PESH Deli - Taking the B out of BESH

[skihorse]

A new thread for the gabbers.

Hopefully we will find out during the course of this thread whether dear cheggers has laid a baybee or two yet!

anyone seen this ?

Just while we are discussing our purchases for our babies...

cas I'd seen that I personally think it's (genuinely) repulsive.

ski pineapple??? Do you mean that I may be in the situation I'm in coz of not being - urm - - soft enough? (oh leave your dignity at the door when preggo or what). No it's not that. I'm perfectly fine in that dept. Thank goodness - I dread to think how bad it would be otherwise.

LOL @ silverback. Mine is the same and I think it's gorgeous but he gets very tetchy about it. We were sitting on the beach in Moz with his cousin, looking over at the lake with crocs in, and his cousin made some comment about if YOB was eaten by a croc, the croc would probably die from hairballs. Everyone else but poor old him thought it was hilarious...

I have to remember that stroking him like a dog Does Not Go Down Well.

Morning ladies. I am now feeling very guilty for feeling totally well and symptom free - please to be accepting my apologies?

Don't worry ski - no 5 a day happening here today. Thus far I have managed a few spoons of porridge, half a hot cross bun, a Gastrolyte and some crisps. D&V still going strong. Apparently I have the norovirus but I'm told it won't harm the baybee as he is grabbing all he needs first (selfish little monster). I have lost 4 kg in the last week.

I am Hairy McClary at the moment, but plan to tackle again when well. I remember from last time I developed a leg shaving method which I will share with you all for no charge.

1. Put big towel down on the bed.
2. Sit on the towel.
3. Have a bowl of warm water, razor and shaving foam on bedside table.
4. Shave legs.
5. Wipe legs with warm facecloth after.

However, I am now trying to think why this is easier than doing it in the bath. (Possibly it was because I couldn't get in and out of the bath last time due to SPD.)

One piece of good news. In between barfs yesterday I actually went for a walk with the foal. I cranked on the super bondage belt, lent heavily on the buggy, and took tiny little geisha steps, but it was lovely to simply be "out and about" without help. I discovered that the people who have moved into the new barn conversion have FOUR ponies in their paddock - yay! Soon there will be more horses than sheep in the village! The foal waved at the ponies and said neigh neigh while making her clip clop actions.

cosmo I can forgive you as long as you are not skinny, radiant, perfectly groomed, wearing heels, and the woman in front of me on the tour of the maternity ward.

Oh, well can I reassure you about the terrible state of my nails and lady garden then?? And I'm a bit spotty, so not very radiant looking.

Skinny and heels I am doing however.

I don't know rotty one day you want us to give carrots a shot, now you want is to give the other veggies a look in. You fickle preggo [grin} Nice new name.

I just can't believe that people buy those t-shirts for babies. The jokes might be funny between adults, but to have such slogans on a weeny child

Don't say sorry cosmo it's good to be feeling good and I, for one, am making the most of it( she says, ignoring the sore back and ribs)

Sure you've not got a touch of thrush Cossie? Can I interested you in a urinary infection? How about some weeping piles? Custard nips?

rots Well tbf, jailbait's not that bad. Yet. Bear in mind he's only 24 and has some fur-growing time to go. I iz confused - I thought you were having problems pooing or have I misread the situation?

I haz two questions for you experienced baby-mommas. i) My midwife appointments are now down to 3-weekly, should I expect a rather unorthodox and surprise internal at some point? I mean surely there comes a time when they're going to take a look? ii) Has anyone had Braxton-Hicks? I'm definitely not having them, just wondering how common they are.

Curly Funny, I was just thinking this morning that as we're all looking around for babyee stuff we should have a competition about who can find the ugliest/most inappropriate baby-item/clothing.

curly I'm being thick, I can't see the link the woman is referring to wrt the baby t-shirts.

Funnily enough I was just moaning this morning about age-appropriate clothes for little girls. If we have one she will NOT be wearing crop-tops and thongs.

One link took me ages to find - it was a baby boy in a t-shirt saying "Daddy only wanted a blow-job"

Just did a search for newborn girl stuff and found a romper suit with Rambo on it

While I am here, can anyone explain to me the thinking behind the "going home outfit"? why does baby get/need special clothes to get in a car and drive home? Should we be planning some sort of parade?

ski There is no reason for anyone to give you an internal at any stage of the procedings. I have never had one. If it is suggested, do ask why.

I don't actually know what Braxton Hicks feels like and I would like someone to describe it to me please...

T-shirts... . And I thought 'Little Princess' was bad.

Ski no one looked at my chuftie until I was in the throes of labour and then it seemed the whole of South West London had a peer at/up it. All the appts with the midwifes I had usually just involved a bit of bump feeling and measuring and listening with dopler.

Just a note on having male midwife during labour - I had one and he was the best thing ever. I was a bit wary at first (him being male and all that) but he was far better than any of the lady midwives I came across.

OK thanks pony. Nobody has suggested anything yet and I'm kind of surprised they haven't - what will they say when they see my winky on D-day?

curly Is it like a burial outfit? You know, only a bastard would bury grandma in her old knickers rather than spending 30 quid on new knickers?

ski I iz not TAHT menkul - if you would like proper breakdown of grooming - I epilated legs, shaved armpits and trimmed pubes

I have a feeling that I have been experiencing Braxtons. They feel, to me, like mild period cramps - last for about 20secs then die back. V irregular, maybe one or two a day. I'm aware of them but not inconvenienced in any way.

Alternatively I may have wind.

I have a UTI going spare if anyone wants one? Perhaps someone who is, say, crowing about being symptom-free

ski er - no. That's not my monster problem. I have - um - piles.

Clearly I'm not comfortable with this (in SOOO many ways) but we're all sharing, so there we are.

Noone should do an internal. They may in labour but I'd argue for no internals then either. What's the point? They're usually to check for dilation status but as you can be at 3cm and got to 10 in 30 minutes - or 3 days - it meaneth nothing. And it's BLOODY painful - worse than labouring - so I'm gonna say, "Keep those hands OUT of my fluffle, many thanks".

cunty sounds like BH. Also can feel like just a tightening. Usually comes on more later (last 4-6 weeks).

casper welll, I decided it was only fair to share a bit of love with the other veggies.

Ok so rots I have a question - if you don't have internals, and you don't have the trace monitor strapped to you the whole time, how do they check that the baby is doing ok and not getting stressed and that labour is all progressing ok?

(this is DH's fear as in his job he deals with a lot of cases of babies who have been brain damaged in labour).

cos

FHM and internals are entirely different with completely different reasons for doing them and totally different arguments for and against them.

Internals aren't checking the baby (other than for cord prolapse and clearly that would have other symptoms). Intermittent heart monitoring would pick up distress signals. A good midwife who is not too reliant on monitors (and who sticks around rather than relying on the monitors) will notice certain things happening by the mother's body language.

Not all baby stress will be picked up in that case and some babies may be damaged.

However, the permanent monitoring can significantly interfere with the progression of labour because it stops the mother having the ability to move as easily, stops her being in water, and worst of all gives the NHS the chance to over-stretch MWs by forcing them to have 2 or 3 labouring women at the same time so they're forced to rely on the monitors which can mis-lead (eg by slipping).

Because of this, labours will be interfered with and some babies may be damaged - and CS will be used when it wasn't needed - and mothers will have to be cut and forceps or ventouse used which could have been avoided.

There is no 100% safe way to labour and nmodern medicine has made it remarkably safer than 100 years ago. I am NOT against allopathic medicine. I AM for understanding the reasons why things are done and then for each person to make their own decisions.

I don't know what your husband does but it clearly brings him into contact with some terrible stories, many of which "could have been avoided". But remember, to CS every woman would remove all risk of birth-related oxygen starvation so why not do this? Obviously because it would cause a whole host of other problems.

It's a bit like the Obs. They usually only see the problem deliveries and rarely the normal births, so they have a distorted view of risk. I suspect it would be the same for your DH. Being in a job where you see a lot of brain damaged infants must be incredibly traumatic and I totally understand his concern.

In the end, you two make your own decisions. I just keep trying to put across that there are reasons why things are done - and pros and cons to all of those things - and nothing is ever done that you can't say no to, should you wish to.

I wish to say no to internals. I wish to say no to CFM unless there's a really good reason (and to leave me alone without a MW is NOT a good reason). If something is going wrong I'll gladly take the help and be immensely grateful for it, but I don't want to be interfered with is everything is going smoothly.

I honestly believe that with the right coaching many more labours would be straightforward (which is why I'm so pleased that tuesdaylaydee is having a doula. A highly medicalised environment is not conducive to a safe-feeling mother (because of all the associations with medical=ill, and being in an alien environment) and feeling safe is the first essential part of labour working properly. At least if the mother can get in a bath or move around properly without the distractions of wires, bleeping and hands being shoved up your nethers (and having to get in a position for this to be done which loses your focus and causes great pain when you are struggling to cope with things anyway) is just not helpful.

Ski are you serious? You stabbed yourself in the poonani with a steakknife. Jesus woman you are rockharrrrrrd. Previously I whimpered like a girl until I became so lopsided I could ignore it no more. Even the GP looked shocked.

Pony I hope you kept your hot cross bun down and are feeling a wee bit better. I can't believe you shaved your legs out of a bowl. I've decided if Mr Moo wants them silky smooth, he can bleedin well do it. And I'm only 8 weeks today. It's all gone a bit native already. That said, we've only had a bit of hows your father once in the last 5 weeks which according to Mr Moo's Pregancy for blokes is very normal as it is apparently psychologically "job done". Am I the only frigid preggo on here?

Speaking of which. I thought I had MS before (beware Twitty) well guess what? It got ugly today. Yes I have been wanting to vom all day. I lost it on the tube this morning amusingly enough. Picture the scene... me head in hands, breathing in through mouth and out through nose, bemused passengers look on. Next to me a girl on her mobile phone is doing some task which causes her phone to beep repeatedly 3 times a second for about 5 stops. This gets severely on my wick as it is quite loud and making me feel a million times worse. In the end I loudly and in a very pissed off voice ask can she stop doing whatever she is doing. She asks me what my fking problem is and I say in an accidentally slightly falsetto voice "I feel very very sick actually". She stopped. AIBU and melodramtic? Hands up.

Luckily 9 nuggets and fries at lunchtime helped.

Also feeling v pissed off with lack of maternity pay. Spent hour with HR trying to explain how 33% of salary for 12 weeks (after 6 weeks at 90%) is going to send us over the poverty line and does she want a starving baby on her conscience?

Grump grump grump.

honey no you are not alone. I had not had sex since November.

Boo to your work. I get 50% for those 12 weeks, so I should be grateful

Honey I think you were very reserved saying that you felt sick, I would have been tempted to say "you and your fking phone is my fking problem", I really hate inconsiderate noisy phone and ipod listening people on tube/train/bus.

Also honey you are only 5 days further ahead than me and we are going to be in the same hospital! I promise to keep my phone on silent though.

Frigid preggo reporting in for duty here! No action in the Sky household since conception, end of Jan! Poor husband is suffering a drought but he is kind of understanding.... frankly he has no choice!

I am paranoid at work that someone will guess. Still no news of my scan and not much time before 12wks now, have phone local hospital three times, first time, was told the dept opens at 830. So I call at 830 to be told that the lady doesnt actually start til 845! Every other time I call its engaged. Great start. Not that my dr has even asked where I want to have my sproglet. Nearest hospital is 0.3miles, the other 11. The other has a mw life unit and a consultants attached.

Rode this weekend. Horse was complete tit on Saturday. Spooking and general knobbing about, not sure if due to wind and rain or the spring grass?! Utter horror. Sunday was much better. Much more sedate and how one should carry one's preggo owner. I hope to be able to hang on to my horse and not loan it out but will have to see what happens.

MW appt on Thursday at home, bang on 11weeks. A two hour appt!!! Husband is going to join us too, which is good.

HUsband has impressed me with his preggo knowledge and knows more than me, thank goodness someone does!

Still peeing in the night, finding sleeping a bit uncomfortable. Don't really feel sick aany more. Feel rough if I get dehydrated. Still eating but not in the same manic murderous way as before.

Oh and I have bought a maternity bra this weekend. So comfy its unreal. The lady who fitted me, kindly pointed out my one larger boob. Cheers love. Make me paranoid why don't you. But she redeemed herself by being uber nice.

My work trousers are getting bit tight, so do I go out and buy next size up trews or do I buy maternity ones?? I have no idea. Also I may have to order on line and in M&S at the weekend it was like operation "make sure no one sees you eyeing up the maternity bras as no one must know we are preggos". Man, life is such a bitch.

Curly do you get any more cashola after the 12 weeks? Mine is so pants it's not funny.

Cokie let's crack open the minibar in the birthing pool/jacuzzi and send our hubbies out for burgers from hache. That beatch was so asking for it. I think my shrieking may have belied my super cool exterior.

Silver 11 miles isn't that far is it? Well says she who has never been in labour and in transit at the same time... Sounds like a better hospital if you can stand the trip? When did your MS subside you lucky cahhh? Am definitely lining up for a maternity bra - my bazookas are busting out of this 34E puppy.

Another question for you baby owners:

Where do you stand on window shutters? Do they provide adequate blackout facilities for purposes of sleeping babies in parents bedrooms? Does it matter if it isn't 100% balcked out?

Also the bedroom we are planning for baby has our boiler in an insulated cupboard which hums quite loudly when on. Do you think babies are disturbed by such noies? There is another room on the top floor but worried I will struggle to run up and down stairs all day...

Don't buy maternity ones yet, they will fall down to your ankles. And unles you are a lady of the night, this is Not Desirable. I'm 25 wks and still can't wear them without a belt, and I'm quite pregnant.

My best investment was a whole load of maternity tops in neutral colours, sleeveless and sleeved, which are longer at the front. My main prob was tops riding up as soon as I begun to swell. So in answer to your Q, get your kecks in a bigger size just to fasten under your bump and a few maternity t-shirts along with some tops in more empire line, and that will see you prob through to the 3rd trimester.

Ref boiler noise - I have it on good authority that babies sleep well with white noise in the background - many swear by leaving the hoover/hairdryer/detuned radio on. Prob mimics womb noises I imagine. Sounds like the boiler would be ideal but needless to say I'd get it serviced before the birth and get a Carbon monoxide monitor on the wall. An audible one.

Honey that reminds me of a story of the guest checking out of a hotel and when asked if he had anything from the minibar he replied "one", to which the receptionist asked "one what, sir" and he said "one minbar" having drank the entire contents of one...

Shutters in your room will be fine. Also it will be winter and therefore dark pretty much all the time so won't affect sleeping baybee IMO. You may want to consider blackout solution for baybee room? We did go for blackout curtains for mini cokie's room but as sthey are on a pole the light still comes in the top and the sides but doesn't seem to bother him too much.

Think baybee will like noisy boiler sound if it is constant.