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skihorse · 12/02/2010 09:37

I haz made new fred.

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Ponymum · 23/02/2010 16:24

rots It may surprise you but I am actually interested in the string-tie-on-the-cord thingy you mentioned. I did not know that the foal was going to have a giant sized plastic clamp attached to her cord for the first week or so until it dropped off (light switched on in head - so that's how tummy buttons happen, durr). I would much rather it was something natural and softer like string or fabric. It was really awkward and a bit weird putting nappies on with this giant plastic clothes peg on her front.

I also have a few cultural issues about cord / placenta. Don't worry - not the placenta-eating variety! Just respect, really. So the foal's cord is burried in a special secret place that I'll tell her about one day.

givecarrotsachance · 23/02/2010 16:34

pony why surprise me? OK so we've both been through it and therefore understand the problem of the plastic tie.

There's some discussion of sterility but as it's not sterile anyway once opened and clipped, it seems pointless to worry. People are suggesting embroidery thread - plaited a few times to make it thicker and softer and possibly boiled to sterlise it, and oddly but yet makes sense - unwaxed dental floss!

'Course, if there's a problem with the 'pital refusing, you can always take off the clip and tie it if necessary (although a tie may not be required after it's been clamped for a day).

Tell me about the culteral issues... I really want to explore this. I don't know where it will lead me but it's interesting.

Cosmosis · 23/02/2010 16:35

silver the recipe I have doesn't have raw egg. Neither does this one www.channel4.com/food/recipes/chefs/gordon-ramsay/easy-tiramisu-recipe_p_1.html

givecarrotsachance · 23/02/2010 16:45

cos Just for A MOMENT I thought that you were listing a recipe for the placenta.

I really need to think about other things.

As you were.

Ponymum · 23/02/2010 17:04

rots Oh dear, will this get very deep? OK (deep breath) I have some connections to New Zealand and have learned a lot from the Maori traditions. The Maori word for placenta is whenua, which is the same as the word for land. The belief is that you are born of a place, which you have a lifelong connection to as it supports you and gives you life, just like the role of the placenta. The placenta and cord of a newborn baby is buried in their traditional land/whenua, thus reinforcing the connection between the two. More info here.

skihorse · 23/02/2010 17:54

Fuckin' placenta-eatin' hippehs.

I too thought cossie was offering us up a recipe for the placenta.

I thought you all might like this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfgq7WiHbh4 jailbait haz been busy.

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GrumpyGasper · 23/02/2010 20:44

just realised i was meant to be at my first prenatal yoga class tonight. Instead I was in the pub with iggy. Oh well...

Colleague was talking to me about not cutting the cord until all the blood/goodness is through to baby. Part of her birthplan and accepted by midwives. Not sure how it all works though...

SilverSky · 23/02/2010 21:38

SilverSky is going to lamp husband for smiling in response to my woes of feeling sick. Git. If i could pass this onto him. I so would.

Does not help that I have ishoos eg panic about vomiting, have real phobia, cant even watch Casualty.

Cosmosis · 23/02/2010 21:45

grumps glad it's not just me who's a fuckwit. My 7.30 nhs physio class was actually at 5.30. fule.

rollerbaby · 24/02/2010 07:09

Silver have you just started to feel icky? Oh gawd you poor thing. Am paranoid it's going to come on any day... everyone says 6 weeks is the time so I have about 4 days of eating nonstop to go.

Did anyone watch one every minute? JAYSUS, I;m not sure who I wanted to lamp more...the happy fucking clappy midwife or the dad who clearly would have benefited from 6 months in therapy.

salander · 24/02/2010 08:22

marning all

honey i missed it last night, boo but loved it past 2 weeks, qwality tv.

i went to the docs yesterday to, yknow, announce the diffment - WOT an anticlimax. 'oh congratulations, are you taking folic acid, ok make an appt wi the midwife in 5 weeks'

not sure wot i waz expectin reely - spose no need for much else if alls well? should anything else have happened or do i wait for midwife?

CUNextTuesday · 24/02/2010 08:28

No, no further intervention until 10 weeks or so when they do your booking in. They're not really that bothered unless something is going awry, although it feels like a big deal to us...

RunLyraRun · 24/02/2010 08:43

Is that all we're going to see of waterbirth on One Born Every Minute?? Oh, silly me, lovely, calm, quiet, natural, straightforward birth, of course that doesn't make good telly .

iggypiggy · 24/02/2010 10:28

Morning PESHlets!

Honestly - I spend a day having some lezzer love with gaspy and miss fuckloads of news

Skatey A-Fucking-Mazing news - all v. pleasing! RE: Private - you can ask me if you like. My parents were v. inistent that I went private - My dad is a Dr and my mum is a nurse - so make of that what you will..

Sorry you missed your appt gasp but was lovely to see you - am keeping you to myself - these other PESHies can keep their hands off.

cossie Fule

givecarrotsachance · 24/02/2010 10:29

I've given up on OBEM after the first episode just freaked me out. Took a lot of reassurance from mum that this isn't how it has to be, and these women are just having a bad time coz they've essentially been deserted and left to labour alone.

I've been reading in mum's MW magazine about a really old book called "Childbirth Without Fear". You'll see it associated with the natural birth movement and usually alongside authors like Sheila Kitzinger. The review was saying how although the book was originally written quite some time ago (although fairly recently updated) it's really completely relevant. The principle is, the uterus muscle is the same type of muscle as others in the body which, when worked, don't hurt - so why should the uterus when in labour. It makes the connection between fear and adrenalin, where the fear of pain takes the mother into a vicious circle of fear=adrenaline=pain and furthermore adrenalin reduces the efficiency of the workings of the uterus.

The author of the article claimed that she'd had two painful births, and then two non-painful ones having read this book (and this is a midwife). I'll buy it and let you know what I think.

I don't honestly believe that it's possible, really, to have an actual pain-free labour, but I can say from personal experience that the pain is tolerable if you're in the right environment (most importantly, with the right support). Watching OBEM is really different to my experience, and as cunty has said, noone knows how things are going to go but being prepared gives one the best chance of being able to avoid the fear and pain that those women are going through.

lyra says that happy births make poor telly. I feel that happy births should be shown more given the Government's so-called commitment to normalising birth. Maybe this programme is positive in that it highlights the failures of the policy - but only to those who understand it. General viewers will surely simply take away the message that birth is a scary, painful event and that's Just How It Is.

I don't think it's being hippy to want to minimalise interventions, drugs (these two being directly linked), fear and pain. I think it's logical.

I do think ski that it's quite amusing that you're calling lotus births hippy when you're having a homebirth because many people would think of a HB as being hippy... when actually it's just logical as you have decided. My question yesterday was, is there a genuine physiological reason to keep the cord intact rather than cutting it (and clearly cutting it before it's stopped pulsating is at best stopping goodness passing to the baby, and at worst putting the baby at risk of bleeding, and if the placenta is still inside the mother, suffocation). Where should the line be drawn? I'm honestly not looking at it from the POV of "protecting the baby's aura", but protecting him physically. pony's background and the Maori traditions is really interesting. When not brought up in that culture it seems alien and perhaps odd. But, like Jews and Muslims not eating pork, there's maybe a historical and valid physiological reason for it and dismissing things out of hand as "yucky" seems wrong for the baby.

After all, having babies is yucky. Meconium - someone should collect it all for road tarring (intended as yuck emoticon!).

givecarrotsachance · 24/02/2010 10:33

Incidentally ski neither of those mentions of "hippy" were because I felt your comment was a dig - I clearly recognised the tone

givecarrotsachance · 24/02/2010 10:35

Although obviously not eating pork is yucky

iggypiggy · 24/02/2010 10:38

cunty I meant to say - I did buy that Birth Skills book and is v. good!

rots I made a conscious decision not to watch OBEM on the basis that it would not be good for my fear etc. I think was good decision

I got email from Hypnobirthing woman today - I can start classes on 9th march if I like - just 4 evening sessions once a week for 4 weeks... Think I might do that - then I has lots of time to practice...

iggypiggy · 24/02/2010 11:30

In other news... I woke a 4am fucking STARVING... I thought I would be ok and get back to sleep but stomach was growling and I felt sick with hunger - so had to get up and eat some strawberries...

This must be the downside to an early dinner... going to have bedtime snack tonight

skihorse · 24/02/2010 11:39

rots Well we don't eat pork because them little piggies eat other hanimals and its thought the Jewish scholars were ahead of their time with the whole BSE thing. Plus, with circumcision, under the rules of the Torah it would be done on the 8th day which is the day when anti-bodies are naturally at their highest... woooOooooOoooh for the mystics. How did they knows?

I will I think find out more about the cord and discuss it with my midwife. S'funny that people would think hb is hippy - it is the norm here... mind you - zer freaky-deaky Dutch eh?

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GrumpyGasper · 24/02/2010 11:44

My fault iggy! Just shows you can't mess with what your body is used to. In my case it's eat early, in yours it's late. Maybe we should have done less eating and more lezzer loving

I had a low cal jelly on the train home... Woke up starving as per usual, but only when the alarm went off.

Parents have just staked their claim for baby purchases. It has been decided and I'm not allowed to argue against the spend. Bless my lovely mum and dad.

Looking forward to catching up with OBEM tonight. [glutton for punishment emoticon]

SilverSky · 24/02/2010 11:53

honeypie feel sick started on Monday. Felt even worse yesterday but today not so bad. My coping strategy is to eat whenever I feel sick.

Husband keeps saying i will be size of house if i carry on like this. I am coming up 6 weeks on friday.

Was so hoping i would be one of these girls who everyone hated cos no morning sickness. Eat bloody chance!

Nearly had cry last night about feeling ill and not sure i can cope. Two hot cross buns covered in butter cured me then i hit the hay.

skihorse · 24/02/2010 12:03

Silversky Crying, feeling like shit and then falling asleep is par for the course, please don't worry - you're not doing anything wrong! As for the eating, I put on quite a bit until week 8, then it eased off and from about week 10 I actually lost a few pounds, so by the end of the first trimester I was just about where I should've been.

The ravenous hunger will pass - but I think each and every one of us spent the first few weeks shovelling it down from dawn to dusk. In fact cossie and I were both getting up at 3am to eat MORE! Please tell your husband to fuck off if he wants to make unhelpful and hurtful comments about your size. Or perhaps remind him that you might've got diffed sooner if his penis had been a better size.

We've all had different pregnancies here. Some have had spotting, some have had SPD, some of us have had morning sickness. Only thing I'm pretty sure of is that none of us have had all 3. (Yet)

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givecarrotsachance · 24/02/2010 12:12

ski is spot on silver. Thing is, have a good cry about it but it will pass and in the meantime stuff your face and DO NOT feel bad about it. Just do exactly what you need to make you feel better.

ski I thought you didn't eat pork coz it's more prone to bad meat problems than other animals, for instance worms in the meat, which before modern ovens could have been a health risk. Whatever - point is - many of these things are based on what are really good reasons (although pork is now perfectly safe of course as we are now able to manage it better), and yes, the mystics were indeed - mystical!

I think that lots of people here on MN would see HB as a dangerous option and berate one for doing it - why would you do anything to put your baby at risk - but that topic will set me off again on the ability of people to risk manage. You know what I'm like.

cas good for your parents!

givecarrotsachance · 24/02/2010 12:14

ski if it's a boy, will you circumcise?

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