Due Dec 08 - Braxton hicks, baby kicks and leaking nips!

[Veggiemummy]

that was Disenchanted's idea for a great title not mine

OMG Olipop that makes me so mad, a baby not feeding properly is an emergency and should be referred as such and the operation done ASAP.

Abbeymeg we must be due around same date, i am 30 weeks on monday and due the 15th. I'm looking forward to being 10 weeks to go, feels so much closer then. Also gonna start doing all the set up stuff then, put the cot hammock thing together to see if it works, and buy new mattress for it, pull out all DS' old baby clothes (and probably have a little cry) and work out what we have & what we need then find people who already have boys and want to give away some clothes. Also do some washing as it's a bit musty down in our basement. Oh getting excited just thinking about it.

Poison i keep thinking about your little felony, you are so cheeky, very cool. Do you know what you could do after you have photocopied it you could go to the BBC and tell them you managed to walk out of a hopsital with your notes. Or get a friend to take them to the BBC and say they found them on a train!!!! hehehe

Veggie I'm 30 weeks on Wed and due on the 17th! (But C-Sect on the 10th)!! Sorry for the very short posts - am in the middle of helping DH with new bike!

Hi All-not been on for a week so have not had a chance to catch up yet but hope all well.

Only thing I have read so far is how RUDE that woman was on the train Verso. Did her husband take the seat then?!

Was in Essex seeing family as my sister had a baby boy on Wed. She had a terrible labour-started afternoon Tuesday and he was not born til 4.15pm Wed. She ended up with epidural, drip, forceps, ventouse and then emergency c-section. Plus as he was stuck so far down the birth canal he had to be pushed back up so they could do the section. Needless to say she is exhausted and he has a wonky head!!!-however, he really is gorgeous. Yesterday he had severe jaundice and they thought he may have broken a bone in his head with his traumatic birth, but they are much better today. The thing is the midwife quite early in the saga said she thought the baby was in the wrong position, but the registrar said she was wrong. 16 hours later she was proved right!
Anyway sorry to go on but feel so shocked she had such a tough time-I just assumed her labour would be like mine.

Right-will go and catch up on the thread.

majormoo how awful for your sister, glad they both seem to be doing well though.

jump fair enough re booking last minute. In which case, I agree with others and just explain that you want to have some time to yourselves and can they come later? Very good with the 'no room at the inn' btw

poison am impressed you had the guts to steal your notes, quite rightly so but don't know if I could've done it!

Has anyone heard from LadyT? Haven't seen her around for a while, hope everything's ok.

Am starting to get more & more nervous now, have only about 8 weeks to go & we've barely done/got anything! Luckily SIL has a nearly new sale tomorrow so she's going to try & get a few bits for us.

oh Majormoo your poor sister, glad it is all ok and over now. It's a shame some doctors seem to think so little of midwives knowledge and skills. I had a friend whose midwife said her baby was breech but the a doctors said it was not, well they finally had to agree with the midwife when the babies bot bot was crowning rather than it's head. (not sure if a bottom can crown but you know what i mean)

Hello - off to bed in a mo...I'll be up with DS at around 5am!!! Rosmerta...Lady T was going on holiday but is prob due back soonish.
I've still got bloody ages to go..not due til 28th so 12 weeks. I'm half gutted and half relieved..still not sure how I am going to look after a tiny baby and a very active boy! I am sure I just spent months cuddling and feeding and not alot else first time round! It just 'aint gonna happen this time which makes me a bit sad....

God, majormoo what a dreadful birth story! I hope your sister is ok and not too traumatised by it.

poison I wholeheartedly agree with you taking your notes. I fought to get mine after DD's birth and eventually had my meeting with the head of midwifery for her to supposedly apologise (ha!) and they weren't going to hand my notes over even then. Luckily my midwife counsellor was accompanying me and just took them, saying "I'll be back in a minute". After the meeting she handed me a photocopy - said she'd realised they weren't going to give them to me.

Thanks for the train sympathy. I was in fact offered a seat by a very kind woman - but she was sitting directly behind the cow (sorry but she really was a cow) and so I declined the offer. The COW was still gving me evils so I didn't relish her and her companions making the rest of my journey a misery.

I feel a lot better now anyway though as I went for a haircut this evening (much much needed - my hair is erm... unruly, shall we say?!) and now feel quite looked after!

rosmerta I was wondering about LadyT the other day. I was thinking her driving course must be finished by now. I hope she's ok.

meant to say - I've been on here reading the 'things not to do' thread....it is so funny ...been laughing out loud and just must go to bed! Check it out!

Turnip My hubby and I were just talking about ante-natal classes. Do you remember when we should sign up for those?? I know the midwives gave us some info... but we can't find it!

olipop i feel the same about not having the time with this one that i did with DS but also losing the time i currently have with DS. We have decided to start DS in nursery 5mornings a week so i can have 3 hours in the morning exclusively with veggiebaby. but will miss having my DS only time too. he is 3 now and wants his dad a lot of the time anyway but we still like our mummy & boy time. he was so cute tonight he and i had a bath together and i was trying to wash my feet which is a bit trickier these days. he took his washcloth and started washing my feet for me. He also likes 'washing the baby', my bump

Veggiemummy Sounds like we are in a similar boat with DC. My DS currently goes to daycare nursery 2 days a week whilst I work but we are going to leave him there for a while so I can get sorted/rested and then drop him down to two mornings. Like you I realise that this means its wonderful to have time with minipop but where is the time with DS? He is a total Daddys boy too and I am so scared that his daddyholicness (totally new word there!) is going to increase terribly. It hurts enough when he wails for Daddy whenever he goes to work as it is. I have a distinct feeling that DC2 is going to get a bit neglected in the style of 'you just lay on that blanket staring at the ceiling whilst we play pirates etc'. Oh well!

Majormoo, your poor SIL - that sounds like my first birth which was not great. Has she got arnica? I took loads after DD2 and it really helped.

I think Lady T was going away to France, Switzerland, Italy etc with her DP for a fortnight. I seem to remember discussions about him wanting her to be abstemious re booze but not wanting to take the pledge himself. Hope she had a great time - I think the driving course is coming up. I had a glass of wine last night (VERY bad day with DD1) and it really hit the spot. I also had a takewaway curry which was lovely and just what I needed.

Went to MW yesterday and all fine. Clinic in very scary bit of S London though so am glad only had the buggy with me. Had to do my wee in such a small loo that I couldn't shut the door and take the buggy in so had to squat behind it! AM measuring 33cm for 30+3 so not too bad on the old water front. Next meeting is with consultant to fix the date for my CS - 24th October. Can't believe I'll know in 3 weeks. Eeek.

Am now about to get ballet kit together (for DD1 - me in a tutu at the moment would just about finish everyone off I reckon). Have a good day everyone

Verso, as you know I have had huge public transport trouble with being pg. Huge sympathies and well done for holding it together and not turning air blue. I think other people don't want to get involved incase the unreasonable person turns on them. After my mountain of abuse a couple of weeks ago, no one said or did anything on the bus apart from studying their Metros. Glad your new hair has proved cheering

oli/veggie I'm having the same issues about having time with ds. He goes to nursery 2 mornings per week but how do you fit in some one-to-one time as well? I'm hoping the baby sleeps as well as ds did & then we can do some stuff together but also thinking junior is going to be a bit neglected.

Blimey, just thinking about how ds isn't going to be the only one any more is making me feel a bit and tearful!

verso am so cross with that lady on train. But have great faith in veggie and am quite sure she will be getting no action for some time to come!

oli for your sister's baby's tongue tie. So unnecessary. Surely babies should be checked by the paed or m/w before they leave hospital for tongue tie it's such a common problem.

majormoo really feel for your sis. Hope she gets better soon and gets lots of rest. I would also heartily recommend that she sees a cranial osteopath with her little babe. The hospital I go to recommends it as a necessity for any baby born by ventouse or forceps - likely he has the most thumping headache!

Chutney - would love to see us all in ballet tutus - imagine!? Exciting that you will know your date soon!

Poison similarly at the doctor you saw. Bloody arrogance on behalf of medical staff drives me insane. Good on you for nicking your notes!! Why the hell should you pay £50 to see something that concerns you.

Abbey and those having big 'uns - I probably am too. I am measuring a couple of cms more than dates. Saw the m/w on thursday and got a mild telling off for having gained 4kg more than I had at the same gestation with DS! Baby also still breech but as am only 29 week plenty of time to turn. DS didn't turn til ab out 32 weeks. But part of me is hankering after a nice scheduled C/S the week before Christmas! (even tho know a c/s isn't an easy option). Will also save us loads of cash as the insurance co. would pick up a big part of my hospital bill

Kimberley - good to see you back on the bd. Who is your consultant? I am with Yinka Akinfenwa as my back up guy. He is lovely. Have a growth scan with him in November.

Good weekend to all. I just can't get rid of feeling knackered all the time. Hmmm - better get used to it I suppose.

Hi everyone,

I really feel like I hardly ever gwet a chance to post at the mo I do read up and keep an eye on oyu all.

I have a mouth like a total navvy so have no problem saying verso that woman was a complete cnut. (Just cant bring myself to write it correctly)

jumpjockey I think this is the one time you are perfectly entilted to say I have no idea whats happening and I know flights are expensive but I really feel you should wait until the bubba is born before deciding on a date to travel.

olipop although midwifes etc do check for tongue tie it often goes unnoticed. When DS was born I wanted to BF him and by the end of the first wk had nipples that were in a dreadful mess. I went to see a BF councellor as I was sure it was my latch but I couldnt understand why he wasnt feeding properly he had all the classic tongue tie signs couldnt poke his tongue out so therefore couldnt lap at my nipple and when he cried it looked heart shaped at the front he also was head banging against my boob this is a very common sign of tongue tie. TBH I was so closwe to giving up BF tot the point where i was topping him up with formula and I was too scared to put him to my breast as it was excrutiating so I was hand expressing to get my colostrum out. Anyway we managed to get a referal to King sin London and had it snippedd there was immediate releif and Aechie fed properly for the first time the relief was immense. As an aside this was after we had ended up back att eh Royal London as he was too sleepy and although they recognised that he had a tongue tie the pead there refused to do anything about it. We also paid to go privately. The consultant we saw told us that it is often genetic at which point I said oh my mum said I had something wrong in my mouth that was operated on when I was tiny and told me to open my mouth and immediatly went yeap tongue tie! Go that was a bit epic anyway I would say check check and check again for a tongue tie. And make sure a HCP takes it seriously.

pd well done for nicking your notes and grr at the numpty hospital staff.

I too have been feeling a bit about not having as much time to spend with mini munch and big munch. At the mo I am at home with DS all the time apart from mums & tots etc as he doesnt attend any nursery not sure how that is going to work when mini munch turns up feel a bit sorry for them both. When DS was tiny I spent the first 3 months on the sofa. Dont thin that is gong to happen this time round.

We finally got round to ordering DS his big boy bed it arrives next wkend am very excited saddo that I am about him being so grown up but gwad knows how many nights we are going to have to to the return to bed thing with him.

Anyway sorry for the gigantic post, massive belly dancing waves to all.

I've just started reading a book for an essay I'm writing & I wish I'd read it when ds was born! It's called What Mothers Do Even When it Looks Like Nothing by Naomi Stadlen and its fantastic!

Hi can i just ask effie and anyone else who is having growth scans for small baby .. how much weight have you put on? Im driving myself a bit crazy today as i have realised ive lost a pound this week. I know in the big scheme of things that's nothing but coupled with my total weight gain being less then my normal (with other pregnancies i would be at about 1 1/2 stones by now but with this one i was 13 pounds but now 12 pounds) and all the other concerns about baby's size im feeling extremely hormonal

Ladies with one baby who are concerned about fitting in time with both: it does work, honestly!

My DD1 had 2 days at nursery when it was just me and DD2. On the other 5 days, I just fed the baby and did her nappy - the rest of the time she was in her basket / on the mat / in the pram while DD1 and I made merry. DD2 and I had our daily love ins in the evening once DD1 was out of the way, and in the night of course. Newborns slot quite easily into an existing dynamic IME. I spend days on the sofa BF DD1 and was worried about how I could repeat that. DD2 loved her nosh (still does!) but was much more amenable to having feeds as and when. I just made sure she'd fed well before we embarked on a journey (to Tesco's or somewhere equally exciting). A wise friend also told me to ensure that DD1 had everything she could need BEFORE I sat down to feed. This meant drink of water and rich tea finger (nearly always), book, toys, TV, stickers etc (in turns) and it meant we had lots of time to snuggle up and talk about things as I fed. I am slightly about how my poor lap will fit a baby and DDs1 and 2 but we'll manage. We'll have to.

I worried a lot too that I loved DD1 so much I could never feel the same about another child and that I would love the second one less. Love them both more than I thought possible (though DD1 is a minky and I could quite cheerfully Ebay her at her worst!) I'm hoping the pattern will repeat itself with this little chap.

HTH.

Thanks chutney that was really reassuring! I guess I'm hoping that junior will slot in happily!

reban sorry I don't have any advice for you, hope everything is ok [hugs]

thanks for that chutney that is reassuring and good advice re: sorting DS1 out before starting to feed veggiebaby.

Rosemerta that book is brilliant should be required reading for all mums, (and maybe dads should have a look to).

Now those tutus would they be underbump or overbump?

I have just had a big meltdown, DH was on the phone to his sister (the selfish one that drives me mad) he mationed something about DS having football this morning and i know he would have told her about him being pick to go in the older more capable group but she basically ignored him and started waffling on about her own stuff and extolling the virtues of her own son. So when he got off the phone i said why didnt you tell her about DS being picked for the big group. he got defensive of his sister and well i well and truely over reacted and ended up kicking a chair over slamming a few doors and huffing around and screeching for a bit until i finally lobbed off in floods of tears. the worst bit was DS sa it all and was so sweet he came upstairs to see me (i had run myself a bath) and was trying to wash my face. When DH came into talk about it, we were still have strong words (a bit more calmly but strong) DS was saying 'just look at me mummy look at me' and when i did he gave me lovely smile and washed my face again. It was so sweet but made me feel so guilty. I truely overreacted. DH agreed it is an issue as she seems to have no regard for DS & I but i really didnt need to react like that. The chair is ok by the way.

veggie, glad the chair is ok . Sounds like an extremely frustrating SIL, in your own words I'm sending her poo poo vibes! Your ds sounds so lovely btw. I got a bit impatient with ds with other day when trying to get out of the house, he asked for a kiss and then said 'sorry mummy, friends?'. Just about made my heart break!

And yes, re the book I would scrap pretty much every other parenting book in the world and have everyone read this one!

Is anyone else starting to feel really uncomfortable? Most of the time I'm fine, but for the past two hours I swear the baby has been lying ON my lungs. My ribs feel sore and I just can't seem to get the baby to move. It's sooooo tiring because I can't breathe properly!

Sorry to whinge. I know we're in the final stretch now and it's all normal - but I'd forgotten quite how uncomfortable it can get. And I still have eight more weeks to go!

(on the other hand - OMG - ONLY EIGHT WEEKS!!!!!!!!!!)

Verso, I really sympathise, I have just over 8 weeks to go too and am also feeling quite uncomfortable suddenly. It started on Thursday when dh and I spent the afternoon walking around shopping and I started to feel a lot of pressure very low down in my pelvis. It feels like the baby's head is suddenly really low (although I think it's still too early for the head to drop down?) and I get the feeling of pressure whenever I stand or sit with my back straight for more than a couple of minutes. Ouch!

I'm also starting to get quite nervous about the birth. I haven't really thought that much about it until now (I know that sounds a bit weird!) but it seems like it's getting close now and I'm struggling to imagine what it will be like and wondering how I will cope with the loss of dignity and control. I am a bit of a control freak and like to plan everything and I think I'm struggling to accept that there's really no way I can plan anything to do with the birth. Oh well, no turning back now I guess....