Spring is sprung, the grass is ris, I wonder where my toenails is - Due June 2010

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Ok, here it is ladies. Nice new thread for us all to enjoy

Just a quick post to say that after catching the slowest train on the planet I am finally home! Thanks for a lovely night ladies - was great to meet you all.

Will read and catch up properly tomorrow - I need my bed now!

Hi all,
Sounds like a nice night out in London. I'm very envious but it's a bit far for me. It seems there's a Manchester contingent on line - anyone from Northamptonshire/Warwickshire or thereabouts?
meggymegmegs - I prefer sugar and butter myself! If the glucose was just in the urine, it's not so accurate and the midwife is right to just repeat - the blood glucose should be back to normal after a couple of hours regardless of what you eat.

Sorry to hear about some of the arguments with DHs - hope all is calm now.

Must buy BW - I was firmly in denial about the sleep deprivation thing (how hard can it be???) but the more I read the more scared I get. Now I realise how it's more like How naive can I be?

Hi all, can feel that today is going to be a better day

MrsAlwaysRight I agree with Madamefreckle it's bad that your MW fobbed you off about your pelvic pain. Maybe your GP could help? That's how I got referred after MW forgot to make my referral.

Saucepanman I cannot not believe your hospital. Sounds like they don't know their arse from their elbow especially the DR you saw. Shocking.

Although I haven't read any baby books myself if sounds to me as if you need to take the bits from these books (or even other resources) that you like the sound of/think would be suited to you and adapt them for your needs.

Yesterday at my antenatal class was all about breastfeeding. I thought it was going to be boring because I have breast fed before, DD very successfully and DS very unsuccessfully. I thought the reason was because he was a large boy and was so hungry that I (and my boobies) just couldn't keep up with him. I had hideously sore and cracked nipples too.
According to the BF woman and the information she gave yesterday it could have been something as simple as DS not being latched on properly. It was very interesting and a lot of what she said about sleeping and BF made sense too.
She also said that it is illegal for someone to ask you to stop breastfeeding in public.

Thanks Madamefreckle and mampam for the advice. Its nowhere near as bad as some of the ladies on here but will speak to Dr if it gets any worse.

My midwife seems very uninterested in anything I mention and just seems to fob everything off as just one of those things you have to put up with in pregnancy - for example a few months ago I was feeling very faint nearly every morning to the point of my vision blacking out. No interest whatsoever!

Saucepanman I'm not surprised you were so upset and angry. They sound useless!

Anyone up to anything nice this weekend? DH is away for his brothers stag do so DD and I are home alone! Plan to start tackling the dumping ground that is our spare room so we can move DD in there ASAP.

Hi Mampam, thanks for your reply, nice to see a friendly face.
It's all falling apart again, every time I think I'm moving on and sorted there's another night out suggested by this bloody learning support group he's in and it all comes flooding back.
I can't win either I'm putting my foot down and saying he cannot go out with his friends and look like a controlling bitch that only wants him for his sperm and money (not that he has any - of either now you mention it) or I sit back and let him take the piss and go out with other women, whether he sleeps with them or not.
How did I get to be the bad guy here ?

hi all (especially London ladies)

am sooo sorry i didnt make it last night. I had a string of distasters. Got kept back at work for an hour, then got home around 7 and found i didnt have ekys and was locked out. husband had to come home and let me in. Then I couldnt get online as some kind of nasty virus appears to have invaded our computer, so I couldnt let anyone know about my lateness etc, and then couldnt get at the instructions to get to you (hence sending this from work). To top it off, I had an awful bout of heartburm topped off with hysterical crying. I hope you had a great night, and I hope to be able to join you then next time you get together

Oh Milly what an awful situation to be in. It does seem like you are in a no win situation too. I just can't believe he's putting you through all this especially with you being PG.
It wouldn't be unreasonable of you to not want him to go out with this group of friends given the situation but I can understand you don't want to seem controlling. Can you ask him to be home by a certain time? It's so difficult.

You're not the only one who got a bad guy. My exH was a bit like this, when I was 7 months PG with DS I had to go and fetch him from a womans house at 2.30am in the morning dragging DD out with me too.
He was on a supposed night out with friends and I had a call from this woman ( who I vaguely knew) saying that DH had gone back to her house for a coffee and had fallen asleep on her sofa and she couldn't wake him up . I put the phone down, thought about it and knew it wasn't right so did 1471 and called her back immediately. Miraculously he was wide awake and drinking coffee (what in the space of 2 minutes??) so I informed her to tell him that I would be coming to pick him up (vaguely knew where she lived).
When we got home we had a blazing row, lots of the things he said didn't add up and he told me that the worst thing he ever did was get me pregnant again (with DS) . Sad thing is exH favours DD over DS to this day (but that's another story!)
Anyway I kept on at him the next day and he admitted he'd lied but he wouldn't admit that anything 'happened' (yeah right!)

I could go on Milly about how ex was when he met the OW (to whom he's now married), the lies, not wanting me to go on nights out because she would be there etc etc

There is going to come a point though Milly when you just won't be able to let him go on taking the piss out of you anymore.
Would sitting down and trying to have a serious conversation about all of this help??

Sending you big hugs and keep venting on here. We're all here to support you xx

MrsD - I'm sure that someone on my last AN/PN thread had that with the kidneys on the scans, but all turned out fine after the birth .

meggy - if you had your crunchy nut within an hour or so of doing of your sample then that could affect it yes. Hopefully that's all it was . Suggest eating breakfast an hour and a half or so before your sample next time you see mw so that it's not clouding the issue.

mampam - my hospital tend to get in touch within 3 days or so if the GTT if positive, so def take no news as good news .

aaarrrrgh for your day saucepan.

filly, these are the socksuits that I was rating highly last night.

And for those who heard about my fall yesterday, there's a pic on my profile of the graze on one of my arms, just to give you an idea of how ouchy it was/is. Am still in a lot of pain today on both arms, and my knee is incredibly painful esp if I try to walk down stairs. My groin and back and shoulders have decided to start coming out in sympathy too, so I think I'm generally just feeling battered and bruised today.

Hi all, sounds like it has been an eventful 24 hours on here. Sorry to hear about your hospital appointment saucepanman, I would have been very upset as well. Can you complain and make sure you dont have to see that Doc again. Glad your mum was there to look after you.
Mrsalwaysright I have the same problems getting blood taken but I would advise you not to let the midwives even try to take blood, they just mess up the veins for the phlebotomist and cause you extra unneccesary pain. I just insist on going to phlebotomy straight away now (after a few bad experiences). The midwifes or doctors never believe you tho, they always want to have a look (grrr) you have to be really firm. Phlebotomy are so good in comparison (at my hospital anyway).
Gibberingginger where have you managed to find a Yoga class? The closest I could find was in Dunfermline. The dunfermline class looked really good though and they do a active birth class for individual couples in yr own home for about £70 which seemed quite cheap compared to going to NCT classes or the like. There are aquanatal classes in Dundee but i go swimming twice a week anyway so cant really be bothered with that.
filly I am officially inspired by you managing to get your babies into such a good routine and am going to give it my best shot. I like the idea of the shush pat instead of controlled crying anyway and cluster feeding seems like a good idea. Did you do dream feed and how was that possible with breastfeeding? I love the idea of getting some decent sleep at night as I really do love sleeping
Hope youre feeling ok after your fall CSWS.
Tonight my WH is cooking me dinner, then tommorrow we are going to Edinburgh for the day and out for dinner with some friends so looking forward to a nice weekend (making the most of our freedom before it is gone forever!) Only problem with going out for the day is having to find a toilet every half an hour. Cannot believe how much I need to pee these days.

Alwayshopeful had the same thing with not feeling the baby moving yesterday but nothing was waking him up. Borrowed a heart rate monitor from a friend so I was reasured to hear he was ok. He woke up with a vengance last night and was moving like crazy. Think he was having a wee growth spurt as my stomach seems to have doubled in size and I had sharp stitch like pains all night last night. I guess we just have to get used to them worrying us as thats whats going to happen for the rest of their lives now.

Hi ALL,

hope u all had fun at meetup...and it must be nice of a night of baby talk and not feel like you are boring the person next to you

CSWS thanks, im hoping all will be fine with baby in 13 weeks time.
DH is confident baby's kidney be ok at next scan in 4 weeks.
And hope u are ok too after your fall

we decided to find out what baby was too to help me think of this baby as a person rather than a constant worry, and it really has helped but we arent sharing with the gp's or ds's etc. we wont even tell them we know.

i really dont like needles MrsAlwaysright
and i do my best not to eat anything sweet or have orange juice before my check ups, last time i was pg i was tested.

MW asked "oh im sure your fine did u have orange juice today?" and i said yes and damn it....and off i went for a horrible 3 hour glucose pin cushion test.

saucepanman OMG i hope you never have to see that women doc again id refuse next time no thank you i would rather someone who has a clue what they are doing for you as my last appointment with my consultant was just so rushed and i left so annoyed.

goodname, the yoga classes are in Pitscottie. She has only just started up so there was only 3 of us in the class, which was nice as we each got a lot of attention. The web address is www.elementalbirth.co.uk or you can get to it from the www.eden-therapies.co.uk site. It's 8pounds for the first session, and then you book in blocks of 6 (48pounds) after that. She likes you to start before 28wks if possible. She also does preparing for birth workshops.

I got my antenatal classes through as well, starting on 16th March (not that I went - I completely forgot). Are you in that batch? It seems much earlier than I got classes last time which I'm sure was when I was about 30wks

Hi all,

So tired these last couple of days. I'm hoping it's not going to last as I'm only 25 weeks! Anyone else?

On the subject of antenatal classes, is anyone or did anyone go the second time around? I didn't find them that helpful last time round and only really went to meet people. I don't think I will this time.

I'm itching to phone two of my friends who have just had babies. One probably delivered yesterday (I know she was induced) and obviously that is far too early to call. It's just we talk every couple of days and she's been refusing to answer her phone while overdue (she told me as much, and she did in fact call me a couple of times) becuase she was in such a spitting foul mood. I really miss having a chinwag, and actually her daughter too, with whom I get on with like a house on fire (she's 20 months and my bestie!). The other delivered a week ago. I know they're fine and the baby's name etc and she did say, 'Wait for me to call you.' I am beginning to wonder how long it is before I've ceased respecting her wishes and become neglectful. I'm also burning with curiosity, naturally. What do you reckon? I probably just have to wait, don't I?

Mampam - I'm glad it went better than expected.

Saucepanman - Oooo blimey. That would have really wound me up.

CSWS - I didn't know about your fall, but I hope you feel better today.

Really tired here too, LaT...even after a relatively good night or two I'm finding that I'm absolutely shattered during the day. Off on holiday next week so hoping that some sunshine and chilling with dcs/dh will help

Very upset to read about your dire hospital visit saucepanman - another vote here for a formal complaint. Honestly, that is absolutely shocking and I got really upset reading your update. Hope you're recovered now?

Quite by your war wounds CSWS!!! I had no idea that was what your long sleeves were covering last night...crikey!! Take it easy today Wow, you are so hardcore coming out last night and getting home at midnight on top of a massive fall....respect!

Really pleased that you managed to have a reasonable conversation with you PITAP (or is he back up the evolutionary ladder again?!) Mampam And well done to you for not losing it with him - its so much easier to advise keeping calm than it is to actually do it!

Chestnut, as long as you are ok after what sounds like a fairly stressful evening, then that's fine. We were just a bit concerned about you, but it sounds like you had a whole series of good reasons not to join us last time. Look forward to meeting you next time

Milly, I haven't seen your other thread but it sounds like things are really tough for you at the moment. Just remember you can always come on vent in here if you need to unload...I really hope you are getting some support from your RL friends and family but either way (((((milly)))))

And finally....Goodname I can't believe you said "Filly I am officially inspired by you managing to get your babies into such a good routine and am going to give it my best shot. I like the idea of the shush pat instead of controlled crying anyway and cluster feeding seems like a good idea. Did you do dream feed and how was that possible with breastfeeding? I love the idea of getting some decent sleep at night as I really do love sleeping". I mean, do you realise how utterly jinxed I now am for #3??!!!

As for dream feeds: I generally start expressing straight after the morning feed from about 2 weeks so that a) my dcs can get used to one bottle a day so they're not too dependent on me b) so that dh can give them a feed as he loves the time with them and c) so that I can go to bed early and get some extra sleep in those tough first few weeks. No trouble with nipple confusion yet, possibly because they associated me with bf and dh with bottle. I have also bf the dreamfeed when dh wasn't around - its exactly the same...in both instances we fed in a dark room with just a night light, would wake the baby enough to get them to latch on, and then basically let them get on with it. I found that by keeping the room fairly dark and quiet they didn't over-wake up, so although they weren't asleep, they weren't completely wide awake either. Then its just a case of some thorough winding (although easier said than done with my dcs ) and straight back to bed, with no fuss.

Dh is away until late tomorrow night, so its just me and the dcs tonight and tomorrow...DD is doing really well at her toilet training but its pretty intensive still...I wish I had more energy! Anyway, we're going to my dps for lunch tomorrow, so hopefully that will give me a bit of a break. Hope you all have lovely relaxing weekends, and look forward to catching up on Monday

Great to meet Filly, Bobolana, Mrs CO9 and CSWS last night. CSWS hope you aren't too sore today - you were a real trooper getting there after the day you had. Chestnut, what a horrible day you had - look forward to meeting you at the next meet up. Lovely to share thoughts and experiences with new Mummies to be and benefit from the wisdom of Filly and CSWS! Sorry can't go on now as snowed under at work.

Sounds like the London meet up was a great success - really sorry I couldn't make it. Boo. csws ouch to your poor arms - you are indeed hardcore - I salute you!

saucepanman what a sh*te experience at your hospital. No wonder you are livid.

millymolly i must have missed earlier posts from you on this subject, but it sounds like you are going through a terrible time with your partner. What a toe-rag.

goodname I know the dream feed thing works for lots of people, but it never worked for my DD. It made absolutely no difference to how long she slept til the next feed, so we simply binned it, and by 8 weeks she was sleeping from 7pm - 4pm, then before long that pushed on til 5am, then 6am etc. But if it works for your LO then clearly it is brill as you can go to bed whilst DH delivers EBM and has his time to bond with LO.

Am with all you ladies feeling tired. Am actually going to bed now . Feel emotionally drained as my sister has had a massive fallout with my parents so I'm getting calls from both sides venting their spleens and seeking advice. (n.b. Warning - this row started over my mother letting sister's DS sleep for 15 mins too long for his lunchtime nap - this is how crazy following a very rigid routine can make you!!!!!!!)

I will post here as well - it was really nice to meet you all last night. Filly, thank you again for organizing it.
Looking forward for the next one.

CSWS nasty graze on your elbow. You have a very interesting profile page and it's nice to put a face to a name. I've now set myself up a profile page....hadn't realised I didn't have one!!

Hi gibberingginger, I got the letter through about the classes on the 16th but Tuesday afternoons are no good and I had already booked wed eve ones through the hospital, means going to dundee instead of Cupar but the evening is better for us. I dont start them until the 21st April though. I am just about at 30 weeks (yippee) now so maybe too late to join the yoga. I will just have to keep swimming instead.

Sorry filly for jinxing you, sure I haven't though and you will have another wonderful baby. Seriously though you do sound quite amazing and it is really good to hear it can work, will definately try the bottle dreamfeed with DH giving it. Think he will love it anyway.

Off to Edinburgh soon although somehow our romantic day out has been slightly ambushed by little siter and BIL coming along. Never mind I love them really.

Morning ladies,i havent posted for a while,its been a hectic week for me,at work again later but only 2 weeks left before i start mat leave

I have only skim-read the last few pages so forgive my ignorance (attention span is rubbish at the mo!)

Milly i also have missed your earlier posts,but from what i have read,it sounds like he is manipulating you and purposefully making you feel like shit. You need to think about self preservation,you absolutley do not deserve to be treated this way. I am sending positive thoughts and strength your way.

at the london meet up,and what i'm sure was hours of pure gorgeous baby talk

I saw the midwife yesterday,and she confirmed that yes,it looks like i am expecting another big baby elephant.Pelvic floor exercises a go-go for me then!

Have a great weekend all

Afternoon all,

LOL at elephant LittleRobbo. My friend calls mine the dinosaur, but I don't actually know that he is huge - just me!

I've put on more weight than I thought so far. Haven't weighed for a few weeks but aside from belly, I thought I was quite trim (for me) and had convinced myself I hadn't put on much. Just off to google to see what's normal.

Oh, and on plevic floors: anyone else's getting really tested? It seems I can feel mine stretching ATM!

LaT I'm not too worried about my pelvic floor at the moment as I know that baby will be coming out the sunroof plus my physio has said that after the birth she will help me get all things down below back in working order (mainly my water works!).

As for weight....I don't dare weigh myself, I can still fit into most of my normal clothes bar jeans and most of my trousers that I can no longer do up. BUT, I have noticed in the last couple of days that my bump has substantially grown and I'm starting to get puffy ankles at times.

This is by far the biggest bump I've ever had and I'm starting to wonder if this baby is going to be like a small toddler when it pops out. DS was 10lb 14oz, thankfully I don't have to give birth naturally again!

I was massive with DD. They said she was going to be 10-11lb. She was actually tiny but I had too much fluid (which my community midwife totally missed ).

Weight is within the normal limits but not as well within as I would have liked. Oh well.

Hi everyone, still feeling envious that I missed the London meet-up.

Looks like it's been a mixed week - saucepanman sorry about your crap appointment. Your mum must have been in disbelief. But exciting news about all these babies that are beginning to feel such a real prospect now.

I had mw appt Monday - all fine. Been getting wound up about my own health though, as I have a mystery nipple condition, which I thought was just eczema. It's not responding to treatment though, which leaves possibility of something I never heard of before, but of course have now googled myself into a big worry over, called paget's disease of the breast. 9 out of 10 women with it have underlying breast cancer, so GP will be referring me to breast clinic this week. Wish I could be calm and positive about it but am being totally rubbish. Anyway at least we're onto it early and I'll know more pretty quickly.

My DS was 9lb10, which was quite big enough. MW said this one was going to be a good size too.

Hope you all have reasonable weeks - we are off to the in-laws for belated Mother's Day lunch.

Hi all, I'm back from Devon, had a lovely week and have brought back plenty of scones and clotted cream for everyone! Off to read the thread and catch up on what's been happening. I may be some time...