/2021 14:55

he only comment I've seen in the report that makes sense to me so far is the lumping together of all minorities into one bucket

as in one bucket doesn't make sense as different groups have very different experiences.

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Forwhatitsworth101 · 31/03/2021 15:08

@Tippexy

Oh sorry I think it is- the police as an institution are well known to deny any wrong doing as far back as Stephen Lawrence from my memory and I’m sure many other cases.

What I hope to discuss are the results of this government report. Thankfully it had been kindly posted so I’ll be reading it.

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LostInTime · 31/03/2021 15:08

I have not had chance to read any news today, so only saw the headlines first thing...but I cannot believe that this is their headline finding.
I am white, but I know plenty of people that have been subject to prejudice, here in the UK. How can we change things when leaders continue to deny change is needed?
I don't know why I expected anything different from this government, tbh. Is it too much to ask for to have independent, objective thinking about a society that radically needs to admit its failings and effect positive change?
Forgive me barging into this area, this thread came up in active convos.

Piggywaspushed · 31/03/2021 15:12

I haven't peeped at the bit about the curriculum yet. Looks worrying.

RedMarauder · 31/03/2021 15:14

@C8H10N4O2 the report when you start picking it apart, lumps people into one bucket when they want to deny one or more particular ethnic groups have a different experience to others.

Piggywaspushed · 31/03/2021 15:20

Waaay further back than Stephen Lawrence, mind!

C8H10N4O2 · 31/03/2021 15:37

[quote RedMarauder]@C8H10N4O2 the report when you start picking it apart, lumps people into one bucket when they want to deny one or more particular ethnic groups have a different experience to others.[/quote]
Yes that was exactly my impression. Failure to address whole areas of very well established data which doesn't fit the headline. I expected nothing else from a Mirza driven report but it doesn't make it any less damaging.

RedMarauder · 31/03/2021 15:53

Recommendation 23 is such gas lighting.

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Forwhatitsworth101 · 31/03/2021 16:07

@Piggywaspushed

I’m sure I’m only 35 so what I remember!

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Soma · 31/03/2021 16:51

Agree with @SimonJT , we thought it was an early April Fool's Day headline.

Piggywaspushed · 31/03/2021 18:29

As an educationalist, I can confidently tell you Tory education policy is all over the report. It seems this is a backdoor to introducing all sorts of educational policies under the banner of 'reducing disparities'.

RedMarauder · 31/03/2021 18:37

@Piggywaspushed

As an educationalist, I can confidently tell you Tory education policy is all over the report. It seems this is a backdoor to introducing all sorts of educational policies under the banner of 'reducing disparities'.
For white working class boys as the Tories want to keep their red wall seats.

As a group they only happen to have higher employment rates than Indian and Chinese young men who completely out perform them at school.

Funny thing is a few years ago there was a Dispatches or a similar program on racial disparities in schools and the ethnic groupings. In one school the black head said they targeted their educational help at white working class boys due to their educational under performance....

MarieDelaere · 31/03/2021 18:37

(I'm white.)

I'm disgusted with this report.

Compare and contrast with this Mumsnet take on systematic inequality in maternity contexts:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/guest_posts/4206494-Guest-post-Black-women-are-four-times-more-likely-than-white-women-to-suffer-a-maternal-death-Practical-steps-for-safeguarding-your-rights-in-maternity-care

Piggywaspushed · 31/03/2021 18:58

I am not even sure about that red. They are just Tory policies. A leak from the DfE a couple of months ago said that pre pandemic they had lost all interest in levelling up/ whatever you want to call it and were focusing full throttle on academisation. This report lays that bare.

adrianmolesmole · 31/03/2021 19:03

It's a fucking joke, is what it is. The report was commissioned by that racist Boris Johnson, which says it all really.

Piggywaspushed · 31/03/2021 19:30

This is an interesting analysis of the research methodologies.

Benelovencd · 31/03/2021 19:47

I've been avoiding this thread, the news and this report because it made my heart sink. There is just no hope of fixing anything if we won't even address it.

Yes I'm sure all those statistics that back up our lived experiences are in our heads. I don't even know what to say or how to feel. Just utterly exhausted and devoid of any hope. Is this country really safe to raise my sons in? Will their physical or mental wellbeing be okay?

FFS they are kids protesting today because they have school rules targeting the way their hair grows out of their head. I'm 4 times more likely to die in childbirth? But I'm sure if I don't like it, I must ship out right? Or its my fault for not getting over historic racism?

And the bit about colonialism and contribution to the commonwealth. WTAF? Let's just sanitise mass murders and theft and paint a picture of the Queen's happy brown and black subjects a world away being raped, murdered and pillaged.

This government is absolutely amazing in the lengths they will go and their dishonesty

Lessthanaballpark · 31/03/2021 22:13

The older I’ve become the more I’ve come to believe that society is essentially conservative.

You say #metoo, male violence, 2 women killed a week by their partners and they say NAMALT.

You say BLM, they say All Lives Matter.

You say systemic racism, they say Oh but nothing’s stopping you.

I think people need to be able to convince that everything is ok and as it should be, because what is the alternative? Change is hard. It’s so much easier to victim blame.

ceilingsand · 31/03/2021 22:40

That report is utter horse shit, and everyone knows it. They're just pushing boundaries.

JayDot500 · 31/03/2021 22:46

It's the trying to spin colonialism part for me. I can't force myself to read/ listen to the coverage anymore. I'm insulted by this report. The report itself should be submitted as evidence when the gov commission another report on the same issues.

And sometimes, it be your own people in on it too. Binfolk!

OneDrop · 01/04/2021 00:11

Utter horse shit

thank you so much ceilingsand I’ve been really struggling to articulate my reaction, in my own head as much as anything. You nailed it.

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UltraVioletRays · 01/04/2021 11:05

Have you seen their is only one white commissioner of this report.