Heeereee comes June, its the home streeeeetch!

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Here ya go, new thread! We're almost there!!!!!

Feeling very grumpy and have a headache and feel sick after a dire MW appointment this morning as I said last night, it was my first in the state system here in Spain as I have been going privately until now. I got there 10 mins early (any longer with a 13m old in a dr surgery crammed with sick people is a bad idea in my opinion) and he was shouting my name as I went in. I apologised and said I didn?t think I was late and he replied that I was then proceeded to give my DS filthy looks whenever he made a sound. He refused to accept any of my previous blood results etc, was very rude when I explained that I did not have or want the double test because the NF scan results were adequate for me. He then said that given my age (35) I should have the O?Sullivan GD test, I said that beyond my age there were no indicators and therefore I had declined one privately, he told me that that was stupid and I must have it. He then proceeded to doubt my medical history (previous MC, no period between DS and getting pg again, having PCOS, 100% natural birth last time, allergies to penicillin and voltarol) and told me that I had to spend 2 hours in the surgery next Thurs morning having all my bloods repeated etc. He refused to let me take my bikers boots off before weighing me and then claimed that my 1.5kg increase in the last 4 weeks was down to GD he did take my BP but didn?t listen to the baby?s heartbeat or measure the fundal length or ask how I was in any way. I was given the dates for my AN classes which start next week. They are at crazy times and I don?t think DH will be able to come let alone me get cover for DS. We were there for 1 ½ hours and both DS and I were so hot and bothered when we left. The joys! They are so bureaucratic here; I even had to try to remember when I had my first period (month and year ) I guess with some of the failings of the NHS you could argue that it?s better to be safe than sorry but I just feel fed up at the mo. Thanks for listening!

laura I so wish I had staff as dedicated as you, they are lucky to have you, you know.
Maybe try and post in the pregnancy thread as someone else suggested.
Call the midwife, she's heard it all before and will be able to help.

I went to see a physio for pelvic pain and she was great at showing me how to sit, stand, turn in bed etc and it has helped loads. I'm seeing her again on Monday to see what other exercises I can do.

I'm very teary today, feeling really useless at work and wishing I could just stop. (drawback of running your own business huh...)

We're taking some time off this afternoon and we've go the next nct class to look forward to tonight, that should cheer me up!

I don't want to go on about my beloved pillow, and I swear I'm not on commission, but I really have found it helped my backache. Nothing so bad as full-blown SPD but lower backache, ligament stretching and discomfort walking after long periods of sitting. Sleeping with the cushion, watching telly whilst sitting on an exercise ball and remembering to get up and walk around/do some squats and exercise my legs every couple of hours has made it much better.

MrsMc I'm on your behalf. Nothing worse than a medic who treats you as though you're a moron despite clear evidence that you are very well informed. The first thing to do if GD is suspected is to measure the fundus. Are the midwives any good over there? Hope you don't have to see him again.

mrsmcjr I'm sorry to hear about your mw app. Was this all in Spanish?
Sometimes the way people come across in a different language is not the way they mean to ifswim.

It is frustrating when you feel like you are not listened to and treated like a number!
Do you have to go through with them if you are still being seen privately? (or are you not carrying on privately?).

It did my head in when I was weighed after drinking 2l of water for the scan and had my jacket and my shoes on, wtf are they trying to do exactly??

I don't think I can remember when my first period was.
I hope the rest of the day goes better for you, I just had tea and a chocolate biscuit...

June ? re another baby do you mean ambitious from a fertility perspective soon after having one or from a looking after more than one perspective? I did not take any contraception after I had DS. I was exclusively breastfeeding until he was 7 months old and I only started to get signs of returning fertility a couple of weeks before I got pregnant with this baby. It is possible to ovulate when you are breastfeeding if there are more than 4 hours between feeds (otherwise the feeding signal suppresses the ovulation one) but most people I know found that it was about 6-8 months after the birth before they got a period when exclusively breastfeeding. Funnily enough, amongst my friends, fertility returned faster after the 2nd child. Hope NCT cheers you up tonight, sure it will focusing on your baby and not work

Ermintrude ? you are so right about the ?feeling? of a property. DH and I bought 2 houses together back in the UK and I totally understand what you mean. Here though there is always going to be an element of sacrifice for a while as we have down scaled quite a lot from what we are used to but I am sure we?ll find one that we can be happy in. LOL I didn?t even fancy Nathan Petrelli! Your comment about people?s reactions to your having kids is so true, there is always pressure, it goes something like this: Got a boyfriend yet? When are you getting engaged? When are you getting married? You pregnant yet, don?t leave it too long? When are you having another? Oh pregnant again, what a lot of work (and this from my sister) having a 3rd? Must have been an accident, so much on your plate already! What are you rabbits? People hey!

Hey Tibsy

Lauraloo ? poor you with all these pains, can you contact the physio again to talk about to?

Won?t be taking photos of my bare bump as it is covered in bruises from my injections, not very pleasing to the eye

Insy ? your age gaps sound great. Your body must have got into the swing of getting pregnant and liked it

Tee ? you do produce excess saliva when pregnant.

Choccie ? I?m hoping my 2 will enjoy each others company like your boys do sorry you lost your post, infuriating!

ps: my "fundal length"has not been measured, what is it?

June from, I think, about 24 wks, at your ante-natal appts the MW will measure where the top of your uterus reaches to from your pubic bone (while you are lying on your back) which gives an idea of how big the baby is. There's a standard length per week of gestation so if the measurement is significantly out, too big or too small, they might look into it with a further scan, blood test, glucose tolerance test or whatever. Too big and it could suggest GD (gestational diabetes), too small and there may be other issues.

Mine hasn't been measured yet but I expect it will be at my 28 week appt at the end of this month.

mrsmcjr I haven't actually thought further than just ambitious but yeah, from both perspectives.

As the sonographer found a (tiny) fibroid in my uterus I am slightly worried I may not be able to conveive again as easily. Mw said not to worry as clearly it hasn't stopped me conceiving this time round but how can she know the fibroid was there before and not appeared since?

We definitely know we want more than one child and I already sometimes wish we started sooner in our relationship.

I think seeing how I feel after birth is the best way forward.
In that case I may have to consider some kind of contraception even if it's for a short time as I have read that breastfeeding acts as a contraception but not a reliable one.

Does anyone you know what the soonest you can conveive is after birth and what kind of contraception is available?

There were two sisters in my class who were just over 9 months apart . Not sure if their mother was b/feeding but fertility can return at once after birth - that woman obviously ovulated and had intercourse a week or two after the first birth (they were numbers 5 and 6 of what turned out to be 9 DC). My periods returned after 10 months with DD and 7 months with DS - in both cases I was still b/feeding and expressing whilst at work. But of course I don't know if I was ovulating. Maybe think about a non-hormonal ie. barrier form of contraception for the first few months, and then start trying? I found having a new baby was a pretty good form of birth control on its own

Afternoon all

juicy, thinking of you x

Bloody hell MrsMcJnr, not a fun morning at all You have to be 37 here to be considered for the gtt if done just on age alone. It's fairly standard over here (as i'm sure you know) to redo bloods at 28 weeks, could that be anything to do with it? Do you have to go back, could you carry on privately? Sounds like a MUCH better service!

tee, great picture, i'm another one who keeps meaning to take photos and never gets round to it! Have you got your scan coming up? Hope it all goes well

laura, go back to the midwife and ask if she thinks you should be referred to a physio, hope your day gets better. Remember, carrot cake, one of your five a day!

ermintrude and MrsMcJnr, I think you should go into business together. Maternity pillows with famous fanciable faces on them, they'd go down a bomb Oooh and a second line in pillows for the poor neglected dhs!

I saw the physio this morning, almost forgot after yesterdays appointment. She was lovely, gave me loads of tips on moving comfortably and a few exercises to do, including PF exercises! She's given me a really good support belt too, felt different the moment I put it on, obviously not a cure but very supportive I've also got crutches now, not what I was expecting but again takes some of the pressure off so walking is a little less painful!

Almost forgot, june, there's 11 months between 2 of my cousins, so as ermintrude said, fertility can return very quickly!

june - I was told fertility can return straight away too, I'd use something like pill (if you feel comfortable with that - personally not for me as my hormones are not right anyway) or we used condoms when ds was tiny, I did go for coil fitting but they found it difficult (I have a retroverted uterus) and told me I'd have to see someone more specialist at family planning clinic I sacked it off as a bad idea as I knew I wanted more quickly and couldn't face having them mess with me again only to have it taken out after few months - if you have fibroid then prob not a good option anyway. I worried loads about having more children after getting pregnant with ds1 (found out I was 8 weeks during rountine scan with infertility clinic hadn't even started treatment) my last period was 2004 so I'm kind of wondering how I work out not to get pregnant now
Don't worry about contraception options yet if your mw's are anything like ours they'll be giving you leaflets and options the moment the baby pops out like your a drain on their resources and it would be foolish to get pregnant again
also they start measuring my bump at 28 wks too

MrsMcJ - sorry you had such a rubbish appointment, they are hard enough when you have to take other dc's let alone when the mw is an arse - hope you see someone else next time

hi all
mrsmc and on your behalf. what a horrible experience. i hope you dont get him again. first period???? as in VERY first period, who would know that???????

re. the age gaps 12 years was fab!!! meant i got to sleep if i needed to (after giving up work of course) when ds was at school. dd, alas gave up her naps aaaaaaaaaages ago, so i'm missing that this time round

really feeling for you lovely ladies working and those of you suffering with pains. need to give myself a kick up the bum and stop feeling sorry for myself just for feeling tired.....

bigcar pleased to hear that 3rd labour went ok. i've been hearing some really mixed reviews, so thats good to hear.

ermin are you expecting your 3rd too then? sorry, have lost track of whos got how many etc, this thread is sooooo fast

june yay for the tea and choccie biscuit therapy. hope you enjoy tonight. have they mentioned what they might do with
the fibroid after you have your bubba??

hope everyone is being treated to some sunshine where they are??

tibsy yes, 3rd AND LAST dc expected here!

umm - the date I started menstruating is my memorable date for my bank account... ahem... doesn't everyone know theirs?

Ermin uhhhh, no, i had trouble remembering my last, let alone my first i think thats great..... wierd but great

insy are you expecting no 3 too?

yes no 3 - think its our last, would love 4 but practicalities of finance, house size and my body having had enough might prevail - plus dh has plans at the moment to rush out and get snip he believes 3 is enough, his reason... cars

ermin and insy, whats that song??? 3 is the magic number

dp would love 4, i keep thinking of the same things youre considering insy. we've only got a 2 bed house for a start!!! ds is moving into the cellar tho so dd will move into his old room and have it to herself until this lo is old enough to move in with her. good job we're only little people!!!!! years ago i suppose, there would have been really big families in the same space
lol at your dh's reason, cars

Hello again girls

I briefly popped in ages ago, as a fellow June-r, but was expecting it all to go wrong. It hasn't, and I'm now 23 weeks, due on 28 June. All feels rather unreal, notwithstanding poundings from within by Him Indoors.

Brief summary of me:
v old - 43,
first baby, after four miscarriages and being turned down for adoption
All v good so far
Have no baby equipment, other than the odd cute garment
Have heart set on Stokke Xplory pushchair, but paltry maternity pay, so will probably have to settle for supermarket trolley.

Look forward to getting to know you all. I did 'meet' Mrs Mc Jr on a pg after miscarriage thread a couple of years ago. I miscarried again, while she went on to have her son.

right, gotta dash, just wanted to say hi herbaceous glad to hear that everything is going well for you after what sounds like a very traumatic time. like the idea of a supermarket trolley, could get loads in there

Trolley could be very practical - forward or rear facing baby, suitable from birth (with a bit of padding), and doubles up as a playpen. Surely the credit crunch solution!

Tibsy - yes, it was all rather traumatic. First MC at six weeks, second at 10 (involving blood-filled trip to A&E, and being made to carry the miscarried baby in a bottle down an endless corridor), third MC at 13 weeks (discovered at 12-week scan), fourth at 11 weeks (after taking every drug prescribed by v expensive consultant).

Turned down for adoption last summer, and six months of buggering around. Got a new job in August last year, we were going to have a final push and try IVF, but while I was waiting for my period to start, so I could go on the drugs, I discovered I was pregnant! Something of a miracle. Never in my wildest dreams expected to get this far. Even now my mind won't let me envisage seeing the baby, or playing with him. Just in case...

Hi all! Hi Herbaceous - sorry to hear about your past experiences, but hooray for this little bean!

Sorry to hear about your shitty appointment MrsMcJnr - so much for bedside manner!

Lauraloo - try ringing the midwife. It sounds like my SPD pain, but obviously might not be so s/he'll best advise you.

All good here. Managed to get a free buggyboard from my SIL today which is a bonus. I've heard they can be crap for people with back problems, but hey, it's free!

Physio pummelled the hell out of me today for whiplash injury. It was agony, but good agony if you know what I mean (no, I'm not into S&M ). Oh, and solicitor has contacted me and they've agreed my payout. Hooray!! Felt a bit guilty for claiming as I hate those freakin' adverts 'have you been injured in an accident.....' bla bla bla. However, after 6 months of physio I'm still in pain and everyone told me that I should claim as who knows how long it'll go on for, and how much I'll have to pay out in physio. Anyway, a good day all round.

I'm absolutely wiped-out energy-wise at the moment. I could sleep forever! I was supposed to go to 'dunk your bumps' last night and I couldn't peel myself off the sofa to go.

Got my 28 week check with the midwife next week. Haven't seen her since I was 16 weeks! I know it's my second baby, but still seems like a big gap....

Oh, and there will be 2 and a half years between my two. Might not wait as long for number 3, if we decide to go for a third.....

Hello to everyone else....

Hello everyone!

MrsMcJnr Oh my God! How rude/unprofessional of this doctor! or MW, whatever... You're abroad, speaking a foreign language, pregnant, and with a baby at the appt with you and they treat you this way!! How dare he say you're late when you're 10 min early??? And not letting you take off your boots!!! So for you!!! Can you continue privately from now on???

Laura No advice from me, sorry, but all the sympathy and support from here... Call the MW, she'll know what to do and you're NOT bothering her!

June Enjoy your evening NCT class

Ermin You don't fool me... you're on commission, lady

Juicy How are things?

Bigcar Glad that you had a good physio appt, sorry about the crutches, though... but if they help, then bring them on

Tibsy Hi!

Herbaceous Welcome! I'm one of the new girls . I'm really sorry about everything that you've been through but really glad that you're thriving these days with the bump!

Ineed Happy about your payout! It's awful, I know, but you deserve to be compensated, you've had several months of pain and problems because of that.

Hello to the rest of the ladies!

I got home at 5ish but took me long to catch up with today's thread . I had a veeeeeery long interpreting job today (3.45hs!) in Leeds and with the commuting and all I was out since 10.30am so I'm knackered! hahaha As I work from home most of the time (except when I have an interpreting assignment) I'm not used to the rush hahaha. I admire you, ladies, the ones who work full time!!

herbaceous not surprised youre on tenterhooks after all that. yay for your wriggly bump giving you reassurance

ineed great news on your compensation, you deserve it. can completely empathise with lack of energy esp in evenings. nothing or nobody can prise me from the settee apart from the bed calling me have already missed 2 birthday parties, 2 bookgroup meetings and an evening at the theatre and i didnt even have to be energetic for those!!!!
seems like a long time since i last saw my MW too 27 wks this wk, yay!!

hi naat!! that sounds like a full on day to me. hope you get some lovely rest this evening.

June ? I don?t know anything about fibroids so this might be totally irrelevant but pregnancy can often improve the situation with cysts so hopefully that will be the same for you. I think many couples wonder if they should have started a family earlier but then again maybe our relationships have benefited from the extra nurture! I think Drs tend to discuss contraception options with you at your 6 week check after the birth. I agree with Ermintrude, having a small baby is great contraception, I hadn?t even ?checked? all was ok from that perspective by my 6 week check for no other reason than that we were exhausted thanks for your words about my bad appointment, you are right about the culture, I sometimes find Spaniards very abrupt but know that that is just their way.

Ermintrude ? we have friends with DSs 10 months apart, one Christmas they had no kids and the next they had 2! No breastfeeding there. You are joking about that memorable date aren?t you??

Thanks Bigcar appreciate the sympathy. Now that I?ve calmed down a bit I?ve realised that it?s not the extra tests I object to (of course if I have any of these things I need to know about it) it was more his attitude. I do plan to continue with the private dr for peace of mind but I think I should jump through a few hoops with the state system just to make sure all my paperwork is ok for having the baby in the state hospital I want to. LOL at the pillow idea, there really would be no room in the bed if DH had a big pillow too!! Glad to hear it went so well at the physio

Thanks Insy, sadly, he is the only MW there! I have a retroverted uterus too by the way.

Tibsy ? yup, very 1st period! Crazy! I don?t think you have met DreamyDowler yet, my memory is rubbish but I think she is expecting her 6th!

Herby hello you!!! How fabulous to see you here, congratulations hon. Did you say He?

Ineed ? hope you get a good night?s sleep hon.

Thanks Naat for the outrage ? the MW was just a chauvinist pig basically! What languages do you interpret in?

Just had a wee look at book MW gave me and he has DS as born in Jan 07 instead of 08, what a nupty, it is obvious from looking at DS that he is just one and not two!!

Hi again herbaceous, good news all is well with you, after what sounds like a hellish time (you didn't tell the adoption people you'd transport a child in a supermarket trolley did you? That might explain it.. ). You are a mere year older than I - so as well as staying with us due in June ladies, do look at the 40+ ante-and post-natal thread too; there are a few of the ahem 'older girls' from here on it and several women who've had/are having their first babies over 40 so it's an encouraging place to be.

Ineed, I know what you mean about the long wait between 16 and 28 weeks MW appts. I keep meaning to make a list of what I want to ask her but then think it will all have changed by the time I actually get there. Mind you, 28 weeks means only 12 to go, that will be a good feeling

lauraloo did you get any advice about your pain? Hope it's gone away!

tibsy I'm so apathetic, really can't be bothered to do anything in the evening. We need to try out a new babysitter so DH suggested we eat at a local restaurant but a) I'm still throwing up sometimes and would hate to waste a good meal and b) I just want to get the DC in bed, put on my jimjams and go to bed! Mmm, DH is home late tonight so I might have a bath and then do just that now