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Due October 2006 - part 4

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nowanearlyNicemum · 22/08/2006 21:01

there we go - I did it.
just need for you all to find it now...

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BENDYB · 27/09/2006 08:28

hey wuzzle, I've just had a bad cold aswell, felt well ill, normally I would've had bout 10 lemsips but didn't think i better! lol! glad the rooms done! How have u decorated it? We have done ours like a jungle! its well cute.

pmoore-have fun at bluewater! xxx

wuzzlefraggle · 27/09/2006 08:49

hi bendy! not nice being bunged up and feeling like crap is it lol. hey your babys room sounds lovely! we have done ours trying to stick to an animal type theme (the basics are that its lilac with a farm yard animal type border) but with all the other bits and bobs it really does look nice

majormoo · 27/09/2006 09:06

morning all. I am jealous of your shopping trip Bendyb as was supposed to be going myself with my mum to Bluewater today. Was really looking forward to a day shopping while DD at nursery so I can actually look at stuff rather than chase round after her, but midwife advised against going because I need to try to get my BP down (and granted M25/Bluewater shopping probably wouldn't help!)

Girlygale, can't really help on the sex front as we haven't indulged for AGES. I just do not feel like it all. However, the few times we have managed it, I haven't felt any pain so it may be worth mentioning it to your midwife. Poor you. Maybe worrying about it is making it worse as well. Fingers crossed as you have done the whole birth thing before, that everything will come out a bit more intact this time afterwards.

BendyB/pmoore-as you say just see what happens with the breastfeeding. There is no way of knowing how it will go til your babies arrive.

I am another one who is definitely avoiding those big baby baths-they are just too heavy.

majormoo · 27/09/2006 09:07

except realised it is Pmoore not Bendyb going shopping-have a good time. Obviously too early to let myself loose on a computer!

BENDYB · 27/09/2006 09:18

lol majormoo, i am goin on sat though! 2get the pushchair, cant wait! Yeah just gonna have 2 wait & c how it goes with the breastfeeding.

wuzz ur room sounds lovely 2!

Speak 2 u all later, x

catgirl · 27/09/2006 09:19

morning - re the breast/bottle question, I have just finished reading a brilliant book from the library, called
"What to Expect When You're Breastfeeding and What If You Can't?: How to Feed and Settle Your Baby and Have a Life of Your Own by Clare Byam-Cook". When I googled her name this came up:

"She is a qualified nurse and midwife, but retired from practicing as midwife in 1985. In 1988 she joined Christine Hill, teaching at her private ante-natal classes in London, and for the last fifteen years she has specialised in helping mothers resolve feeding problems."

She recommends if you are going to mix breast with bottle to start the bottle before the baby is 3 weeks old, one feed a day (from personal experience of friends etc, nipple confusion didn't seem to exist, but that is personal opinion). She also says that you have most milk in the morning, so evening is best to substitute a bottle - expressed milk better as that shouldn?t interfere with supply, but formula is also ok. And if you can't breastfeed for whatever reason, don't beat yourself up important thing is baby is getting fed! So much confusing advice around, but from my experiences last time (lasted a month, was in agony for most of it = mastitis three times etc) she seems to make sense to me.

Re babybath - we have just thrown ours out - after storing it in the loft for 4 years! DS hated it, but was fine in a bath support - as someone said, you can then use both hands too.

sorry this is long, must get on with some work now!

clon · 27/09/2006 10:31

Hello all

Thanks for all the breastfeeding advice, really good to hear all your views, thanks so much it's invaluable to a newbie like me!

I have had a couple of goes at the perennial massage but find it so hard with bump in way, need to get dh on the case.

MSTG I'm starting to get very scared, had a tour of the labour ward last night, I really didn't like it, spent the car journey on the way home telling dh how much he needs to support me, he's been great and is happy to go over all scenarios now to make sure he fully understands my wishes before I completely lose it! He is so much more ready than me!

Swizzler I'm not going to bother getting a baby bath, I've had so many people tell me they are a waste of time.

My dh's birthday tomorrow so have to go on a shopping trip now and muster up some imaginative pressies, brain is mush!

Gemmitygem · 27/09/2006 11:11

morning!

Just had 38 week scan at hospital and thank God the baby's head head has gone down and it's partially engaged (it was breech at 30 weeks). So all that optimum foetal positioning and swimming has worked!

The Belgian system is a bit weird and your gynaecologist comes along in a blaze of glory right at the end to deliver the baby, which I'm not sure about, but apparently the aftercare is very good (5 days in the hospital!, sounds great to me!)

Clon, like you I felt weird going round the labour rooms: they don't have a very good karma about them, that's for sure! I felt like my mum's cat shivering as she enters the vet's because she senses that other animals have been in pain there!

Has anyone done hypnobirthing? I bought the book, which was crap as it was just a bit advert for the courses, but listened to the CD yesterday and that was really good, although very American, and you really feel relaxed after listening to it..

sallyrosie · 27/09/2006 11:30

God - I don't come on here for a day and there is so much to catch up one!

Hope all is going well for you Emzickle...

Girlygale - we're still having sex, am now 39 weeks (by their dates, 40 by mine) and absolutely HUGE so only positions possible (sooo sorry for way TMI) are lying on side or leaning on pillows. Doesn't hurt though, although (again way TMI) need to use lubricant. But it has given me thrush (grrrr) and then bloody chemist wouldn't sell me any canesten cream. Tried to explain to her that thrush doesn't feel any different when you're PG and a bit of cream isn't going to do baby any harm but no she insisted that I go to GP. So I got DH to buy it instead. Sex definitely brings on lots of braxton hicks though but nothing else. Think raspberry leaf tea was what was making me sick so have stopped it. Vile anyway.

Re the breastfeeding thing - I don't know about nipple confusion. I heard it last time, but then someone pointed out to me that babies are programmed to suck on anything you stick in their mouths and my sisters kids seemed to manage fine with a bottle or a boob or a dummy, so TBH I am wondering if its all a bit of a myth. I have to do a course in early November, so will need to be away from baby and I am planning to express and store milk then. Plus I am planning to get DH to give baby some EBM feeds from a bottle so that I can spend time alone with DD too. Re breastpumps, I found Avent one not very good, preferred Medela electric one but it is very expensive so only really worth it if you're going back to work and need to squeeze the milk out! Avent one perfectly good for the odd bottle. Think some people find it easier to express than others, and one of my boobs was impossible to get anything out of. Breastfeeding is a lovely feeling, particularly in the middle of the night when you just plonk them on the boob in the dark then straight back into crib without having to get out of bed. Plus the weightloss benefits...

MSTG I am having a major attack of nerves. I am just so tired at the minute, can't sleep and feel breathless when I lie down cos of the enormous bump. Coping with my DD seems too much on most days and I have no idea how I'll manage with 2 to look after. Plus my DH is on nights this weekend so I am praying that baby either arrives like TODAY or after the weekend...
Just feel scared about everything - coping after the birth, coping with the birth, hoping nothing goes wrong...burst into tears on DH this morning at breakfast. I feel like I have the 'baby blues' but don't have the baby yet. He thinks prob hormones changing at end of PG. Just want to get back to being able to fasten my shoes and climb the stairs, but the knowledge that getting like that is going to mean another child to look after...AAAGGGGHHHHH!!!!! What was I thinking!!!

Anyway, am back off to bed - told in no uncertain terms by DH to rest today so am doing some sewing - never get the time normally so feels like a treat for me - and may potter for short walk with dogs later. DD at nursery today so can relax. Hope you all have a good day - not long to go...

Milliee · 27/09/2006 11:49

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whiffy · 27/09/2006 12:52

Hello everyone. Finally got them to release Hannah and let us come home. she was very poorly with somehting called TTN and something called RVS and then two infections on top so we were worried sick (even though logically we knew that she wasn't at deaths door or anything). Anyway she is home now. Her weight is down to 6lb 6 but she is breastfeedign for england at the moment so am hoping that comes back soon.

C-section went like a dream (honest) though I was shi**ing bricks when I went in. Had to laugh though as all the staff in theatre were male and young and all very goodlooking and flirting like hell with me. Felt like I'd wandered into an episode of the Green Wing. DH said he nearly fainted when he saw one of them up to his elbow inside me. With a TOWEL. Freaky. I felt no pain but did feel them moving round inside.

Anyway recovery is fine and I'm doing well.

Have read through the threads briefly and can;t stay to talk long but had a couple of bits of comments...

Thrush - if you can't use canestan, natural yogurt works.

breast & bottle. I used both last time - expressed with a madela and stored so we could go out and I could occasionally have DH do the night rota. Can't recommend it highly enough though with me I had to use a nipple shield because DS got confused between breast and bottle at the start. Using nipple shield not a problem really, just had to take one with me everywhere I went.

Swizzler - cannot believe you are leaving conkers round the house and not ROASTING THEM and munching them with lashings of butter. At the farmers market here in Canterbury they charge a small fortune for tiny bags of them, and I remember when I was a kid I would go to the woods every autumn and pick bagfuls for my mum as a treat for her. If I remember rightly my mum favoured par-boiling them for a few minutes and then roasting them on high for 20 mins or so but you will probably find a recipe if you google horse chestnuts roasting or something.

Re hospital bags: don't forget DRINKING STRAWS. whichever way they come out you won't want to sit upright for 24 hours. drinking straws are a lifesaver. If I could only take one thing in to hospital with me it would be straws. I also packed ribena and evian and was very glad i did as hospital water was stael and disgusting.

RE Helios homeopathy kits - I used one this tme and found it fab because I knew in advance what I needed for a C-S (arnica, celendula, Hypericum, Bellis Per) but I must confess that I found it less helpful with natural labour as it was difficult to distinguish between all the different options of how I was feeling quickly enough for DH to extract the correct treatment... but it was good for after labour and the dosage is much stronger than you can buy in health shops etc.

Re bottles: found Dr Brown bottles to be fab - they have a funny contraption that makes it easier for babies to drink without getting wind/colic. Never needed to burp DS when I used these.

Hope Emzickle doing ok and that all you ladies with high PB take it easy; I can personally confirm that hospital food does not get better with familiarity so avoid getting yourself admitted early at all costs. In fact I think I carried on with the morphine more in order to stomach the food than to ease the after-pain.

Also, just before I had DD I discovered that Gaviscon have brought out new version of gunk - double action or something - much much better than the other types.

Off to go cuddle my daughter.

whiffy x

whiffy · 27/09/2006 12:57

Oh and Millie - don't worry about the changing thing - you will get used to their habits of when they poo/wee so can fairly accurately work out when they do/don't need changing. FWIW in special care last week they only recommended changing every 6 hrs regardless... I do that more now I'm home but its not something to stress about - so long as you put the sudo cream on each time your LO will be fine.

mamado · 27/09/2006 13:00

Whiffy do you really mean conkers [horse-shestnuts] and not chestnuts? As far as I'm aware conkers are not edible, although I may be wrong! Apparently they keep spiders out of the house though!

Oh and congratuations on getting home with your little babe - enjoy these magical first few weeks x

Milliee · 27/09/2006 13:06

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sallyrosie · 27/09/2006 13:51

Congratulations Whiffy, so glad that little Hannah is out of hospital and doing well!!

Milliee - re the nappies - I used 'real' nappies last time. I only used to change her at night if she'd done a poo, otherwise a combination of very absorbent nappy and fleecy liner kept her dry all night.

marthahm · 27/09/2006 14:27

whiffy glad you're home now and that hannah's feeding well.
girlygale, you're not the only one, has been really uncomfortable having sex on the rare occasion more recently. some positions are much better, it must be something to do with the changes in the cervix etc. i found it was a bit like this at the beginning of the pg too. i haven't had other kids, but i did have surgery in january last year where they cut bits out and sewed back together for pre-cancerous changes so prob. similar to epesiotomy. maybe it makes you more sensitive? it can get a bit upsetting but i think i'm more relaxed about it now and to be honest i'm so large now that it's almost impossible anyway!

nowanearlyNicemum · 27/09/2006 14:38

great to hear from you whiffy - and to know that you and Hannah are both doing really well. what do TTN and RVS stand for?
oh, and thanks for the reminder about drinking straws... nearly forgot those.

gemmitygem, bet you're pleased baby's in the right position and raring to go

I feel absolutely knackered today. Why is it only when I'm fit to drop that dd decides she's not having a nap???? She's playing really well right now but I know what she's going to be like from 5pm until bedtime... the devil's child

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Rumpel · 27/09/2006 14:50

Hi everyone!
whiffy - great news that you are both out of hospital and enjoying early babydom.

Why is it hospital food is so revolting? There is always far too much salt in it, despite the fact that health watchdogs are always trying to get the general public to reduce salt intake. Combine that with the roasting temperature in hospitals - it's awful!

I am sooooooo scared now!! Agggg! Am totally pissed off being pg - have actually been pg for a year now as I lost one last year. Feel like utter crap when prg too, so am looking forward to feeling 'well' and 'normal' again, however, go through emotions of:

I am ready for this and can cope.
My body knows what to do.
I am a woman and millions of women do this all the time.
There is nothing I can do but surrender as baby needs to come out some how.

Then:

OMG it is going to hurt like hell!
What if they need to cut me?
What if I tear?
What if I can't do this?
What if I poo everywhere?
What if something goes wrong?
What if I don't get to hospital in time?

My mind is just going around and around from a postitive thought to a negative - basically the first time it is just fear of the unknown isn't it?
I suppose second time, at least you know why your scared - 'cos it does hurt!!

At least I managed to get a decent sleep last night so feeling slightly more compus mentus today.

Gingeme · 27/09/2006 14:59

How lovely to have Hanna home with you whiffy.So glad shes feeding well. LOve the bond you feel while breast feeding.
Not sure about terry nappies and how absorbant they are but with disposable yes you can just plonk them back into the cot after a feed. But as saalyrosie said you soon get used there ways.
Be careful with the conkers my uncle told me all the horse chestnut trees in the south east have some sort of disease. But Im sure theyre not edible anyway.

marthahm · 27/09/2006 15:06

would you believe have just spent about 2 hours reading last dec antenatal thread-i'm losing my marbles. couldn't resist after started reading carrying on to see how they got on. has got me quite excited, also makes you realise how the due date is so not the date the baby will arrive. by my reckoning of their postings i'm likely to have 2 extra weeks which means being patient for at least 4 and a half weeks more. never mind. i will concentrate on the important things like eating ice cream and watching the west wing.
am i being pathetic not wanting to go out in the evening any more. my non pg friends keep asking me which night i'm available to meet up and just can't face it.

Rumpel · 27/09/2006 15:25

marthahm - I can't even be bothered speaking to anyone at the mo'! I leave the answering machine to pick up messages and only phone back if I feel like it. I also scout the windows before venturing out to hang out the washing/go to the bin etc as I can't be arsed speaking to the neighbours! I just want to be left alone.
I don't feel bad about it though - I know myself pretty well and I know that's just the way I am.

Good friends will understand you and how you feel so don't worry - be selfish just now, as by all accounts we won't be able to again for a very long time!

wuzzlefraggle · 27/09/2006 15:44

whiffy - glad to hear that you have your dd home with you now xox

is it just me, or is anyone else's eating habits going awol? one day im like a bottomless pit, the next, i can barely face food at all!

oh, and definatly know how some of you ladies feel re feeling unsociable...my fave weather at the mo is rain (as its when no-one is really about) and i just cant be bothered with people the only thing im happy doing is either watching dvds,being in the bath or eating sweet things lol.

Milliee · 27/09/2006 15:52

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DogMum · 27/09/2006 17:13

Sorry to hear about your 'difficulties', girlygale. Afraid I can't help as this is my first baby. Have you thought about asking your midwife. It must be quite common.

Welcome back Whiffy and huge congratulations. I still can't imagine what it will be like to have a baby. I've also realised that during the second stage, I'm going to have the head there (hurting like hell) and contractions (hurting like hell) and I'm starting to wonder whether this is a good idea.

Marthahm, I think it's pretty normal not to want to go out in the evenings at this stage. I'm having a last meet-up with friends this week and I'm planning to leave by 8pm. They're going to have to learn that your life is changing. One day, they'll understand.

Lisamarv · 27/09/2006 17:15

Hi everyone. Know what you mean about being difficult to do the perineal massage yourself - unfortunately I don't have a partner so I am having to manage on my own, don't think I'll be able to get down there if this bump grows any bigger though!
RE: breast pump, I read loads of reviews and spoke to a few women who've had experience of expressing and have gone for the ameda lactaline dual electric pump - £80 new. It has great reviews and being a double pump means you can pump both breasts at once or feed from one and pump from the other...
Had a doctor's appt today, he said he is confident that the baby is head down and so won't agree to giving me a scan on the NHS. Think he was a bit pissed off 'coz it sounded like I was doubting his judgement... but they can be wrong! My hairdresser's friend had her baby 3 weeks ago (she had the same MW as me) and 3 different midwives checked her at the hospital before one finally realised the baby was breech and she has to have an emergency CS. I think I'm just gonna pay the £140 for the private scan. Have a reflexology appointment on Fri eve and the reflexologist is a retired midwife so I'll get her to feel the bump and see what she thinks first...
Ooh, re: nappy changing at night, I'm going to be using reusable nappies and I've been told not to change them at night unless they are poo-ey as the baby will settle back to sleep quicker after feeding if just put back into the crib... if you have to turn lights on and change nappy then they are going to be more "awake" and find it harder to get back to sleep. I'm just going to use a thick nappy like a Minki Huggle with booster for overnight so should be absorbant enough to last 'til morning.

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