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skihorse · 12/02/2010 09:37

I haz made new fred.

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givecarrotsachance · 23/02/2010 14:42

Given that my BIL was killed when he was in a road accident driving a Lotus (Elise), I can say from personal (sort of) experience that they are an utterly shite car if you want a car that you can live through an accident in. No airbags, no real crumple zones - BIL died, other car (head on both at 55 or so) passenger had scratches and driver had a broken leg. Some months later my SIL was contacted by Lotus to ask where the insurance payment was to be sent to. It turns out, that Lotuses are SO crap that you buy a Lotus, you get free life insurance (for £2k or something). The clue's in the added extras, people .

A lotus birth is not some mad yoga thing WHILE giving birth although it could be argued that it would be after - for the baby anyway. It's where the cord isn't cut but is left to drop off naturally. Apparently it still pulsates for a day or so and leaving it allows the complete transfer of all the goodies to the baby. I'm trying to look into what the "natural" way of dealing with it would have been. With some animals the cord breaks at birth, and others chew through it (NO!). I don't know whether we would have cut it somehow or left it - would it have been practical for cave dwellers to have had to deal with an attached placenta (from a staying away from preditors POV?).

I have decided that I want to not have a cord clamp, but to tie it with string. The plastic clips are horrid, and really get in the way, so it seems logical.

I'll go and eat some raw tofu now. Come on, someone be supportive?

CUNextTuesday · 23/02/2010 14:46

Whatever you want rots, each to their own. Not sure I could do it, but then again I said I would never entertain trying for an epidural-free birth...

So sorry about your BIL. I saw an accident involving a Lotus Elise and a paramedic blanket ( ) on my way into work once and my dreams of owning a sporty little number ended right there.

givecarrotsachance · 23/02/2010 14:46

Or if not supportive, at least give me a POV? I really don't mind being slated as long as it's productive

CUNextTuesday · 23/02/2010 14:50

I think I'd worry about the practicalities more than anything rots, lovely idea in theory but in practice, what would the benefit really be? Would you be able to look at your baby and others and really know there was a difference/advantage?

Not trying to piss on yr picnic, just can't really see where the additional benefit is...

givecarrotsachance · 23/02/2010 14:53

cunty X post. Thanks! LOL. Point really is, I'm not sure I can do it either. I may be a bit on the organic-ish side but while this seems logical, it also seems icky, and I am also worried about people's thoughts (ie family). I just don't know.

Thanks re BIL. This was before YOB an I met so I never met him, but it was really tough for the family especially as he'd got two babies under 2.

skihorse · 23/02/2010 15:00

I find your views on chewing through the cord with your teeth and sauteing your placenta repulsive.

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CUNextTuesday · 23/02/2010 15:01

lol ski ever the pragmatist

givecarrotsachance · 23/02/2010 15:01

cunty that's really what's going round my mind. I mean, LC was born in hospital, cord cut on delivery, managed 3rd stage, all stuff I'd not wanted, and he's a bright, intelligent and loving boy with, it seems, all his aura intact .

I'm sort of erring on the side of not cutting the cord until it's well past pulsating and then using a fabric tie rather than a plastic clip. I guess. I dunno.

givecarrotsachance · 23/02/2010 15:02

ROFL @ ski.

Frankly mate, I feel the same way!

Muser · 23/02/2010 15:02

Mooched over here to see what you guys are talking about and thought I'd give you some experience rots.

I was born abroad in a country where it was normal practice to let the cord drop off. Apparently it was very stinky (rotting flesh, yummy) and put people off cuddling me for the first week until it dropped off. Poor little stinky baby me.

Muser · 23/02/2010 15:04

Although mine didn't have the placenta attached. But there was more cord left there than would normally happen. So greater opportunity for stinkiness.

skihorse · 23/02/2010 15:06

foreign country = north of peterhead

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skihorse · 23/02/2010 15:07

Is it "wrong" to want my kramzorg (cleaning/bf) team to just take "all the shit" away with them?

muser As adorable as you are now, that mings.

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givecarrotsachance · 23/02/2010 15:21

Aww hey muser good to see you! How are you?

Would you be willing to tell me which country? I have read that you need to salt the thing and wrap it in absorbant cloth while it dries up.

In answer to cunty's question, there are pros and cons. Cons obviously just practicality. Pros, well, there's a lot of controversy over cutting the cord too early. It's pretty much standard practise to do so even before the baby is born or certainly straight after (usually so the baby can be whisked away and weighed, etc, rather than staying with mum and dad for a while). Obviously if the baby isn't breathing properly, being attached to the cord is vital. Also, it seems that early-cut (ie normal) cords (before the blood transfer is complete) leads to an increased rate of low iron levels at 6 months where the baby is exclusively breastfed. On the other hand, leaving the cord to stop pulsating seems to lead to a higher risk of jaundice (not sure why) but this seems to fix itself within a few days.

Lotus seems to be an extension of this - just not sure where and when to draw the line.

VoilaAnotherGimlet · 23/02/2010 15:27

EWW GROSSS!!!!!

givecarrotsachance · 23/02/2010 15:37

am I being controversial again then?

givecarrotsachance · 23/02/2010 15:47

I have a big box of fairtrade chocolate bars on my desk to send in MAC orders with it being Fairtrade Fortnight. I am worried how many of my customers are going to end up with their choccie, for obvious reasons.

At home, YOB keeps it all in a safe. Someone take it away from me...

skihorse · 23/02/2010 15:52

If it's Fairtrade am I allowed to haggle on your prices for that authentic developing world experience?

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CUNextTuesday · 23/02/2010 16:04

Mental note to order lots of fairtrade choc nappies from MAC

givecarrotsachance · 23/02/2010 16:07

@ both of you

cunty get in quick, I can't guarantee I won't eat them all... "baby wants chocolate" LOLOL

CUNextTuesday · 23/02/2010 16:10

lol except that a) I don't have the requiste funds en ce moment, and b) I have completely forgotten what I need, even after that protracted convo we had when I sorted it all out

skihorse · 23/02/2010 16:10

cunty You'll have plenty of authentic "chocolate" nappies come June anyway.

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givecarrotsachance · 23/02/2010 16:12

ski ewwww

cunty oops! Let me know if you need any help.

givecarrotsachance · 23/02/2010 16:19

Speaking of my website, I am just uploading a load of new spring stock and am getting very irritated that I don't know whether this is a boy or girl as I want to nick stuff (from myself, obviously!). I see all this gorgeous stuff and don't know what to steal!

SilverSky · 23/02/2010 16:21

I can eat tiramisu! It has raw egg in it, non?

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