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August 2021 - Scans and booking in!

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BertieBotts · 21/01/2021 12:05

Continuation of August 2021 thread :)

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lucyrp · 29/01/2021 18:23

@Miniheart @Sprockerdilerock lovely scan photos!

@Sprockerdilerock I think I can also see two hands above their head !

I am really hating hormones right now. Still no appointment letter so rang the hospital to see if anything on the system and she put me through to ultrasound and it just kept ringing and ringing then it hung up 🙄 had some post for the first time in ages and it was for the person who used to live here... breath

PurplePansy05 · 29/01/2021 19:19

Happy 12 weeks to us @MrsB2019x 😊

@Miniheart that's a gorgeous photo, very good quality! I was given videos too and I absolutely love them!

Just hope Tuesday will be more good news and still waiting for my Panorama results xx

PurplePansy05 · 29/01/2021 19:25

Also @Alittlexmasmagic thank you for the Deep Freeze patches recommendation, they're arriving tomorrow and I cannot wait! I bought their spray in the meantime and it's been a life saver. My back pain is back and I've concluded this isn't a trapped nerve, but rather I twisted my back accidentally and pulled a muscle. My jaw also keeps popping out, I have what I think round ligament pain is and I occasionally drool a bit as I seem to be producing hectolitres of saliva 😳 End of the first trimester is so sexy 😅 Apparently all of this is normal.

Re round ligament pain, could anyone actually describe it for me please? I have what seems to be occasional shooting pains going from the sides of my abdomen towards my groin. They come and go and aren't very painful, pain is probably too big of a word, just uncomfortable. Could that be it?

Alittlexmasmagic · 29/01/2021 20:44

@PurplePansy05 I'm glad they help but sorry you're having to resort to them. Hope it clears up soon x

BananaHammock23 · 29/01/2021 21:48

Thanks all! I'll deffo book another private scan before the 20 week one so I can have the nice private scan experience again!

So nice to see your lovely scan pics @Miniheart @Sprockerdilerock

@PurplePansy05 @MrsB2019x I'm 12 weeks today too! Finally starting to sink in that it's actually happening!

MrsB2019x · 30/01/2021 00:06

@PurplePansy05 @BananaHammock23 Happy 12 weeks to all of us 😁 still can’t believe I have made it this far! Bring on the scans 😁

BertieBotts · 30/01/2021 07:47

Anyone have thoughts about feeding yet? I have started following a couple of IBCLCs on Facebook to get my head in the newborn breastfeeding game again and try to update my knowledge which is now about 13 years out of date :o I would strongly recommend starting to read about BF for anyone who wants to do it, as information is power IME. If you are of a slightly hippy leaning at all, I LOVE the book The Food of Love by Kate Evans. She does one about birth as well - I need to dig my copy out.

Lucy Ruddle who is one of the people I've started following has written a new book which I'm quite interested in, all about combi/mixed feeding. It's not released until 22 April but I've pre-ordered it on Kindle. DH is keen to combi feed this time, as DS2 was combi fed at the start because my milk didn't come in until day 6 and then we were playing catch up. I'm not sure on my feelings about it, I seem to swing between yeah let's be flexible, makes total sense, and then the way I felt with DC1 which was a really strong desire for him to only have breastmilk and never formula. But I'm really interested in this book because usually for combi feeding you get total polarised info and none of it is especially helpful - it's either bottle/formula manufacturers or people who are more familiar with bottle feeding repeating old myths about BF and half information that doesn't really make sense, or you get BF advocates advising you to be overly cautious and giving a really rigid format of advice which doesn't fit every situation and kind of falling over themselves to tell you why you don't really want to be combi feeding in the first place. (Sometimes helpful, but, often not...)

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ame88 · 30/01/2021 08:30

@BertieBotts

Anyone have thoughts about feeding yet? I have started following a couple of IBCLCs on Facebook to get my head in the newborn breastfeeding game again and try to update my knowledge which is now about 13 years out of date :o I would strongly recommend starting to read about BF for anyone who wants to do it, as information is power IME. If you are of a slightly hippy leaning at all, I LOVE the book The Food of Love by Kate Evans. She does one about birth as well - I need to dig my copy out.

Lucy Ruddle who is one of the people I've started following has written a new book which I'm quite interested in, all about combi/mixed feeding. It's not released until 22 April but I've pre-ordered it on Kindle. DH is keen to combi feed this time, as DS2 was combi fed at the start because my milk didn't come in until day 6 and then we were playing catch up. I'm not sure on my feelings about it, I seem to swing between yeah let's be flexible, makes total sense, and then the way I felt with DC1 which was a really strong desire for him to only have breastmilk and never formula. But I'm really interested in this book because usually for combi feeding you get total polarised info and none of it is especially helpful - it's either bottle/formula manufacturers or people who are more familiar with bottle feeding repeating old myths about BF and half information that doesn't really make sense, or you get BF advocates advising you to be overly cautious and giving a really rigid format of advice which doesn't fit every situation and kind of falling over themselves to tell you why you don't really want to be combi feeding in the first place. (Sometimes helpful, but, often not...)

Ooo interesting I really want to combi feed - whether that is breast and then pumping into a bottle so other half can help or formula in a bottle (lleaning to the first option) I basically don't want baby 100% reliant on the boob (could change my mind on this) what is this book called?
MrsB2019x · 30/01/2021 08:30

@BertieBotts Thanks for the recommendations! In an ideal world I’d love to be a mix of BF and expressed. I’d love to exclusively breastfeed but I have arthritis and get fatigued so easily so would need DH to help out. That and he would love to help feed. Has anyone done this?

PurplePansy05 · 30/01/2021 08:38

Interesting. I've always been naturally inclined to BF for the first six months, however I would also consider a breast pump and extracting milk.

There's also a lot to consider eg what happens if the baby doesn't take well, if I have some problems, if it turns out the baby is allergic to something in my diet, lots of different points I came across over the years...which might mean I might have to include or swap to formula even though this would not be my first choice. I have thought about this recently. My local midwives prepared a series of videos which are shared in a closed antenatal FB group about the different options and techniques. I'll watch them in my second trimester. Do you think a book on that is needed? Will the midwives show us how to BF after the birth or is it just go straight home because of covid these days?

WatermelonKisses · 30/01/2021 09:10

@BertieBotts I read the food of love when I was pregnant last time, loved it. You are so right the information out there is overwhelming and confusing. I breastfed for 14 months and my baby never took a bottle ever, we tried everything (expressed/formula/different bottles etc.) and she just refused to take it (strong willed toddler now, who would have thought 🤪) I find all the information out there says to wait several weeks until your feeding is established before introducing a bottle in order to avoid "nipple confusion" I think certain BF advocates say this because then a certain percentage of people will stop BF and move on to formula. This time I plan on introducing a bottle very early (perhaps last one in the evening). I absolutely loved breastfeeding but being the only one who could feed her was exhausting and I felt so guilty leaving her for even an hour in case she got hungry when I was away. I couldn't do keep in touch days at work etc because I couldn't leave her for more than 4 hours. I went on a work lunch one day when she was about 6 months old and she was so distraught when I got back. I will try expressing for one bottle a day from early on I think. I didn't get on with expressing last time but I had a manual pump so I think I'll try an electric this time. Saying all this, with COVID I bet I'll never be away from this baby so he/she will never need a bottle 😅

@PurplePansy05 I believe the midwives will still show you how to feed, when I had my baby 18 months ago, they didn't let me leave the hospital until i had a final check with the midwife to check my feeding. I can't see that changing due to COVID/certainly hope not anyway!

ame88 · 30/01/2021 09:19

[quote MrsB2019x]@BertieBotts Thanks for the recommendations! In an ideal world I’d love to be a mix of BF and expressed. I’d love to exclusively breastfeed but I have arthritis and get fatigued so easily so would need DH to help out. That and he would love to help feed. Has anyone done this?[/quote]
This is exactly what I want to do. I have read conflicting things about when to start expressing as it can affect milk supply...would love to know some exact science

ame88 · 30/01/2021 09:23

[quote WatermelonKisses]@BertieBotts I read the food of love when I was pregnant last time, loved it. You are so right the information out there is overwhelming and confusing. I breastfed for 14 months and my baby never took a bottle ever, we tried everything (expressed/formula/different bottles etc.) and she just refused to take it (strong willed toddler now, who would have thought 🤪) I find all the information out there says to wait several weeks until your feeding is established before introducing a bottle in order to avoid "nipple confusion" I think certain BF advocates say this because then a certain percentage of people will stop BF and move on to formula. This time I plan on introducing a bottle very early (perhaps last one in the evening). I absolutely loved breastfeeding but being the only one who could feed her was exhausting and I felt so guilty leaving her for even an hour in case she got hungry when I was away. I couldn't do keep in touch days at work etc because I couldn't leave her for more than 4 hours. I went on a work lunch one day when she was about 6 months old and she was so distraught when I got back. I will try expressing for one bottle a day from early on I think. I didn't get on with expressing last time but I had a manual pump so I think I'll try an electric this time. Saying all this, with COVID I bet I'll never be away from this baby so he/she will never need a bottle 😅

@PurplePansy05 I believe the midwives will still show you how to feed, when I had my baby 18 months ago, they didn't let me leave the hospital until i had a final check with the midwife to check my feeding. I can't see that changing due to COVID/certainly hope not anyway!
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Exactly this!! I do not want it all on me. I want to know about this nipple confusion and like you say if this is down to BF advocates.
I am 100% breastfeeding from the get go and will do as long as possible but I want to express so I have the help I need.

PurplePansy05 · 30/01/2021 09:33

I actually think it's really important that we're able to get some time out every now and then, with this pandemic even more. Being stuck with the baby 24/7 for months may be a contributing factor to poor MH too and we're already more at risk of various MH issues now anyway because of what's going on now. Personally this is swaying me even more to start pumping sooner if possible, just to be able to get a break every now and then.

PurplePansy05 · 30/01/2021 09:34

Just out of curiosity, those of you who already have children, did you find BF and expressing difficult? I have no idea what it's like in practice!

WatermelonKisses · 30/01/2021 09:50

@ame88 I need to look more into nipple confusion too, last time I was so scared of doing something wrong that I just accepted it as true. I do have friends that have successfully combi fed which leads me to believe it might be a bit of a myth. Feeding your baby shouldn't be wrapped up in guilt and shame but sadly it often is!

@PurplePansy05 totally agree, it's more important than ever for new mums, even if it's just a walk alone etc. With breastfeeding in the early days you can also feel a bit "touched out" during cluster feeding (I'm talking 10+ hour feeding sessions) but after about 3-4 months for me it became so easy and I loved it. The thing with expressing and breastfeeding is to me it always seemed a bit like double the work - when I finally got a break from breastfeeding, the last thing I wanted to do was express. Plus one of the main benefits of breastfeeding is no faff with bottles/sterilising equipment etc but I guess if you do both you have to do that too. Having said that I think the option of help outweighs those negatives and the cluster feeding really doesn't last long, it's just an initial hurdle you need to get over.

PurplePansy05 · 30/01/2021 10:03

@WatermelonKisses I cannot even imagine a 10 hour session, what!!! I had no idea! 😱 I might have to rethink my entire strategy then 😂

Smurf123 · 30/01/2021 10:39

For those worried about nipple confusion... No idea whether it's a myth or not or we were just lucky.. But when ds was born he ended up being taken straight to nicu and in an incubator.. He was on iv antibiotics amongst other things so for the first 5 days of his life we could hold lift him or hold him so no feeding. I tried expressing.. But didn't get a huge amount.. So they asked for permission to give some formula through the feeding tube which we obv said yes to so he had a mix of formula and xpressed milk. Then he was started on bottles day 5+6 - I'd been sent home of hospital so couldn't stay round the clock in nicu and they needed to know how much he was taking. On day 7 they asked if I wanted to try breastfeeding which I did. Ds latched on right away but continued to take a bottle occasionally. Once home he was mainly breastfed but with the odd bottle maybe a couple a week to let my mum take him to give me a break etc. Mostly I breastfed but I went back to work at 6 months and it meant he took a bottle with mum while I was at work... No matter how much he took with her he still wanted a breastfeed when I got home from work too.. So combi worked for us.. I hope to do the same this time (preferably without the nicu stay!) so dh can do a bottle during night sometimes

lucyrp · 30/01/2021 10:47

@PurplePansy05 I breastfed DS until he was 1 and then he went straight onto follow on formula when I went back to work. I tried to express but I just couldn't do it and it quickly dried up. In the time I breastfed I did express but only a little bit maybe when I was going out for a few drinks with the girls or if I was doing something else. I'm not overly fussed on pumping as long as I can feed fine. For me the option is if I can't breastfeed it'll be formula. I wouldn't entertain exclusively pumping as its just not for me.

Alittlexmasmagic · 30/01/2021 11:16

I BF DS until 14 months, exclusively after say 3/4 months as he rejected dummies and bottles when his teeth started coming through. Before that I did express but found I couldn't express lots. Just had to do a small amount daily and freeze for when needed.
I'm planning on potentially combi feeding this time with a bottle of formula before bed. BF is so convenient when out and about and brilliant for settling an upset child but very tying if baby won't accept a bottle to have someone help.x

PurplePansy05 · 30/01/2021 11:21

Thank you ladies. I do need to do some reading over the next few months by the looks of things. It's helpful to know re expressing that it might not always lead to much milk being expressed and sometimes it isn't as convenient actually. I've totally assumed that these things come naturally and "just happen", but obviously there's a lot more to this! Maybe best to prep for different options and see how it goes 😊

BertieBotts · 30/01/2021 13:16

Here's the link to the book in case anyone wanted to look.

www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B08VC4WFDG?fbclid=IwAR25dedoZM5cS0qIsubt6sXZvBcHas3PFNzOciOYr7hcvADYREwg2G7rfUo&tag=mumsnetforu03-21

Expressing can be tricky but some people find it easy. I think the key is to remember that when you're expressing, you're really getting the "excess" milk. Babies are more efficient than a pump and when a baby is feeding, you're getting all kinds of biological feedback which signal to your body that your baby is feeding and hence make more milk. A pump only really recreates two of these signals - the removal of milk and the sucking action (nipple stimulation). What you don't have is oxytocin, skin to skin, the smell of your baby and the hormonal feedback. You can often train your body to produce more by expressing regularly, indeed, that's what happens when someone exclusively pumps milk or pumps a large proportion of their baby's milk. But if you don't pump regularly, then you'll find as your milk supply regulates over the first 3-6 months and you stop leaking etc, you'll stop producing excess and then if you want to express after this point, you'll probably find you don't produce anything for the pump any more. It is then possible to increase pumping supply, but if you just want to do it as and when for the odd evening out etc, I (personally) found that wasn't really possible after about 6 months.

A lot of people like the idea of expressing for a bottle for their partner to feed, in reality I think this can end up being more work for you than you save by having your partner do one feed! Especially if you end up responsible for cleaning and sterilising the pump and bottle, organising storage of the milk, etc. OTOH, if you find you leak a lot, you can use breast shells or there's a "passive" pump out now called a Haakaa, which can be used to collect run-off milk that you're leaking, for example during feeding your baby, which is a common time to leak. This can then be decanted into a bottle to use as an extra feed, which can be no effort at all! But it doesn't work for everyone. I didn't leak a lot with DS1 and not at all with DS2.

I don't think nipple confusion is as big of an issue as people seem to think it is. Maybe for very tiny babies who are still learning to latch. I suppose it's good to be aware of it as a potential problem, but I def wouldn't get too hung up on it. OTOH a lot of people think if they introduce a bottle too late, then babies won't take to them at all but I don't think this is true either. Bottle refusal just seems to be a random thing that some babies decide to do at about 3-4 months old, and they will do it whether they have had a bottle beforehand or not.

I would say that 10+ hour cluster feeding sessions are rare (and tend to spread into the night if that happens anyway). If it gets too much at any point, you can always just put the baby down and go to another room. Yes, they might cry, but even if what they really want is milk, dads or other people can develop calming strategies for babies all of their own, and if there really is nobody else, they will be OK while you get your breath back for 5 minutes. Cluster feeding is common, but it's normally more like 2-3 hours at a time in the early evening, at a time when you generally want to be sat on your bum watching TV anyway, so it's not tooo bad to be immobile, it can be quite a nice excuse! Or set up your bed for safe co-sleeping (even if you don't want to do this as their main sleep space) and doze. Buy your partner a cookery book now if they don't currently cook Wink, batch cook for the freezer during late pregnancy and getting acquainted with a slow cooker and your local takeaways is also not a bad idea, because it does tend to happen right at tea time and breastfeeding makes you hungry. Cluster feeding is wearing but I think if you're expecting it, it's not quite as bad as if you are expecting them to feed for 10 minutes and then be put down for the next 2-4 hours.

Midwives in theory should be able to help you with establishing feeding, but unfortunately they don't all have good training or experience with BF... sometimes their advice can be really good, but sometimes it can be incomplete. I'd recommend that anyone who wants to BF locates a source near them which is reliable - whether that's a book or helpline or a support group or an IBCLC - it's just unfortunately a bit of a postcode lottery and a lot of NHS areas don't have breastfeeding support on staff, other than the very basic training midwives have (which might have been years ago and half forgotten). Health visitors aren't usually trained in breastfeeding, and neither are GPs. Hospitals tend to want you out ASAP even in normal times because they need the beds! But you should get midwife home visits up to about day 10 before being discharged back to HV.

Sorry this ended up really long...

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PurplePansy05 · 30/01/2021 13:19

@BertieBotts that was a super post, thanksa lot! I'm going to take notes of this! 😄 It's very, very helpful. I'll definitely need a book to read up beforehand!

WatermelonKisses · 30/01/2021 14:50

@smurf123 that's great it worked for you (minus the NICU stay) really hope we can try that this time

@PurplePansy05 I definitely agree with Bertie that the super long cluster feeding sessions are rare, don't mean to scare anyone 🙈 it is so so worthwhile once established. And some of the 2-3 hour evening sessions can be quite lovely, get your favourite show on and snacks and relax!

The midwife support I got was really fantastic both in the hospital and at home but then I have friends who didn't get the support and had to call in lactation experts. Such a shame it's a postcode lottery. I used to also go to a Breastfeeding Cafe which was run by NCT which was fab, you could get support if needed or just go for a chat/coffee/cake and open place to feed. Really hope they open back up, so worth checking if you have something like that nearby.

BananaHammock23 · 30/01/2021 18:14

@BertieBotts thanks for the informative post! Tbh I haven't given much thought to feeding beyond breastfeeding. I have it in my head that I'd like to express so my partner can feed the baby too. Mainly because I'm a freelancer and at the moment, I'm the one earning the £££ so I'll probably have to go back to work quite quickly. I feel quite relaxed about it but I'm thinking I should deffo do some more research!

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