Due April 2010????.....

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Anyone else due April 2010?

I just found out yesterday I'm 4 weeks preggers after trying for our 2nd baby for a year and half, at last!! It seemed as though it was never going to happen!

Here's to the next 8-9 months!

Hello everyone,

How is everyone doing? I had my 12 week scan today and all is good, baby was jumping around like a frog!

Glad everyone else is doing well but really sad to hear bad news

Has anyone else felt like these weeks are flying by? Soon we will have lots of little babies running around

Nic why not pay for it, if it matters to you so much. I think they cost £5,000. Remember CS are really there for emergencies. Our bodies can deliver a baby naturally and this should always be our first option.

Nic I was told by the midwife i saw at my scan, who actually seemed to be quite positive that i would be able to have one, that if you tell the consultant all the reasons why you should (i.e previous experience) and then say that physically and emotionally you couldn't and aren't prepared to go through it again likliehood would be they would sign you off to have another one under the reason of previous c-section. But it would obviously be a completely different story if it was my 1st child and had no actual reason not to have a natural birth.

And not everybody can deliver babies naturally due to baby being breech, size of baby, size of mothers pelvis etc etc. But on 1st attempt i agree that natural birth should always be attempted...

Hi all - been offline for a few days, lovely to come back and catch up with everyone's news.
Welcome to Fajitas and condolences to those with sad news.
I'm now 11+1 and have my scan a week today. Been having horrible dreams related to my thoughts on nuchal test / downs risks etc which have freaked me out a bit. Also have a ridiculous fear related to the scan of them finding twins rather than just the one little bean! Am sure it'll all be fine though, I can't wait to get it over with and hopefully have good news.
hoops i know what you mean, it only seems five minutes since I found out I was pg again and now I'm nearly 3 months. Frightening! I totally did DH's head in over the weekend, constructing a massive to-do list related to clearing out the loft, moving DS into bigger bedroom, buying him new furniture, decorating etc. etc. DH thinks I'm insane but gave in to my request that he create a spreadsheet with dates on it for when we're going to do everything (he's a project manager by trade). Am blaming it on hormones but actually I really am just that anal and controlling ha ha
Hope everyone's feeling well now. My MS has pretty much gone now, which I'm a bit sad about as I loved having an excuse to eat ginger biscuits morning, noon and night...!

in my hospital, they prefer you to try for a vbac but i know its different everywhere..
Ive got my appt with the consulatnt next week to discuss the delivery.
im going to prepare that meeting, have my list of questions ready and proof-read by intelligent-and-not-emotional DP.
My labour was a complete disaster with lots of mistake from anaesthesist and midwife.
im worried that by attempting a vbac i am not only risking another emcs (which wasnt too bad i have to say) but an instrumental delivery or tears etc...
Also as my csection is still young, the midwife told me i would be considered high risk for vbac. i am horrified by tales of women who could feel scar pain during their labour...
I am tempted to not think about it and just do it. The only reason i dont want an elective is i will regret all my life to have not given birth the "normal" way.
hyperventilate
Lets think about something more positive now!!!

I still have to find out whether or not my back will break if I attempt to give birth the 'old fashioned' way (preferably by way of a consultation with an orthopaedic surgeon and not just my GP's best guess!). Had my spine fused in my teens because of scoliosis and am full of screws and titanium rods. Nothing's ever straightforward, is it?

hoops - Oh how I wish the weeks were flying they seem to be dragging for me. I feel that I have been pregnant for 9 months already!

C1ndy - I disagree, some women have horrendous birth experiences and have ended up with emergency c/s, if the first labour is difficult women are often given the option of having a c/s second time round and that is exactly how it should be.

My sil had a relatively straightforward first labour but ended up with a horrific tear which has left her slightly incontinent from both passages. She was automatically offered a c/s second time round due to the risk of making the tear worse.

Not all women are capable of delivering a child naturally and I thank god that we live in a country where we have the option of having a c/s when required. Women in some countries aren't so fortunate.

Hi All,

Spent all day doing stuff for the first time in weeks and weeks. Once I started I just couldnt stop. Got the kitchen all cleaned out and sorted. It took me hours but I am so pleased I did it. I have hated feeling so blurgh for so long.

Thanks Cinabar & JP for your thoughts re Nuchal. Just to be clear - I am not anti them for anyone else, its just not for me.

Thanks for your good wishes Neeko. Lets hope I get a date soon. My dating scan with DS3 had to be squeezed in (because I refused Nuchal) and I had to go at 8.20am. This meant OH couldnt come with me and it was the first time I had been back to the hospital since DD died. It made for a very emotional day!

I have to go away for a conference in a week and I am dreading it. I hate being away from the family. I dont know about anyone else but my confidence also takes a huge dip in early pg. I am just not myself and I seem to forget what clothes suit me. The spots and greasy hair dont help either!

Thought I'd just wade into the interesting debate. I had a vaginal birth with DD, but she got stuck and it all got messy with episiostomy and forceps. I had LOTS of stitches and still have problems realising when my bladder is fully empty due to catheter, but c-section is not an option for me this time (unless an emergency) and MW just said I'm "unlikely" to need forceps this time I would rather avoid a c-section anyway though.

My SIL has 3DC and a tiny pelvis. DC1 ended up as an emergency section under GA. They made her try with DC2 which resulted in another emergency section with spinal block that time. Then with DC3 they thought she could just try one last time - despite her notes saying she can't physically do it. She ended up with a low-lying placenta and ascheduled c-section. BIL has now had the snip to avoid any more drama!

So it seems round here they are after vaginal deliveries where possible every time. I guess every area is different though.

Hello everybody, may I join please.

I am 9+1 weeks today and am expecting my fourth 'toad' . Due approx April 25th although I do have 31 say cycles so could be later.

Am seeing my midwife for the first time on Thursday hopefully have a scan soon after.

Trying to be very chilled out about this pregnancy and trying not to think about it too much, it all takes so long otherwise!!!

Anyway looking forward to chatting.

Hi everyone, and welcome Toady!

Just to put in my two pennorth on the VBAC debate, have any of you in this difficult situation thought about using hypnotherapy to improve your chances of having an easy / natural vaginal birth? I've no experience of VBAC as I was very fortunate and had a natural birth with DS, but this was, I'm sure, due in large part to me having hypnotherapy for pregnancy and birth (which is slightly different to 'Hypnobirthing') and also followed the Gentle Birth Method which ensured I didn't tear at all, my labour was quick (8 hours) and I managed it all with only gas and air. I'd recommend it really highly, and am definitely going to do it again with this DC.

Obviously there are no guarantees but if you want to have a vaginal delivery, I'd say it'd give you a good chance of it going as well as it can. Might be worth considering?

hi, welcome toady.

i completely agree thedollshouse well said.

ds went into distress and i cant describe the fear and panic you feel when that panic button gets pressed and about 15 people all pile into your room, bending you one way and another, hands and instruments in you trying to get blood from the babys head(sorry if tmi)etc. my dh even heard the surgeon saying that we shouldnt have to sign these forms because its wasting time and he wanted me in theatre now! so glad i didnt hear that i was panicing enough as it was. then being wheeled to surgery with them pumping more epidural into me (id already had 1 put in for labour) only to be told that it wasnt working fast enough and dh getting kicked out the theatre so they could put me under.
i think after going through a terrifying experience with your first you have every right to choose what you feel will be the most calm and easiest birth for you the next time. especially with risk of uterine rupture after having a previous cs.
i read on the nhs website that after having 1 previous cs and no previous vaginal births the percentage of woman who succeed in having a vaginal 2nd birth is 30% this is increased to 40% approx if you have had a previous cs and a previous vaginal birth. not a good enough % for me im afraid.
also im terrified of pnd if im forced into a birth i dont want. even though the experience was horrible last time i was actually pleased with outcome of my emergency cs. i didnt feel too tired or drained, compared to how my friends were with their afterpains from vb my after pain was very easy to cope with (just had to try not to laugh too much, man that hurt) and i actually felt that having the 3 days to recover in the hospital afterwould really helped me too.

anyway sorry for rambling on im going to shut up about it now.

i wish the weeks were flying by too mine is really dragging.

snowtiger completely with you on the list making, im forever doing it. i like to think im just being organized but i guess i am a bit controlling

snowtiger iv never heard of hypnotheropy in pregnancy. how does it work?

C1NDY, sometimes our bodies fail us. If you had had previous emergencies you might feel differently about trying for a natural birth. The panic and distress of things going wrong is not something I would wish on anybody.

Oh and welcome toady!

I had a VBAC after two caesereans but it was a close thing.

I really had to believe in myself and my body and that I could birth my baby vaginally. It was a bit of a battle telling my midwifes / consultant that this is what I wanted and all was well until I got into the hospital after staying at home as long as I could labouring. When I arrived at hospital although everybody should have known about my history there were a few white faces when they found out I had had two previous caesereans, this is when everything started to go wrong.

I completely closed up, literally, and then went to sleep (later realised my body was resting before the final push). Everybody around me thought my scar had ruptured and I was dying, I even said goodbye to my DH and apologised.

In the end after they had wheeled me into the theatre to perform an emcs I started pushing again and luckily for me DS3 shot out about 5 minutes later.

In all this drama there was one very young midwife who could see what my body was doing and I have vague memories of her saying to the surgeon, and the growing crowd of people around me but isn't she resting before she pushes, and then but isn't she pushing now, (this was while the surgeon was cleaning the scalpel). If it hadn't beeen for her and her 'inexperience?' DS3 would have fallen on the floor as she stood at the end and caught him when he shot out.

Anyway after that experience I have decided to stay at home this time, think it will be better for everybodys nerves .

Oh just to point out I think it should be completely up to YOU how you birth your baby.

I am opting for a home birth because it is right for me. I can also fully understand why some ladies would opt for an elective caeserean especially after the drama of my two emcs.

If you want to go for a VBAC do it.

I am sure most of us would research the pros and cons of every which way to birth and reach a decision that we are happy with.

I has taken me three births to realise that it is MY DECISION and I will listen politely to what midwifes (I am not seeing a consultant this time around) and take on board what they say but I will make my own decision.

Morning all. Welcome Toady.

Not brilliant today. Had a bit of bleeding this morning when I went to the loo. Doc isn't too worried about it (easy for her!) but has brought my scan forward to tomorrow. Be lying if I said I wasn't crapping myself

Oh JPL81, fingers crossed for you, I am sure everything will turn out well. Do you have a date for the scan?

Thanks thedollshouse. Scan was meant to be next Wednesday (30th) but I've got one tomorrow at 10.20am. I want to be positive but also trying to be realistic. I've calmed down a bit since I saw the doctor but can't help being terrified. It's my bloody birthday as well - typical!

Good luck JPL81 - thinking of you.

On the VBAC/c-section debate, I'm slightly concerned that the experiences recounted here might be frightening for some of the people posting on this thread (I remember being absolutely terrified of labour when pregnant with DS, to the point of hyperventilating whenever I thought about it). So, purely in the interests of providing some positive reassurance, I'd like to say that my labour with DS was a wonderful experience and I was lucky enough to have a natural birth. Minimal tearing, lasted less than four hours from waters breaking to delivering the placenta, the most amazing hormone high during labour and for hours afterwards, and no after pains. I'm actually quite looking forward to labour this time round!

Absolutely no disrespect to the people who have had interventions or c-sections, elective or otherwise. Every birth is amazing, no matter what method the baby arrives into the world.

Oh, and on the nuchal test question - I didn't want anyone to think I was judging the vast majority who decide to have it - it's such a personal decision, it just wouldn't be right for us.

CinnabarRed, thanks. Also, on the nuchal scan, I completely agree. I have absolutely no objection to them, just down to personal choice.

Just a quick question, how many posts can a thread hold? should we be starting a new one soon?

Rtuff - 1,000 posts. Then we'll need a new one.