Trying to make our fannies wider, Epi-no,no,no! All the pregnancy glamour of difficult shags, dribbly naps and pissy pants. JSers - encouraging food envy for 33 freds.

[DulcetMoans]

Welcome, welcome, welcome to the 32nd grads thread... celebrating the success of Just Shagging in getting us viroids upduffed!

For those that don't know, a 'viroid' is from the original JSing thread 1, where someone was trying to type ladies (in reference to all the JSing ladies), but their phone decided to call us all viroids instead!

The name stuck and we've been the JSing viroids ever since.

The thread we have graduated from is here in its 50th outing. WARNING: they're all a bit kerazy not to mention randy!

There is also a Just Mumming thread here for once your babies come along, or to keep up with the graduated graduates!

There is also a private facebook group (so it doesn't give the game away in your news feed!)... if you want to join to see photos of new babies etc, just ask in-thread!

Here is the stats list, please update your own spot with any updates.

Agreed gouda my mum EBF my sister but I was premature and the advice back then was to bottle feed.

My sister is the one who has suffered more illnesses, has allergies, asthma and (sorry, there is no polite way of saying this) she is not academically gifted and barely got 5 GCSEs.

I know it's a sample of two but I have no problem with bottle feeding. I am interested to try BF though.

I'm certainly going to try bf'ing because I do think the bonding and health for the mother reasons are worth it, but I also wouldn't feel guilty if I couldn't bf. I do think some people give up too easily though. My friend stopped after a week because she was too tired to bf, but I don't understand that tbh.

I was 100% bottle fed and I'm totally normal (twitches third eye)

I have done a lot of reading around BFing and most of the propaganda around boosting immune systems/increasing intelligence is clap trap. There is a tiny benefit to the baby in terms of reducing the number of stomach upsets (tiny!) and that is about it. As far as I can see, the benefits are: it's free, it's portable, I don't have to fanny about with bottles and it will help me to lose the baby weight - so lots of advantages for me I also like the idea of it, but some people don't and that is okay too. (My Mum just thought it was weird so didn't do it). Disadvantages for me - DH can't help such with feeds/I will be super tied to the baby for 6 months at least. I will give it a good go but no one will be making me feel guilty if it doesn't work out, they will get SCIENCE quoted at them if they do. Goes back to rubbing twitchy third eye

Snigger, just realised that last line sounds a bit like a euphamism

I'm absolutely pro choice, however you choose to feed your baby is no one else's business... but just to say, there's more to breastfeeding than nutritional/ immune benefits.... Babies use the breast for comfort, warmth, emotional and temperature regulation.... etc.

It's fucking hard work in the beginning though and noone prepares you for that. I'd look into local bf support workers/ peer supporters or LLL meets and keep their details handy for those first few weeks.

Glad the cat/water are back Dulcet/Bat

Purple, that kind of statement only really works if you're referring to the population as a whole. There's plenty of things you can do to reduce risk, one of which is BFing. And a formula top-up because of low sugars is no big deal, honest.

secondcupoftea sorry you didn't get the reaction you were hoping for from your parents! If it makes you feel better I am 28 weeks and my dad has never mentioned it haha - we are close but he just doesn't talk about feelings or anything like!

purple that does sound hard work! If you want to bf and you can then great but def don't pressure yourself. A couple of friends have said it is absolute hell for the first couple of weeks but then worth it if you can get through it. But then another friend took to it very easily. And some people don't at all.

Thanks lovelies. I typed that I wasn't sure I could be arsed at 37 weeks pregnant then deleted it cos I thought it made me sound selfish

Please please please don't anybody feel the pressure to bf at the expense of all else. It is marvellous, has lots of benefits, in some ways more convenient (pros and cons to both bf and bottles for convenience I found) but can be bloody hard work. I ended up mixed feeding and the guilt I felt was awful at the time. I found that bfeeding specialists and peer supporters were quite scaremongering (telling me my child would grow up stupid because I fessed up sometimes only a bottle of formula seemed to satisfy him was a particular highlight) but that's possibly the area I was in at the time (dreadful bf rates). Generally I found health visitors and doctors to be a bit more pragmatic but again, luck of the draw.

Ultimately if it's making you utterly miserable it's probably not doing you or baby any good and a formula top up is going to help if it'll save your sanity! I'm not expressing myself as well as I'd like due to continuing Headache Of Doom but with breastfeeding (and life in general) just try and be kind to yourselves

pud I'm afraid I have to respectfully disagree with you on that. Lower instance of stomach upsets in BF babies is not it, as far as I understand it. I know the WHO did a overview of a lot of breastfeeding studies in 2007. They looked into breastfeeding's effects on blood pressure, diabetes, serum cholesterol, obesity and intellectual performance. Whilst some benefits are obviously greater than others, every single one of these benefits were found to be statistically significant. As far as I'm concerned, whether you choose to breast feed or not, the fact that breastfeeding is proven to be most beneficial is undeniable. I know there are plenty examples of "I was bottle fed and I went to Oxford" or "My gran smoked 40 a day and lived till she was 90" But this is why studies look at larger sample sizes to see trends, and not just individual circumstances!!

Only just read purples post properly and saw that you were advised to EBF and told that it was how to prevent baby having diabetes! I was wondering why you were all so annoyed and now I see why!

Yes, totally not ok to tell you to do that! It's your choice whether to do that or not. Yes there are many pros to bf but they shouldn't be putting that pressure on you. If you need to top up with formula so what and if bf doesn't work out well then that's not your fault.

Sorry for not reading properly earlier, we were heading out for curry.

Ok here's the rest of my catch up:

Tea that's a bit pants of your parents. Sorry you had a disappointing reaction :(

Pretzel - sorry about MS return, hopefully its not back for long

Bf - I feel like I've talked the subject over so much that I don't have much else to add tbh. The benefits are plentiful and scientifically yes there is evidence to back them up, not just health benefits but also the bonding and comforting side. I will be doing my damnedest to do it, but I know people have said how tough it can be so I don't feel I can really form an opinion until I try.

I do believe that no one should be pressurised to make themselves miserable and frustrated trying to do something that simply isn't working for them, so I think it's unfair of anyone to make you feel guilty if you don't EBF.

We've just been for curry banquet and I'm very full! Had a wobble and a cry on way to dinner because I'm so fucking uncomfortable and sore. My hips are not doing well at night being slept on and it's starting to affect me during the day, so I can't sit for very long.

Been bouncing on ball and doing rotate to dilate Daisy exercises! Have totally forgotten a lot of my Daisy birthing so might improvise

Where is dulcet? Has she snuck off to have a baby?

Thanks indigo ... I couldn't think of a diplomatic way to phrase that!! I'm also respectfully disagreeing pud... (Especially without references )

Thanks La

I do plan to BF. I know it's a good thing to do. I hope I can do it for as long as I need to or am happy to. I feel a bit aggrieved that she was putting me under pressure.

The hand expressing before section does sound like a faff but I'll have a go.

There are lots of factors to why people get diabetes. My dad and my maternal grandma had it. I was over 40 when diagnosed. I've also been overweight all my adult life to varying degrees. So whether or not I was breastfed is quite likely irrelevant

Evening!

I am chilling out listening to one of my favourite albums and loading on the sofa. Bliss.

It's an album called Lion's Den by Bek O'Brien. Not sure where you can get hold of it - I bought it direct from the artist - but it is fabulous.

NDN was indeed in labour....since Saturday! She only had the baby this morning poor lass.
I vommed at work because it was hot and my spd hurts sooooo much.

Ah, you can stream it from her website []www.bekobrien.com/music/ here]]

Highly recommended.

clicky link

ga stop whining and harden the fuck up lass..

Sorry for being so shit viroids. Just catching up on the new thread. Sympathies to those in the first trimester, it's rubbish but when you get to about 9/10 weeks, you suddenly turn around and you're 15!

I've been getting awful headaches, on and off, read that it's a very common symptom. I'm 15+2 and happy to read that they tend to go at 16 ish weeks.

On the bfing, I'm definitely going to try it but don't want to be limited to it and the baby not having one bottle, so I'm hoping to do mixed feeding after about 4-6 weeks by expressing breast milk (assuming I can bf ok up until then). Anyone had any experience of this? Am I being wildly optimistic?

In more exciting news, I think I MAY have felt baby's movements this weekend and today. Little twitches/pops in my belly, only felt when lying down or sitting and only a few times, not all day or loads at once. Could it be? It doesn't feel like a muscle twitch but it may well be one!

looking how exciting, bet it is the baby you're feeling as I think 15/16 weeks is really common to start feeling them!

Looking DS had one bottle of expressed milk every day from about 4weeks. The time if day/night he had it depended on my needs rather than his ie; I needed a longer block if sleep, DH fed him in his first wake up. I needed to go out in the eve, DH gave him it as his bedtime feed.

It worked perfectly for us, so I see no reason why it shouldn't for you too if that's what you'd like

Looking that's really exciting!

If I'm right the bf reduction to diabetes chance is down to bf babies having less chance of becoming obese and therefore less chance of developing type 2 diabetes. Could be wrong though, that was just my interpretation of it.

Oh, and I couldn't express any colostrum either, but H was born at 36+2 and I don't think I was ready! I can't remember properly so may be wrong...but they only worry about baby's blood sugars if they're below 2.6 twice (am I right chat?) which is really low as you know purple. Try not to stress too much, the best way to keep baby's sugars right for straight after the birth is to keep yours in the magic 4-7 range during labour. If your sugars are higher then baby makes more insulin to deal with it, which is fine until they're born, then the extra insulin makes their own sugars low...so if you can keep yours in a good range there won't be the extra insulin made by your little boy, and he'll not go hypo after. Does that make sense?