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Cavort · 04/12/2013 08:48

The over 30's expecting or just had their first baby.

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Cavort · 14/01/2014 21:22

Oooh, honeymoon planning, how exciting!! Hmm, what to do with a baby though? I think it's an entirely personal decision based on how comfortable you are leaving him, but if it were me I think I would want a baby-free shagathon few days immediately afterwards followed by a longer family holiday. I spent my wedding night in a campervan at a festival and the night before the wedding together in the Honeymoon suite though so maybe don't listen to me. Grin If you do go away as a family maybe splash out on a suite so M has his own room and you and your new DH can have some alone time after he has gone to bed?

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Alexandra6 · 14/01/2014 23:10

7-7 with one wake up sounds amazing!

Had a midwife app and S was weighed today and she's doing well, 60th centile, so seems like bf is working for us. However after our lovely three days, today she's had a shocker! Don't know if it's wind, overtiredness, reflux...but I've had hours of feeding, crying/screaming, winding, spitting up...and with not much sleep last night, I'm shattered! Have been resorting to the dummy loads out of desperation!

MotherOfCleo · 15/01/2014 08:42

my baby is broken...up at 3.30, 5.30, 7.30 yawn

HazleNutt · 15/01/2014 10:24

eating better here, but still waking a lot. I now consider it a good night if I get 3 hours straight. Luckily he hasn't done the cav special any more, falls asleep again immediately, but still up at 11, 12, 1..

How do your babies manage gagging with finger foods? I fed him, then gave him a banana to chew on - he liked it a lot, but then of course bit a big chunk off, gagged and threw up everything I had managed to stuff in him. Hmm

janey what about Rome, if you're thinking about a city trip? It's still warm in September, I would go walk around and eat in some nice restaurant in Trastevere one evening and then here the second one: www.romecavalieri.de/lapergola.php
Bloody expensive, but excellent food and amazing view of the city.
Or - do the wine route in Alsace! Some gorgeous little towns here - but then you should take M so they could meet up with V.

Alexandra6 · 15/01/2014 10:56

Love Rome, my fave city break. What about amalfi coast, you loved it there janey?

Someone mentioned self settling, how and when do you go about that? I know like most things it's prob down to what your baby's like. At the moment, Sophia has to be asleep and then sneakily eased into her bed. Then her dummy is needed if she stirs. Does a dummy count as self settling or is that relying on a dummy too much? I have been debating putting S in her bed when she's awake more, but that results in frustration/crying. Feeding her to sleep seems to work so I do that usually, including during the day when she sleeps best on me.

I'm not stressing about doing things right or anything, as these days I do anything to keep her calm and happy, but just wondering about self settling and how to get there eventually!

janey1234 · 15/01/2014 12:22

All babies are so different, but for Miles it took swaddling to help him "learn" self settling. I used to make sure he was full, and to try and catch him before he was really tired... Would put him down and swaddle him, and then pat him until he fell asleep. Then I used to not bother patting him. I only used to do this by day as by night I was too tired! Then from about four months I took away his dummy at night time as someone told me that they can wake frequently if they can only sleep with a dummy... So now he's just put down at night wide awake and he sleeps If he nods off feeding at bedtime I wind him until he wakes up a bit as I'm worried about him losing this "skill" and bedtime becoming a nightmare! Daytime self settling is non existent though as he's far too nosey and excited by everything around him these days.

I wonder if maybe we should stay somewhere lovely in the uk not far from where we're getting married (Cotswolds) like babington house or something, then go abroad as a family? I do love Italy lots. But then wonder if maybe we should go somewhere new. Quite tempted by South Africa - plus there's not much of a time difference - am I mad?!

Cavort · 15/01/2014 13:54

Janey I agree that Italy would be gorgeous in September (or any time for that matter). We went Rome, Sorrento, Venice and Lake Garda and I loved them all. So nice just to have a leisurely walk around and stop at street cafes for some great food and a large glass of fabulous Italian vino. If you go to Venice I recommend staying on the Lido, which is much more chilled, has an absolutely fabulous beach and is just 10 mins in a water taxi across to Venice itself. With a UK break I guess it depends on how much you value nice weather. Grin I don't think you are mad with South Africa but isn't September still their Winter?

Alex after months of worrying that we haven't got a self-settler, I now truly believe it's a complete load of bollocks which is mostly pedalled by alleged sleep experts, most of which have books to sell which will miraculously tell you how do do it. Yes it's great if your baby can do it, and you should definitely give them the opportunity to learn, but it depends entirely on the individual baby's temperament and development and I don't think there's anything wrong with a baby if they want a cuddle from their caregiver in order to settle to sleep. After all, babies have evolved to want to be close to their parents to protect them from harm. I think this is a great article on the subject which he then followed up with this article - Part 1 and Part 2 which are well worth reading, especially the parts about the development of the vagus nerve.

On a personal level, when E was born she was exactly like S and had to be rocked and then put down asleep. This has gradually evolved to where we are now, which is that we wind her down before bed/naps so she's sleepy but put her down awake and and she generally settles off herself in her cot, but DH or I have to still be in view until she's asleep (which only takes a few minutes), so I don't think it counts as the elusive self-soothing, but it's still progress from where we were a few months ago. She will sleep with or without a dummy. The exception to this is night feeds where she ends up feeding to sleep if she's not waking up for 2 sodding hours and I can't be bothered to wake her up to put her back down awake when she's fast asleep at 3am, so I put her down asleep. If something is working for you why worry about it?

Hazle I am just letting her gag and vomit the food back up. Blush I figure it's all a learning curve and she has to learn to chew before swallowing so as long as someone is around to make sure she doesn't choke we are just going with the flow (and cleaning up the mess!). This morning she had some porridge and a yoghurt and then I gave her a piece of my toast, which she gagged on and threw up, but I think the majority of the porridge and yoghurt did stay down.

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HazleNutt · 15/01/2014 14:05

Trouble is that V is not a good eater, but he is a good ..erm..puker? So pukes out everything we have finally managed to stuff into him, which is of course such a waste of time.

MotherOfCleo · 15/01/2014 15:51

We went to Lake Garda and Venice and I would definitely choose Lake Garda over Venice, Venice was nice for a trip but I wouldnt want to stay their. Thats just me though.

Thankfully H will self settle at night, he used to during the day too but now he is too nosey and has to see whats going on, he will settle sometimes as long as he can see I'm close by.

I had my coil fitted today and was impressed that it didnt hurt at all, I actually hardly felt it.

MotherOfCleo · 15/01/2014 15:52

Also janey my OH is from africa and we would love to go to SA so I think that would be a lovely honeymoon. Grin

Purplemonster · 15/01/2014 17:31

I always said I'd go to SA on honeymoon, been my dream for years (not going to happen though, don't wear my engagement ring anymore but that's a whole other story) the only problem with Africa is the scary diseases. I had a fabulous holiday in The Gambia (West Africa) a few years ago but with all the anti malarial drugs and yellow fever vaccine etc I'm not sure I'd dare take a baby there.

janey1234 · 15/01/2014 19:41

It's a good point purple, but I think as South Africa isn't near the equator it's considered a low to no risk destination for malaria, unlike Gambia / Kenya etc.

Cavort - yep, I think they will just be coming out of winter but looks like it will be like nice warm spring weather which with a baby may well be perfect? Or we could wait until later in the year.

Who knows. Really ought to get round to organising the wedding first!

Alexandra6 · 15/01/2014 19:47

Yeah don't forget you've got to make sure you pick horrific bridesmaid dresses to embarrass us Grin

Tallyra · 15/01/2014 19:53

Just in case you need a bridesmaid dress, I've got one I need to sell... Wink

Quodlibet · 15/01/2014 20:23

Ooh I'd love to go to SA too.

Cavort I bought Wonder Weeks on your recommendation and think W is going through the first 'leap'. Lots of crying for no reason and needing to be cuddled more than normal. She has taken to napping on my chest (which I love) but is also doing a lot more unexplained crying which is totally out of character for her. I am very much hoping it is a short lived phase.

Cavort · 15/01/2014 21:28

Quod I will hazard a guess based on the how the last 6 months have gone and say it will be short lived... until the next one arrives. Grin I find I am much more tolerant of the crankiness if I feel there is an explanation for it though so the WW is great in that respect. Here the WW says separation anxiety is about to hit us sometime soon so looking forward to that. Hmm

Here, E did her usual last night and got up 4.30-6.00am... but then lay in until 9.45!!! Which is absolutely unheard of! So, as great as it was, we've tried her with 2 naps and bed earlier tonight so I hope we're not in for a night of hell.

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BlearyeyedLol · 15/01/2014 21:38

Well we had a bit of a shit night last night with L only settling in bed with me. Then today she's had loads of visitors and is very agitated. We fly at midnight. God help me with a cranky baby for 8 hours on a plane!
We're also going through a leap and L seems to be feeding less than normal. And is now also very interested in food. So I will stray weaning next week.
Janey I think SA could be an option depending where you go. They do have safety issues but a long as you are not wandering around town with a baby on your own you would be ok I reckon!
See you on the other side Wink

Quodlibet · 15/01/2014 22:13

Good luck Lol - will you miss brazil? I love it there.

Cav I hope you are right... Though the WW seems to show a pretty much even spread of thunderclouds and sun overall. As you say, it's just so much easier if you can find some kind of explanation for it all.

If you want a laugh check out the Arsepaste thread

Alexandra6 · 15/01/2014 22:45

It really helps having some sort of explanation. S had a mixed day today - windy this morning but walking around and a tummy tub bath helped. She loves her bath, huge smiles. Then she slept through my NCT meet up for hours which was great, but she's been crying lots this evening. WW says sunshine but I think she's suffering with tummy probs as she was burping/puking quite a bit and has just passed out after a massive puke (oh the glamour). Either way, totally agree an explanation helps even if it's just that she is suffering with wind/reflux. much better than all this "good" and "bad" baby bullshit

Alexandra6 · 15/01/2014 22:51

That thread's really making me laugh quod Grin

Cavort · 15/01/2014 23:04

Quod that thread is hilarious! Grin Grin Grin

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BraveLilBear · 16/01/2014 00:48

Wonder Weeks is really useful - a great purchase in my opinion. As H seems to be hitting the leaps like a calendar so closely, I've timed my return to work for a sunny period, just before separation anxiety is due to hit.

Tough couple of days here - two full days of whingeing and crying but charm personified today. However, now on second get up of the night. I think we're very close toa first tooth.

In other news, I'm now offering up to two ice cubes of food a day and he seems so keen. Today we had a weaning rest day (we were out and about) and I realised that on food days he's hardly ever sick any more.

This probably suggests he has had reflux all this time but I never did anything about it. Feel pretty guilty.

Also - he's now terrified of the hoover. He has seen it before now honestly!

janey1234 · 16/01/2014 05:04

M also terrified of the Hoover. And me blowing my nose - every time I do it he bursts out crying!

Great thread quod, so funny Smile

M slept 7pm - 5.35am unbroken! Shock Amazing! Just brought him into bed with us for a feed. Letting him sleep here for the next hour as a reward Wink plus I can't be arsed to take him back to his own room

janey1234 · 16/01/2014 05:48

Oh. Turns out my phone was wrong. 4.35am. Damn it, only just realised as I've seen the kitchen clock. Back to bed it is then... Confused

HazleNutt · 16/01/2014 10:29

V is doing better with food and sleep is improving - not drastically, but still.

Another question, now that your babies are being weaned, how much milk are they still drinking? As V still does not care much about bottles, I'm worried he's not having enough.