December 08 - a few babies under the tree still need unwrapping!

[EffiePerine]

New thread ladies. I have a feeling I will be talking to myself a lot

wow Effie you're famous!
Well have taken a step towards having a shower. Am now undressed and back in dressing gown. Please sleep Phoebe please sleep!

can you take her into the bathroom with you? The sound of teh shower night be soothing

that's a good idea! Why don't I have a brain?! Am giving her a few minutes in the cot to see if she gives in, but if not we're off to the bathroom...
Thanks!

effie - just saw your email pics - very gorgeous indeed!
She's sleeping... am off to the shower!

morning

does anyone know if green poo is ok in a bf baby? i thought they were but dh is sure that the hv said they were a sign of something wrong. dd just did one.

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ring your HV arti think green means dehydrated.

Arti My HV said green poo means they aren't feeding properly. Normally not getting hind milk I think she said.

Had an OKish night. He refused to go to sleep until about half 1 but then slept until 6 in his moses basket. Still feeling exhausted though.

DS2 passed his hearing test, so thats all ok. Then we went and had hot chocolate and cake in a cafe and I BF in public. I did hide behind his blanket until he was latched on but it was ok. I also got DS1 a colouring book and crayons to amuse him while I BF.

Hope everyone is ok.

Arti: poss here went from black to green to yellow. I think green is in the realsm of normal but check with your hv.

Cat: yes, it's the Gazette . Hope the meds kick in soon. FWIW I avoid changing nappies in the middle of the night unless DS2 is obviously uncomfortable or has leaked.

Meeting up next week sounds good, day doesn't matter as will have both boys either day.

Should have been catching up on sleep but have spent a good bit of the morning cuddling DS2 in bed - I do feel alittle resentful that I don;t get the chance to do this as much as I'd like. Enjoying it while I can

I'd love to see your pic, Effie! Any chance of a link?

What a fiasco of a morning. Had to take LO to see HV, which is a few miles away. She said the appointment was between 11.30 and 12 so I booked a taxi (not that straightforward round here) to take us and collect us, and it turned out to be a baby clinic where you just wait. The waiting room was full of giant coughing babies and their mums who all ignored me, even though I breezed "Hello!" I think because I wasn't a local. My cab came to collect me again after an hour so I left (to the receptionist's disgust) as there were still seven babies ahead of me. It turned out it was just for her to be weighed and we have her six week check this Monday anyway, so basically I have wasted my time. Sorry to sound like a Prima Donna and I know it's very minor but I have found all this irksome - I didn't have much sleep last night and it's all been a hassle I don't need. Furthermore, as I left, one of the mothers said "Talk about stuck up!" and another one said "Did you see her handbag?"...and I think they were talking about me I couldn't be LESS stuck up so it's all a bit cross making. I'm a bit shocked as well. So much for the rural idyll! Good heavens, what on earth will it be like when DD starts school? Are they going to pelt me with turnips or something when I collect her? Oh well, bum to them. I miss my friends in London though.

The good news is someone has moved to my village who knows someone at DP's work, and she put a card through my letterbox yesterday asking if I wanted a coffee Her DS is 20 months. Maybe I'll have more luck with her.

Quickly, after that wonderful six hour sleep or whatever the other night, last couple of days DD has now regressed and wants to be fed every two hours instead of every three to three and a half, but is taking less in at these feeds. I am guessing this is just a phase and it's all variable, this feeding lark. Is that so?

Ladyt bum to them indeed, who wants to be friends with people like that?! How old is dd now? With the feeding thing I'm wondering if its to do with the teat size? I remember from ds1 whenever he started to play with his feeds moving up a teat usually (but not always) solved the problem.

I'm going to see the HV tomorrow, ds just seems to be crying when he's awake, nothing seems to help settle him. But if I just let him sleep all day, then he doesn't sleep at night. Plus his tongue is really coated so I'm wondering if its the formula thats upsetting him. I doubt if they'll be much use but I need to do something.

Have just been trying to catch up but now I can hear ds waking from his nap. Grr shall type as fast as poss with a sleeping daisy on my chest!

Seems like everyone having much the same issues. Darn these newborns with their grand ideas of wanting to sleep on us and only us and their habit of making "i've got wind" so similar to "feed me" and changing their minds about sleep patterns every 5 mins dh back at work tom and I'm dreading it. No more sleep ins for me. Ds keeps getting up at 5am too. DD is either wonderful at night or terrible. she has her witching hour or several around 3am when she is impossible to settle at all. She finishes her ABs today so I'm finally getting her thrush treated. Of course she loves ABs and laps them up but sputs out or vomits up the thrush stuff

Ds seems to have gone back to sleep

Am trying to get dd to take a dummy as she gets herself very worked up with me, constantly fussing for the brast but not wanting it, screaming at it then not feeding well. If she is with dh or we've been out or something then she naturally spaces her feeds to 2-3 hours and feeds like a dream. Ds comfort fed all the time and was fine with it but dd seems to be a different kettle of fish. Not taken to it yet, have the TT closer to nature ones.

Thanks Rosmerta, she was 6 weeks on Tuesday. She has moved up to size 2 teat but I will look into that, so thanks.

Indith, good to hear from you again. I think you have got it in one about all of us suffering much the same sorts of problems. That being the case, you'd think HVs would be a bit more on the ball about stuff

As for dummies, I love mine (hers, should I say) but I am going to use Rosmerta's other tip about taking it out when DD has gone to sleep as she also wakes up when it falls out.

Sod the HV. Mine is lovely (she didn't even bat an eyelid when I said we were co sleeping) but I know that some are useless, ill informed and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near new mums.

Indith we have gone down the dummy route aswell mainly to keep L settled when he is due a feed and I am stuck doing something with DS, workss quite well for 10mins or so.

LadyT two fingers up to them and I am intrigued what sort of handbag? I am a handbag woman in fact have a box of them upstairs which would prob pay the mortgage for a few months they all just sit in their dustbags as all I carry around these days is a hideous changing bag

Off to get DS2 weighed today having the usual panic of what if he has not gained much weight nonsense. Honestly I have been through ths before you would think I would be not quite so bonkers this time round.

Afternoon all! Nipper asleep in the sling [hurrah] and I'm surreptitiously filling her milk with the flavour of stilton which DH detests, next trick is to get her to like marmite as well muahahaaaa!

LadyT how dismally provincial and rude of those mums. lol at turnips!

arti the info I got was than green poo means too much foremilk in proportion to hindmilk, so not a disaster but just one to keep an eye on - if she was having a fussy feed she might not have got to the creamy goodness (ooer) but the NCT lady said both babies and breasts are very good at sorting out the proportions next time they have a feed.

indith I think you've hit the nail on the head there about all our babies, they don't know what they want so how can we? The fussing at the breast is meant to mean they may not rally be hungry but just want something to suck on

gahh she's just done a massive poo, the thought of changing her has quite put me off my stilton and broccoli soup

Cat with you on the nappy thing, she can sleep very happily in a massive pooey one so who am I to wake her up? except that now she's a bit cross so will have to go, catch up with everyone else later and hope you're enjoying the sunshine

Ah, Jump, loving the stilton. Mmm.

Jam, it's a Prada one. Makes me sound quite grand but actually it's one I bought with some winnings when a horse came in (well, more than one horse actually ) - I have hardly got hundreds of the darn things! I might be fat and a bit tired looking (and with baby sick on my shoulder, I now realise) but at least I can carry a nice bag or maybe wear some decent shoes. It's morale boosting, for pete's sake. It doesn't make me Marie Antoinette!

Oh, and Jump, I think the sunshine's only with you! It's grey here. I am going to make a vegetable stew this afternoon. I may even wear the Buckingham Palace apron that was bizarrely one of DP's Christmas gifts from his mother. Or perhaps I should save it for my next trip to the baby clinic, along with my tiara

Oh, and good luck with the weighing, Jam. I think we'd all know if our DCs weren't thriving so all this meddling is a pest. But I think I am just a bit grumpy today!

Oh please wear the Tiara next time LT. I was also intrigued about your handbag it would probably have made me strike up a conversion with you. How cheeky of them to say it within earshot. Country bumkins.

Arti JJ is right green poo just means a feed may not have given more of the hydrating milk and not quite enough of the calorie rich milk not really a problem unless it happens all day everyday for so long that it effects weight gain. It is quite common early on as you are both working things out.

Oh Stilton yum I bought a large block day before yesterday and it is nearly all gone. Better start on the Brie now.

Thanks for info on green poo. It was just the one so hopefully not a big problem. It may be because she had a fussy evening yesterday, but we had a gerat night (10pm-2.30am in moses basket, one 20 min feed, then 3-6am in moses basket, one 20 min feed and then 6.30am-8.15am in bed with me).

LadyT - so much for me saying the countryside sounded idyllic. It is is horrible that the other mothers were so unfriendly. I wonder if that is more common in smaller, rural communities where they are less used to strangers. The mothers around here all seem equally interested in making friends so are very friendly.

Verso - thanks for the tip about breast shields. I have sent DH off to Mothercare World to find them.

Indith - Nice to see you back. You sum up newborns perfectly.

Like Kayz I decided a hair cut was in order. Therefore I spent the morning being pampered while DH looked after DD. I had a cut and a panel of low lights and I got a complimentary head and hand massage. Am so pleased with the results that I allowed DH to take the first photo of DD and me together. Heads only though, my body disgusts me at the mo.

Am now off for more coffee with more mums. I guess I will never lose weight if I spend every afternoon in coffee shops where I consistently fail to resist the lure of the muffins.

ladyT What horrible women! It reminds me of the attitude in Devon I came across when I told some ladies I was moving back to London. I your handbag! I'll never give up nice things just because i'm a mum! We have a flat in Henley we are trying to sell, so if we ever do we are probably moving out in that direction again, so I will have regular spots of cheerfulness with you and i'll admire your handbag
Well I've decided to swap the middle names around - I rang and it didn't seem like a big deal to amend them and i'd rather do that than let it worry me for 18 years! I'm just more annoyed at myself for not thinking it through, and learn't that I really must think over dh's 'casual comments' as they probably are more than just that - he just doesn't say a lot really (compared to me)oh well, so it's off to the registry office again tomorrow God i'm an idiot!
Felt sorry for the dog today - she has an ear infection and also hasn't been out since my family left, so decided I could take her out and didn't know whether to put ds in buggy or carrier - lasted all of 15 minutes as dog was mental running at every dog on the common as she hadn't been out for so long and ds started crying the minute I put him in the buggy so abandoned the idea quite fast. He really likes his carrier better but I was worried about the dog pulling me over with ds strapped to me!The 4pm wind issues have kicked in, so I have pumped ds full of Dentinox and put him in the vibrating bouncer. seems to be nodding off if I keep bouncing him as well with my foot - heaven help me if the batteries go flat! but now my foot is tired! If I have another crying filled evening I'm going to break down and get a dummy - whats the best type to get?

arti did I say shields? I meant shells! Breast shells! Erk. I hope your DH can find them.

Have had BRILLIANT day . Won't go on about it as I know it's getting close to the witching hour for a lot of us - but it's nice to know it's possible - especially considering how low I was feeling earlier in the week.

LadyT I'm very on your behalf about the way those people were talking about you. It's so RUDE! So what if you have a nice handbag? (I'm v as I love stuff like that - went shopping in central London with a friend of mine last year when she got her annual bonus - she doesn't have a family so no commitments - and encouraged her to splurge on an amazing silver Alexander McQueen handbag just so I could enjoy it vicariously! )

LadyT: they were obv jealous and cross that they didn't think of escaping before you. Hanging round baby clinics is wearing.

DS2 asleep on me, he is such a cute rabbity sleepy baby . Feeding a lot again, is there another growth spurt at about a week?

at haircuts, my hair has gone mad again but at least it's long enough to tie back...

glad you had a good day . I spent most of it in bed AND have done some housework