Dec 08 - the one where we wonder what are our bodies going to do next?

[rosmerta]

Sorry for rubbish title, best I could do

I have just cracked open the gigantic box of sweets I ordered from here;;

www.aquarterof.co.uk

warning: do NOT open the link if you are subject to sweetie nostalgia, v bad for your wallet and your teeth

Glad you're feeling bbetter Verso, I rather enjoy escaping to work as well! At least I get to sit down and have the occasional cup of tea.

Good news re: your scan Reban . Are you hoping for a girl this time? Mine's on friday (checking for cleft lip/palate). In between I'm taking DS to his granny's for a couple of days, back for the scan (and an afternoon at work), then back up to Lincolnshire for another day or so. Lots of train journey's thankfully only one with DS and the buggy.

Have to say that I haven't experienced anything other than positive comments when I've been pg. I always surprised how nice most Londoners are (maybe not if you're after their seat on the train ).

LT - don't worry, not feeling dissed at all, just made me think. I agonised endlessely about where to pick (incl whether to go private) - but there don't seem to any perfect choices out there.

Re movement - if its any reassurance, the doc I saw was almost surprised when I said felt movement at 21 weeks - his view was that it could easily be 24-5 weeks before feeling movement at all regularly.

Oh and still at work here too am afraid. I'm finding part of being pregnant seems to be that everything takes so much longer than usual!

Oh God, effie I LOVE that site . Early on this pg I found that boiled sweets (particularly sherbet lemons) helped with the constant nausea. So I went and boughts rather more sweets than I ought. Unfortunately that was round about the time when my appetite was seriously fickle, so by the time they arrived the thought of them made me feel soooo sick!!! They went soft waiting for me to eat them so I had to bin them!

Might take a peek now though...

Rosmerta I think cold orange juice is supposed to get the baby moving - also I am sure at least one of my books says not to worry about movement/lack of movement until 28 weeks. If you're still worried tomorrow though I would call the m/w to put your mind at rest.

so true invisible although having been an ex-nhs community nurse who used to hear so many terrible stories of bad treatment i would encourage everyone who is not happy with their care to complain. As a nurse i could whinge at acute staff who were not giving my community patients the treatment they deserved but i could make any formal complaints that could only be done by my patients parents and they never wanted to cause trouble so nothing ever changed so please do complain if you not happy.

also i have decided to write to my local MP and the lead for midwifery in Derby regarding the situation with homebirths in my area. I was speaking to some friends in London about it on the weekend who were shocked that they could do that and feel it should be taken further.

effieperine I ignored your warning at my peril! looks fantastic, yummy, has made the hot choccy i just drunk seem very inadequate.

on earlier subject of dreams i have had a mixed bag. raunchy ones i had at end of 1st trimester still disturbing me- have starred very unattractive people including john prescot, bobby davro and iain lee (but not at the same time!)My favourite dreams have been about breastfeeding baby to be. Although dreamt my DH tried to poison me and baby- crikey.

p.s. think minnie looks great too

typically I posted too soon! Did fajitas for tea & now junior is jumping around, but at least I know he's ok . I was just trying to think back to ds & thought that once he started moving, he didn't stop. veggie thinking about it as well, I've been on the go all day so he has probably been asleep or I haven't noticed.

Anyway, thanks for all the reassurance, am much more relaxed again.

effie that's just mean, I've deliberately been staying away from that website but will have to go order something now!

morning! how is everyone today?

Dh has been laughing at me (again!) after I really struggled to get out of bed and walk. My back & hips were so sore & stiff I could barely move!

Morning all, I thought Minnie looked pretty darned good too - if I look that good at 9 months I might well get myself into my bikini too - that will be sight to be seen in December!! In the latest issue of Pregnancy and Birth magazine there's an article about you don't want to be famous and pregnant, as your bump is always too big/small/just wrong according to the press, and this is just another example of it. Tut.

Glad the fajitas got your LO kicking rosmerta and that the scan was mush better this time reban.

Little ZJ went wierd last night and pushed himself all to my left side, giving me a lop sided bump and it hurt quite a bit. It took a lot of pushing and shoving by me to get him back in the middle - naughty little ZJ, I think he was trying to escape bum first out of my side!

Morning All,

I also think Minnie looks AMAZING! I don't think my thighs have ever looked like that when I wasn't pg and now they so cellulite-ridden it's obscene. I agree ZJ, if I looked like that at 9 months I'd be living in a bikini (although might be a bit weird in London in December ).

Well the thread title is proving very apt for me this week. I seem to have hit a wall of painful pg symptoms and have woken up in agony twice this week. First time was with a leg cramp so painful that I had to wake my DH up to complain. Last night I had severe pain below my boobs and above my bump which lasted a few hours and kept waking me up. It felt like there was a band around me that was beeing tightened from the back. Nasty and SOOOO painful!! Called the MW this am who said it was heartburn!

Hope you are all well, keep the pram advice coming, I've been thinking about the Bugaboo Bee because it's little and folds as one piece we have no car and use public transport for all journeys long and short. Although I will get a car seat for the occasional mini-cab ride and visits to family out in the sticks.

Oh dear, just seen the time, better go to work! Hope you have good days. x

pixsix I was told that cramps can be caused by lack of calcium...also that it is unlikely to be bad for the baby as the baby will take all the calcium it needs leaving you missing out! So not to worry about in terms of baby, but in terms of you eating more calcium or taking tablets might help.
I used to get cramps when I did a lot of exercise followed by beer, and even worse then followed by sleeping somewhere cold like a tent, I think this was caused by dehydration and lack of salt though.

pixsix - try eating bananas to help with the leg cramps - I think the magnesium/potassium in them is supposed to help! I used to get them, but it seems to have helped a bit...

pixsix I also got cramp for the first time last week, and DH woke up to my wimpering thinking a cat had got in! It hurt so much, I've never had it before. I heard that something in tonic or bitter lemon helps, so I'm drinking a glass of bl every day now - will also add a glass of milk and a nana every day (have those most days) as I don't ever want that again! Surely even labour can't be that bad

Morning all - well I spoke too soon about low down kicks only. Last night the little 'choke appeared to sprout tentacles and was kicking about all over the place. Like littleZJ she tried to escape out one side and then when that failed she just kicked and kicked and kicked at the middle of my left side. You could see the kicks from the outside. DD never kicked like that, even at full term, DH was very impressed and confessed he had never been totally sure he could feel DD's kicks but these were very clear. I dread to think how hard they will be in another few months!

I am taking DD into work at lunchtime today. Should be interesting. I am still on holiday but need to check my messages and make sure all is OK before we go to Sicily on Saturday. I have no childcare so DD will have to come too. She is quite excited about it and wants to wear one of DH's ties.

pisxtix i get a lot of indigestion and heartburn and what you discribed doesn't sound like what i experience. sounds more like muscle cramping which would go along with the low calcium, mag & potassium that others described is causin pain in your legs. Also might be good to do some breathing exercises (ie deep breaths in anlong slow breaths out) to stretch out the muscles between your ribs.

ZJ I agree, proper cramps are sooooo painful. I have woken up whole campsites when I have got cramp!! Tended only to really hurt for 20 seconds or so. Doesn't help that it's usually at night so they wake you up and you are all confused. I often thought I was having a blood clot in my leg in my sleepy state as well, which made it scary as well.

arti I am in love with your DD - she sounds so cute with the tie!

Arti just wait until your about 7months it will look like you have a bag of kittens in there. DS used to constantly wiggle and generally during the day so was a little weird at work esp during meetings. I used to freak some of the other people out and they were all health professionals.

Arti your DD does sound sooo cute! I would love to take one of my girls into the office with me, much more fun than talking to the grown ups there - possibly not both twins at once though, there might be too much of a bunfight over who got to press the photocopier buttons/swing around on the swivel chairs.

I used to get awful cramps as a teenager - my doctor said it was bad circulation and to try flexing and pointing my toes and generally trying to take more exercise (easier when you're 16 than a pregnant adult!)

Re hospitals - I don't think it's just London ones sadly that have problems. I would have given anything to have gone private when I had my twins - we were in Gloucestershire at the time and the antental care was just appalling as was the standard of cleanliness of the wards/rooms etc. Really hoping things are better this time oop North. Am planning to try and book a private room so that I can get some sleep before coming home to chaos!

Ooh and I think Minnie looks great too

anyone got any thoughts on that programme kate garroway is doing, the one about breastfeeding other peoples babies?

I read the piece she had in yesterday's DM which I read on the train (I did not purchase the paper, I cannot say that often enough) - saying why are we squeamish about other people's breastmilk when we're happy to give them cow's milk/formula. I take her point. She struggled to breastfeed, apparently, and her baby was failing to thrive so I think she had to be forced to stop by family etc. A lot of guilt flying around about this topic, methinks (like so many others - dummies, c-sections, to stay at home or got to work all the usual suspects which cause a kerfuffle on MN - not on our thread of course, because everyone seems to be respectful and supportive of other people's choices, even if they differ from their own, which is lovely).

Just listening to one of those 'soothe your baby to sleep with classical music' type cds, there's only me in the office. I don't know if it's soothing her, but it is soothing ME no end!

we have a baby classics CD that we listened to going to bed with DS pregnancy each night and then since he was baby we put it on DS's room (only if he wants it now) when he is going to sleep. DH and i both find that while DS still loves it we both get an immediate feeling of calm when we listen to it which we think is either the actual music or just the memory of listening to it while DS was in my belly and it was a period in our life when we both feeling very content.

I haven't read the article but GOSH has a breastmilk bank for mums who have loads of milk to donate into, they kind of pasturise the milk and then feed it to the little sick babies who mums can't produce milk but want their babies to have breastmilk. so there is certainly nothing wrong with it again all about choice. I think GOSH also feels that goos at helping the little sick babies to have a good start.

I'm quite tempted by one, as baby ZJ is loving the Maestro when its on telly - think I need restful classics though, as he jumps around no end to that programme! Any recommendations veggie/ladyt?