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Institutional racism doesn’t exist

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Forwhatitsworth101 · 31/03/2021 01:26

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/31/uk-an-exemplar-of-racial-equality-no-10s-race-commission-concludes

Thoughts please... I’m lost for words

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Piggywaspushed · 01/04/2021 11:11

I'd like to think they based their findings on more that their own lived experiences.

If you look at where they got their educational evidence from (and their commissioners) it is entirely free school/ MAT/urban so I think their educational experiences lack validity and objectivity in all honesty.

Piggywaspushed · 01/04/2021 11:11

What's your point ultra?

pinkearedcow · 01/04/2021 11:24

I am white and I just wanted to say how saddened and angry (though somehow not surprised) I am about this.

I listened to David Lammy yesterday and there were some awful calls from people who are clearly racist and were revelling in the news that they are not, after all, racist (nasty tosser from Norfolk, I am looking at you in particular).

SkedaddIe · 01/04/2021 11:54

Thanks for the link @Piggywaspushed Khalwant Bhopal's analysis was spot on.

GrumpyTerrier · 01/04/2021 12:48

'Unless I directly call you a racial slur I am not racist' style.

Exactly. I believe this is how the report understood racism. Overt racism that we can spot a mile away. This report is a prime example of this type of thinking, tbh. It is an example of the problem itself.

In reality:

-A person can genuinely think that all races are equal and be anti-racist.
-A person can fight against overtly racist things like the above.
-This person can STILL have internalised racism-- and this is what manifests and non-overt institutionalised racism.

  • A person with internalised rascism isn't automatically a bad person because of it.

There is a lack of understanding about this.

Piggywaspushed · 01/04/2021 12:53

I thought it was really interesting skedaddle.

Even the Times is a little bit critical of the report today but mainly finds it great... the bit about slavery seems to ahve hit the biggest nerve. Sewell's grandstanding style ,which reads like oratory, really should have had closer ,more critical, proof reading and editing, since now he is claiming it has been misunderstood. Be clearer then, man.

Piggywaspushed · 01/04/2021 13:13

Anyone watching the news about the Nazi admitted into the Met? They never took a reference from his school ... who had expressed concerns about his extreme racist views..

BIWI · 01/04/2021 13:23

Guardian cartoon sums it up

Disgraceful.

And this:

There is a new story about the Caribbean experience which speaks to the slave period not only being about profit and suffering but how culturally African people transformed themselves into a re-modelled African/Britain

... just beggars belief.

Piggywaspushed · 01/04/2021 13:32

One of Boris' closest advisors just resigned. Not connected. Allegedly.

RedMarauder · 01/04/2021 13:36

@Piggywaspushed

Anyone watching the news about the Nazi admitted into the Met? They never took a reference from his school ... who had expressed concerns about his extreme racist views..
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56604470
KevinTheGoat · 01/04/2021 13:39

So no mention of the horrors of the Empire and all the black/Asian people who suffered because of it, then.

And of course defensive whites will point at people like Kemi or the Michaela woman and say, "See, this black person thinks there's no institutional racism in Britain, ahhh."

RedMarauder · 01/04/2021 13:39

@Piggywaspushed

One of Boris' closest advisors just resigned. Not connected. Allegedly.
He was going to resign earlier this year but was convinced to stay.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/apr/01/no-10-race-adviser-resigns-day-after-uk-structural-racism-report-published

From the link -

Kasumu’s resignation, first disclosed by Politico’s London Playbook, will not come as a complete surprise after he first attempted to resign in February.

In a leaked letter to the prime minister, Kasumu raised concerns about the conduct of Kemi Badenoch, the equalities minister, suggesting she may have broken the ministerial code when she publicly criticised a black journalist on social media, and said tensions over race policies within No 10 had become “unbearable”.

“I believe the ministerial code was breached. However, more concerning than the act, was the lack of response internally,” he wrote.

“It was not OK or justifiable, but somehow nothing was said. I waited, and waited, for something from the senior leadership team to even point to an expected standard, but it did not materialise.”

Kasumu also discussed the tension within Downing Street over race and said he considered resigning over fears the Conservatives were pursuing a “politics steeped in division”.

He wrote: “It is well documented that black and Asian people are significantly less likely to vote Conservative, despite often having values that are aligned. The gains made under David Cameron in 2015 have been eroded in subsequent elections.”

Piggywaspushed · 01/04/2021 13:41

Yes, I read that too. All very dispiriting.

RedMarauder · 01/04/2021 13:45

So no mention of the horrors of the Empire and all the black/Asian people who suffered because of it, then.

See page 8

We have argued against bringing down statues, instead, we want all children to reclaim their British heritage. We want to create a teaching resource that looks at the influence of the UK, particularly during the Empire period. We want to see how Britishness influenced the Commonwealth and local communities, and how the Commonwealth and local communities influenced what we now know as modern Britain. One great example would be a dictionary or lexicon of well known British words which are Indian in origin. There is a new story about the Caribbean experience which speaks to the slave period not only being about profit and suffering but how culturally African people transformed themselves into a re-modelled African/Britain.

It is like when racists say - "...Britain gave Indians the railways...."

Benelovencd · 01/04/2021 13:51

Yeah don't kind us taking all your land, killing your people, imprisoning them for daring to ask to be free and owning the rights to all your minerals and oil even now 40 years after your independence through our imperialist companies pretending to be African but traceable back to us, we gave you railways and some infrastructure so its all okay. Those railways just cost all your natural resources for the foreseeable future and the blood of your people. Nothing to see here folks.

KevinTheGoat · 01/04/2021 13:57

@RedMarauder

So no mention of the horrors of the Empire and all the black/Asian people who suffered because of it, then.

See page 8

We have argued against bringing down statues, instead, we want all children to reclaim their British heritage. We want to create a teaching resource that looks at the influence of the UK, particularly during the Empire period. We want to see how Britishness influenced the Commonwealth and local communities, and how the Commonwealth and local communities influenced what we now know as modern Britain. One great example would be a dictionary or lexicon of well known British words which are Indian in origin. There is a new story about the Caribbean experience which speaks to the slave period not only being about profit and suffering but how culturally African people transformed themselves into a re-modelled African/Britain.

It is like when racists say - "...Britain gave Indians the railways...."

I saw 'the upside of slavery' mentioned elsewhere. How can there possibly be an upside to slavery?
BIWI · 01/04/2021 14:23

Well of course there was an upside to slavery - for white, wealthy, male British people. The only lens, clearly, that can be used in the UK now to view slavery Confused

RedMarauder · 01/04/2021 14:24

@KevinTheGoat

Ask the reports authors.

"Oh sorry you have a chip on your shoulder and need to live in Modern Britain".

See I'm learning to be in the current Tory party and get some corrupt money.

Benelovencd · 01/04/2021 15:27

[quote Piggywaspushed]Honestly , it just gets worse:

www.politicshome.com/news/article/academic-disgusted-at-being-named-as-adviser-in-race-report-and-accuses-downing-street-of-manipulating-him[/quote]
I would be fuming and looking at legal action. Can you imagine having your name associated with this mess? All skinfolk are not kinfolk

NurseButtercup · 02/04/2021 04:00

"So, which feeble-minded government gremlin thought it would be a great idea to include my name in The report of the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities as a 'stakeholder'??? I'm not naive enough to expect apologies or explanations but will take action!" S.I. Martin 2021.

I'm being very childish, but "feeble minded government gremlin" is an excellent description hahaha.

RedMarauder · 02/04/2021 08:16

I want all those whose names where added without their explicit permission to sue those in charge of this commission.

It is the only way to stop political point scoring through the use of commisions happening again.

The entire point of commissions is that their reports are carefully collated, written and edited after collecting evidence.

This commission even failed to do the most basic homework which several journalists have illustrated without the journalists even having to look things up first as these things were part of their degrees.