PESH Deli - Taking the B out of BESH

[skihorse]

A new thread for the gabbers.

Hopefully we will find out during the course of this thread whether dear cheggers has laid a baybee or two yet!

piggy you changed your name back! Good news on the needles - any progress yet? I got some jeans like yours at the weekend too - bravely venturing into preggo shops despite still not having told enough people to avoid the danger of being outed! Blimey they're comfy - should have got some years ago, ideal for Christmas and other feasting occasions....!

Oooh yum yum curly - I've been looking for a lemon poppyseed recipe for ages...that's my weekend sorted.

Actually I'm going to my niece's 4th birthday party on Saturday....argh! Baptism by fire!

cas I made that cake the other day! It is lovely innit...

VAG yeah - I was feeling the MsPiggy vibe so much... I had same epiphany re: jeans - I have never worn clothes as comfy as maternity ones... am worried I'll never go back...

PMSL @ you all! Funny way to start the day.

silver It takes 3-10 days for the cord to break away. One point of a lotus birth is that it pretty much forces the mother to stay in bed with the baby for a week which is a really good thing (take it from me who was doing stuff WAAY too early, for various reasons). Having looked into it a lot more, there are other reasons people do this, and a lot of it seems to be to do with allowing things to happen naturally rather than artificially ripping the baby away from the security he's always known, and there is anecdotal evidence to say that lotus babies are calmer and more able to cope with the transition from womb to world. However I'd say that this is likely to be because the mother is with the baby for the whole time, there's likely to be plenty of skin to skin and breastfeeding and so on.

The important thing to me is the physiology of allowing all of the cord blood to drain back into the baby before it's cut. It may take 10 minutes - it may take longer - it won't really matter as you'll be delivering the placenta anyway and involved in other things so don't worry about the difference between 10 minutes and an hour. In the hospital though you just may not have so much relaxing leeway as they tend to want to clear the labour room ASAP.

Regarding Vitamin K. It's been shown to dramatically reduce the chance of the baby having a serious but rare condition called Hemorrhagic Disease of the Newborn. On the cons side, there was some evidence which appeared to show that babies given VitK at birth had a higher chance of contracting Childhood Leukemia. Over the past 6 years since I had LC the evidence has come on a lot. My understanding (but check this) is that there are two options for giving VitK - 1) by injection and 2) by mouth. The second option needs about 3 doses over some weeks (not sure how many) but is much less traumatic for baby AND parents (trust me ) and also apparently doesn't have any link to Leukemia.

On the other hand, the recent evidence also seems to show that the injection-leuk link is extremely tentative as well and the benefits of avoiding the Hemorrhagic disease are significantly higher. I don't know the actual statistics.

There's an NCT sheet explaining the up to date information, and your MW will know of course.

FWIW I didn't let LC have the Vit K at birth at all, but will be going for the VitK by mouth this time.

Hope this helps.

umbilical cottage pie

VAG don't get too scared by the 4 year olds. By the time yours is that old you'll be used to them! But it will be somewhat overwhelming at a party with a load of them (I still find that scary...). A) your own really is different (everyone says it but it's true) and B) you don't get a party full of kids, you get one little baby. There's a difference.

cunty AKTULEE I plan to plant it in our woods, with an oak tree on top, to capture the baby's aura which was left in the placenta and allow it to grow and grow with him, creating his own tree spirit to walk through life with him.

AKTULEE

AIBU for emailing jailbait at home with Curly's recipe and demanding it be ready for my arrival home?

VAG So glad it's all coming together for you.

Cossie Got out-of-office, my question of the day was - are you starting to get a proper bump yet as you'll now be 19 weeks and that's when it seems to arrive with a vengeance!

cunty I too thought you and stepson had been cooking bodyparts pie. Are you German?

Maternity jeans: I'm loving mine however either I've lost weight* or I was very bloated when I bought them, or they're stretching (Next own, but for 28 quid it's not the end of the world).

Am not weighing myself due to cunty*'s very sensible "wtf are you going to do about it anyway?" diatribe. I do however want to get on the scales in July so as I can proudly announce "I lost 16lbs yesterday!"

iggy You're our iggy no matter what name you choose.

I have taken to my bed over fly eaten willies/throbbing placentas. Feeling v poorly today, even too much to walk to makky d's

Fanks for advice silver but agree if you can raid your savings, private scan brilliant for reassurance exactly when you need it. There is no way on the world I could have waited 12 weeks... I don't even know how to spell paychunce.

No-one here believes that's anything other than a cover story rots... placenta pie, placenta cheese bake, placenta wellington, placenta turnover, placenta and apple crumble... got your number

hahaha I'd like to see Sophie Dahl sex that up!

ski - yep I'm deffo manning/preggoing up these days.....mostly! Tell you what though, although I have Massive Fear of being stretched into a bump, the teensy change that I have already had doesn't faze me at all. Hope to continue to be accepting of change when it's already happened. These preggo endorphins are the bizzness.

Would a placenta be more appetising if it was drizzled with lemon icing, one wonders....? (well, I don't )

carrotty I cling to the phrase that one wise BESH said - "kids are like farts, you only really like your own". Fortunately 4yo birthdays are very short, and my sis is a teacher so well able to maintain control. As with last year, TSF & I will be lurking with the Dads next to the beer table and avoiding any small children requests for escorts to the loo. Though I did dance the Birdie Song with them last year.

Morning tarts.

MW has been and gone. Husband got called into work and he was most peeved and as he left he had a puppy dog face and said "I just wanted to be involved". Sweet boy Silly git.

MW, I think is an ex BESH! She says she has a funny, I think she means warped sense of humour.

Okay so the down sides of the visit. I is a week ahead of myself. .

MW says no point doing a scan now at 10 weeks cos you can't hear a heartbeat. I just smiled knowingly shouting in my head - BIG FAT FIBBER.

Anyhoo's Husband is going to sell his body so we can have a private scan. My local NHS hospital has a private wing and I think we can go there. How does that impact on my NHS scans? Does the private hospital fill in my notes?

I am still not sure about the nuchal scan, I don't know what to do.

On plus side she didnt tell me to stop riding, just asked when I was thinking about it and what would I do with the horse. Well, I told her I have a sharer twice a week and if horse has to not be ridden for a year, so be it. Horse will not care. Horse's profeshunal career finished awhile back, so tis no worries. Horse doesnt cost a fortune to keep to we'll worry about it when we get there.

So come on post and tell me about the private scans and shiz, as I could make a call today to arrange!

rots top advice thank you.

I likes the Vit K by mouth too.

Oh and the local hospital is MW led only, so no epidurals or emergency stuff avail, whereas hospital 11miles away has birthing centre with consultants attached so that sounds much more reassuring to me.

PS - I was pronounced healthy and no risk first time mum. So that is good news.

Your placenta chat makes me want to vom although placenta in the hole also should be added to cunty's list.

Where you looking for private scan sliver? If London then I think the Fetal Medicine Centre is highly recommended and that is on da Harley St innit.

We are about 30mins from London so we could travel in. I have read on the other freds that FMC is reco'd.

I is in tears as emotional wreck, so Husband is phoning the FMC for me.

Just want proof there is a baby in there and that its doing alright!

Am still unsure about the nuchal scan. I am thinking don't do it. So if we have it and the baby is high risk, what do we do, keep chucking babies away til we get one that is "perfect"?

I know Down's babies are a massive responsibility as are all babes really, except that a Down's baby may never be independent and never leave home. Saying that I have heard about these 40something blokes who still live at home! So whats the difference.

Answers on a postcard please.

Have eaten entire Easter egg to console myself.

Silver One of my colleagues has a Downs son who is 30 now and living at home obviously. He's healthy to the point he has a small job in the community (West Sussex) and he doesn't have any of the big heart problems. The biggest "problem" is that my colleague is 63 (his wife is a decade younger) - they're scared that he will out-live them both and that their daughter (20) will need to take on the responsibility of care. She is already resentful about this...

10 weeks no heartbeat? Bloody Norah, only if there's no viable pregnancy. Bollocks. I would hear mine with my cheapo HOME DOPPLER at 10 week FFS and MW was reading it around them with her doppler, so that's utter crap. Lots of us have seen HB on early scans at IRO 8 weeks.

silver do I interpret from your post that you want consultants and epidurals on hand?

cunty SHHHH. Although I wonder whether a cheese bake with my OWN placenta would be sort of vegetarian?

LOL @ Birdie song vag !

silver I went to FMC!! They were lovely - it's all soft lighting, gentle music and calm, clean atmosphere - very lovely. Would heartily recommend it. I had the viability scan at around 7 weeks and they found a heartbeat no problem. Go for it, I'd say.

They also gave me a letter with the details of the scan laid out, copied in triplicate, for my GP, MW and me. I've had it put in my notes though I'm pretty sure it's ignored after the NHS scan's been done. Hope you get an appt soon (mine was v quick to organise).

Silver you could go to EPU at a hospital where they will scan you for free. Usually these are for poeple who may have unexplained pais on bleeding however I know poeple who have gone and given anxiety as a reason and have been seen. If are worried and not sleeping or eating etc then this can have negative effects too. You won't get any pictures and they make give you attitude like you are wastinig their time but it is just an option unless your husband is pretty keen on selling his bod.

silver If your hubby is selling his bod, any chance of some piccies?

VAG Husband rang FMC and said that they were really nice, which made me cry. Fink we are going to make an appt with them. Prob worth the extra cash and the travel expenses. Husband says you get all the info the same day.

rotters I am not sure what I want, I just know that I quite like having the option rather than know I am in a hospital where there are limits on the options available..... I don't know how I will feel or what I will want on the day, I do know that reassurance means a great deal to me. I also fink that the MW was talking utter shite.

Ski Fanks for that. Its difficult, I dont know why I have it in my head that we'll be the ones that have ishoos. Maybe its cos we are the no luck couple. Tho we got lucky by getting diffed and quite quickly.

Silver I dunno - I have a friend with Downs - he is actually the little brother of one of my school friends - but he always comes out drinking with us too.. I don't think I could terminate - but I do hear what you saying about independence... he still lives at home... but so does his older brother They are both in their 30s

I also know what you mean about having consultants nearby as reassuring - my birth will be consultant led. Much as I also trust midwives and am gearing my mind up to accepting that birth is a natural process - only you know what will make you feel happy about giving birth and PMA is what I am going for the whole way

I also read my hypnobirthing book last night - and listened to the CD - all v. interesting. I have classes booked too - anyone else doing this?

silver great news - keep us posted. Yep - all results on same day, no shillyshallying about.

igster I'm toying with them - they sound good, and mn posters have said classes are far better than just the CD (which I'll pinch from a mate). Reminds me - need to sign up for some preggo yoga too - might help me sleep better.