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March 2013 IX: Cruising to Christmas with burgeoning bumps

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Sheldonella · 30/11/2012 08:22

Thanks sarahs999 for the lovely new thread name :)

Old thread here

No 9, can you believe it Grin

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OodKingWenceslas · 19/12/2012 17:12

She was back here earlier, wants to get past midnight.

Sheldonella · 19/12/2012 17:15

pink I haven't got the metallic taste but I have got a bit of the first trimester nauseous feeling back. I was hoping I had left all those symptoms behind Confused
zoey I hope you are still in bed!

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EthelredOnAGoodDay · 19/12/2012 18:41

My labour was a bit long (28 hours from first twinge to delivery), bit challenging (ventouse, retained products) and bit messy (PPH), but am still doing it again, so can't have been so terrible! Grin remind me I said that when it starts up again this time...

manda I think planned sections are generally a very calm experience, three of 4 friends with recent twins had sections and all had good positive experiences. Vaginal childbirth is IME knackering. As one of my good friends said, it's not called labour for nothing, and I think that knowing you've got the prospect of two little babies to look after, I wouldn't worry too much about not having a 'natural delivery'... Most of those I know with sections have been almost back to normal after a few weeks, you just have to learn to take it a bit easier after the initial op.

theTramp · 19/12/2012 19:00

Tribble and Sarah - I'm in for a cuppa & slice of cake in NY. Shall we sort via FB, see if anyone else also fancies?

My theory on the "can't have been too bad as doing it again.." Is rosey glasses syndrome. If it didn't exist the human race wouldn't be here :)

I'm on way home following Christmas lunch/party with clients. Feel v dull bailing but I was far from the first & I was only sober bod. Also I'm about ready to crumple in a heap. Weather is vile this evening. Here's hoping wait for train is short & I can crawl into bed for a wee nap before MrM gets home & makes supper.

I was about to pick up on something else that was said here but it's gone. Stupid brain. Ohh oh yes, nausea being back - yes! Although not as bad as 1st trimester.

Metallic taste; try not to use metal spoons with cold stuff and switch your mouth wash to something antisepticy. Helps me.

EthelredOnAGoodDay · 19/12/2012 19:07

tramp poss rose tinted specs, poss that desire for another child outweighed the, IME, fecking horrendous 24 hours or so of hard physical work and pain that is labour and childbirth. Wink
The labour is just the start of it. The real work starts once they're here! But despite all the shitty bits, it's still worth it!

theTramp · 19/12/2012 20:01

Ethel - phew! Cause I have been told that if you're unhappy there's no returns policy...

Rainbowbabyhope · 19/12/2012 20:11

While I wouldn't class the sensations experienced in labour as anything like pain, I can't deny its hard work - like a really long spinning session at the gym!

JoJoBella84 · 19/12/2012 20:30

tramp not even if you keep the receipt?

sundaesundae · 19/12/2012 20:39

you got a receipt?

EthelredOnAGoodDay · 19/12/2012 20:45

Yeah tramp although there have been occasions where I fleetingly wondered about invoking my statutory rights! Wink

I think the one thing you CAN say about it all, with certainty, is that everyone is different and each labour is different.

Well, have had a frustrating day working from home, on the slowest laptop known to man and having to deal with email coments/complaints on a scheme we are working on. We receive poorly researched and spurious complaints almost weekly from a small but very active group of opponents to a scheme I am working on. They make it their mission to send factually incorrect missives by email every week or so. We correct them and give the factual details only fir them to send yet another email a few days later, reasserting the inaccuracies we have just corrected. It is all very tiresome. Bit I guess it's part of the job if you work in public service...
And on top of that, had the second part of the root canal work, which actually I'm comparison to my day's work, wad actually not too bad! Grin

Last day at work tomorrow for 2012, so it's not all bad. Lunch out, hopefully at Bettys, with my female colleagues and then DH should be home at tea time! Yippeee!!

Just having a chip butty for tea. Very nutritious!

JoJoBella84 · 19/12/2012 20:48

ethel I had a chip butty. I wasn't really hungry but figured I should eat something. Had a ham salad sandwich for lunch though so not a terribly unhealthy day if you ignore the slice of rhubarb pie and the two frosted fancies Xmas Blush

Countmyblessings · 19/12/2012 21:31

I just can't keep up with this thread it moves at record speed and so much is happening a quick recap with no name checks as cant remember am posting from iPhone!
Sorry about the hold on the house works that must be such a pain!! I can't imagine what builders are playing at apart from trying to get more money!
Bah humbug!!!!!
I can't imagine carrying 2 as I'm huge and with my 1
Are you doing the matching outfits? I always wanted twins it just never happened!!!
Terry nappies info was very useful and I'm def going to do it again much cheaper then buying constantly!!!
My dd for the baby I lost in April was yesterday! Wasn't a bad day but just was thinking of what would of been but never did!!
As this baby kicked so felt surreal !
Suitcases all packed cant wait for Christmas wish I could fast forwards then pause for a bit!!!!
I'm also getting a few pains my body is constanly reminding me I'm not 23 any more so running around trying to get loads done just don't work as the pains I get after is awful feeling really old and very big with 2 months to go that's not good!!! Feel very grateful so try not to moan!

theTramp · 19/12/2012 21:41

JoJo - not even with a receipt. Go figure!

Ethel - if dental work is more fun than actual work all is not good!

Ah aches & pains. Yep walking is getting more creaky and achey. Welcome back pain. Bah!

OctoberCarrot · 20/12/2012 08:19

confuddled. Hope you and baby had a good night and that everything goes well today. 20-12-2012 would be a rocking birthday I have to say. A lifetime of greatness.

All ok here. DS had a fab day yesterday though his cold is worse unfortunately so we had a long night. Keep dosing him with calpol and nurofen so hopefully he will rally today. He is suppose to be going to my mums tomorrow for 2 nights so we can go to a wedding. Hoping he will be ok or we might have to rethink.

Quiet day today staying indoors and hoping everything gets better. Tired myself so am happy enough. Can't believe it is nearly Christmas. Feel so disorganised.

Hope everyone is doing well. Am 28+5 today. Wow....

Oc x

mandasand · 20/12/2012 08:20

Yesterday was my last work day out of the house till d-day, and although I have wild ideas about getting into London and Reading once more again in January before the twins are born mid-Feb I am gradually accepting that it would be daft, not to mention probably impossible! I've stockpiled enough work and, although there's more I could do, and will need to do during mat. leave, I think I will be hibernating for good now and that's a bit of a relief.

Zoey you at home again today? by which I don't mean shopping in Co-op!

Had another great NCT meeting last night. We're not meeting in the group for another three weeks so instead have exchanged emails in the hope of meeting up in between times. Confirmed in my first opinion that everyone is lovely!

Sorry your NCT meet wasn't as well attended, Tramp. Were the other couple nice/local? Great about the SE London meet! Am sure you'll all have fun Smile

WC arm isn't too sore, only when I lean on it, thank goodness!

As those on FB know (sorry!) I had a few issues yesterday with leakage yesterday, and not even when I'm sneezing or coughing, yikes! Seems a baby is lying v. low on my bladder (or, at least, that's what I'm hoping, rather than having suddenly become generally incontinent!)

Re CS, thanks Em, Pink, Ethel and October for fabulous stories. Now it's more certain and I've been telling people I'm feeling even more positive about it.

(Pink your births sounds great!)

And thanks Ood for sharing Confuddled's thread - I'd never have found it otherwise.

Ethel hurray on getting another stage of root canal work done!

Countmyblessings no, we're not doing matching outfits or even pink / blue gender stereotyping - sorry to disappoint, hehe!

eigmum · 20/12/2012 08:31

Just managed to catch up with all the news as a stressful week at work coupled with a sick child ( ear and throat infection with a temp over 40 oc) has made this week exhausting! And come Saturday my parents , sister her dog and my mil all descend for Christmas here. Thank you God for ocado!

Manda - I had a planned c section the first time because of placeta previa. It was fine. We waited and waited to see if placenta would move, it didn't so had my 39 week appointment and consultant said I'll see you tomorrow at 7 am to have the baby, gave me some anti sickness drugs and blood clotters to take, instructions not to eat and back I came to hospital the ext morning. Jojo is right about the scary consent form but the whole thing was fine and I had him handed to me in the theatre while they were sorting me out. In recovery I was the best by far as it was planned as the emergency girls were suffering a lot a d vomiting. My mobility was a bit less than some that just seemed to pop them out but most of my nct group h ad largish boys and we are all petite so I was no worse of than the other who had normal births and stitches. Baby got agar scores of 10 and 10 so never left my side which was lovely.

So better organize my Christmas stuff today. Have nothing for new baby yet but plan to do that after Christmas. Was a bit freaked out when I went for my 28 week scan yesterday and the lady before me was told not enough fluid around baby, waters had broken so sending her to hospital! Mine was fine. She is in 40 percentile and I am measuring a bit small for dates at 25 but I am tiny anyway and doc seemed unbothered. My blood pressure is 80 over 40 ..... Can it get any lower!

Sorry for the long post!

OctoberCarrot · 20/12/2012 08:52

mands I got this info from another mums website when I knew I was having a section. I found it really useful on what to expect about most things. I had never stayed overnight in hospital or had surgery so it made me feel alot more relaxed/informed about the whole experience.

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You should be put in a gown for the surgery - one of those lovely backless numbers You will still need your hospital bag though - there is very little difference in requirements as you still need all the PJ's/nightdresses and dressing gowns, slippers, toiletries etc for yourself after the surgery.

You will still need your disposable / comfy knickers and pads as you will still experience the post birth bleeding and after birth pains.

In fact you might need an extra PJ's / supplies as your stay will likely be a bit longer (usually 5 nights).

You will need all the same stuff for baby!!

I did take off my jewellry for the surgery (although on DS I was wearing my contact lenses! Not sure what they will say about engagement ring! I found them quite relaxed about it - but I would defo say it to them in advance of surgery - I think I remember something in my notes where they recorded whether or not jewellry was off.

Can't remember if I had any nail varnish on at the time - I'd say give a quite call to the hospital and see if you can find out - it would be awful to miss out on your mani and pedi just in case they don't want it! It would be a nice treat before Monday!! Planning hair and nail treats next week!!

Surgery wise it is a little un-nerving walking into the theatre but provided you don't need a general aneastetic then your OH will be allowed in (they always look great in scrubs )

The one thing I would say that freaked me out a bit but was nothing was the noise from all the monitors during surgery - heart beat, blood pressure etc. Having obviously watched too many hospital dramas as they operate naturally your blood pressure will drop and will spark off the alarms on the machine a number of times - nothing to worry about but I thought I was toast So just try and tune those machines out - they really should warn you about the noises and what they mean!!

I had a spinal block both times - takes only minutes and once you are numb they get to work quite quickly - baby will be out within 5-10mins. You will feel a bit of tugging and pressure but no pain.

Once baby is out they will show baby to you and take it away to be cleaned and weighed - this is done in the theatre so you will be able to hear baby crying and moaning away You will need to have brought a nappy, vest and baby gro and anything else you want to dress baby in to the theatre and give to the theatre nurse before hand.

Once baby is dressed the baby will be brough to you as they stitch you up - if you are in a position to hold it they will let you but I found with the drips and lying down I didn't feel comfortable so DH was sitting by my head holding baby as I looked at our new little being.

It takes about 20-30mins to sew you back up and you are then brought to recovery. On DD she stayed with me and DH went outside to make phone calls etc but on DS they sent DH out with DS in his arms so not sure what is standard - I would try to keep babs with you as you are put sitting up on trolley in recovery so while still numb from chest down you will be well able to hold a baby. On DS I ended up in recovery longer than expected (just waiting on a bed) and then there was a mix up so I didn't see him for about 45 mins after initial kisses but once reunited he was starving and I started breastfeeding straight away.

On DD I asked should I start breastfeeding in recovery room but they suggesting waiting until they brought me to my bed - which I did.

You will have a cathether for first 12-24 hours and then you will be encouraged to get up and about as soon as you can. In both cases I had surgery Friday afternoon and by Saturday morning was up on my feet.

I did bring arnica with me and take it - not sure how much use it was but no harm Skipping rope for when at home trying to get out of bed but only really useful in my view if you have something to tie it on - one of those frame beds. Best way to get in and out of bed is just to roll on side, hang legs out of bed and then get up to a sitting on side of bed position.

Laughing or coughing can hurt but just hold onto scar...not that it will burst but the pressure will ease pain!

Take all the drugs you can and make sure you leave hospital with either supplies or a prescription for pain relief.

Once home just remember you have had major abdominal surgery so be kind to yourself and just take it easy! Alot of people say no driving for 6 weeks - my obs is a bit more relaxed and said to drive when I felt comfortable doing so and initially keep it to just local driving so on both I was driving after 3 weeks but if it takes 8 weeks then that is what it takes. Unquote!

My mw was useless at giving pain medication and I have a high pain threshold. My consultant went mental as he said the one thing they can really do in medicine is control pain so make sure you get all you can/want/need.

Fwiw Think it is a super idea not to dress twins the same. My best friend has identical twins and never dressed them the same and it has been great for all ESP the girls. My bil has identical twins and dresses them the same. Already at 4 1/2 they are miffed that people confuse them!

Ds napping. Hurrah. Hopefully he will start to feel better.

Xxxx

Emus · 20/12/2012 09:02

Morning everyone! Hope we are all well today? Had a little flutter if MS this morning - to which my OH exclaimed "have you got morning sickness back again?!" Think its just because I am tired as didn't get much sleep last night.

Have a busy day today. Just had the Whooping Cough jab and now sat outside Mothercare waiting for it to open so that I can return some stuff. Have my 28 week mw appointment at 10 and for some reason Im quite nervous about it. I don't know why! I am worried that she's going to tell me there's a problem as I'm convinced my bump isn't growing.

I am all about experiencing a vaginal birth, however, I am totally going to trust what the mw's say and if I need a c-section or anything else then that's what I'll do as long as my little one (and myself) are ok. :-).

I had chips last night too! Always feel bad when I do but I generally eat well so a few chips every now and again won't hurt surely?!

Oooh, Mothercare is open so Im off! Hope everyone is doing ok. Sorry not to name check bar Zoey who I hope is currently sitting on the sofa with a gorgeous breakfast waiting for the trashy TV* to start!!

*Jeremy Kyle.

StormyBrid · 20/12/2012 09:34

Morning all.

Thoughts re trying a natural birth: I think it depends on the likelihood you'll end up with a caesarean anyway. My cousin had a lengthy labour that resulted in an emcs in October, and had to recover from major surgery as well as from natural labour, and if she'd known that would happen it would've been far easier to just skip straight to the section. But in her case, as they didn't know how it would play out, the only way make things easier would have been en elective caesarean, and they don't seem a great plan if there's no known medical reason for one.

As for the pain of labour, the human brain's pretty good at forgetting the extent of pain. It has to be, otherwise the species would die out. My brother in law is an only child, as his mother's brain didn't bother airbrushing her memories and so she refused to go through it ever again!

We are now just about settled in new house. I just need to check the loft and the spare room in old house for anything I've missed, then give the keys back tomorrow. New place is looking lovely, except the back bedroom, which in theory is the baby's room but is actually currently the dumping ground for all the clothes, books, and miscellaneous crap I've yet to unpack. But I've got eleven weeks before she's due, plenty of time to sort that.

Whooping cough injection tomorrow. Fun times!

Sheldonella · 20/12/2012 09:36

Loving all these birth stories. October that is a beautiful story :) A friend of mine had a planned section and has also described it as a lovely, calm experience.
I had so many plans for a calm waterbirth, only gas & air etc at the beginning of the pregnancy but now I'm thinking I'm just going to go in with an open mind as it is impossible to tell what will happen isn't it. I don't know why but I really don't want to have an epidural unless I have a section. Someone mentioned books early (JoJo?) - I have got Birth Skills by JuJu Sundin which is nice. Not read it all yet.
I have midwife today too - expecting anti-D and whooping cough jabs. When I walked into work this morning a colleague exclaimed how huge I look suddenly so will see what the midwife has to say about that.
Sorry for not namechecking, need to be quick this morning. Have a fab day all :)

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Rainbowbabyhope · 20/12/2012 09:50

Lots of useful information about sections - great to hear so many positive experiences of this type of surgery. I have found that its just like vaginal birth - some people have great section experiences others not so much.

eigmum when you were given the consent form, did a medical professional take you through it and discuss the risks properly, referencing statistics or were you just left to read through and sign? I have been reading up a huge amount on sections and there are lots of single percentage risks that I would want to discuss very thoroughly with the consultant performing the surgery before agreeing to a section but worried I won't get the opportunity.

LexiandBeanette · 20/12/2012 11:03

Sheldon I'm with you, both on the open mind and on avoiding an epidural if I can. If I need it when it comes to it, I will go for it, but I'm hoping not to as it does delay things.

Stormy glad to hear all is well with the new house!
No metallic taste but crazy thirsty again, like I was in first trimester. New crop of spots also suggests more hormonal changes, just in time for office Xmas do! Bought myself some very sparkly pumps as it is black tie but I can't face even a low heel any more :)
Hope all have a good day!

mandasand · 20/12/2012 14:31

Large sigh of relief here as I have just emailed pesky article off. Actually I am only two weeks beyond the latest extended deadline. They may pay me after all ?

On the subject of money... Had a right old lunchtime dingdong with DH who I discover has not been putting his £200 pcm into the Kitchen Fund, as agreed, for some time. It's not as if he hasn't had the money to do so; he's just reneged on our agreement, without telling me, and has been putting the money as an extra overpayment into the mortgage instead. I am NOT a happy bunny! His argument is that he'll contribute something 'when he can' and that kitchen will have to be a long-term savings project, which totally bypasses the initial agreement we had about me not wanting to spend 9 months bloody maternity leave trying to be content with new status as SAHM and domestic goddess in a smeggy, old kitchen that I hate. I don't want a kitchen in 18 or 24 months time - there will be other needs then. I want a kitchen now! And I don't care if IABU. He agreed. I'm really cross and tempted to f*ck off on my own this weekend rather than play hostess to his mother. Grr.

Rant over...sorry! Feel better for getting it out.

Thanks for sharing your CS story Eig and for posting that wonderfully long bit of advice from the other website, October! Brilliant.

Hurray for settling in new house Stormy!

Hope everyone's having good afternoons.

lannyshrops · 20/12/2012 14:34

Hey all,

Enjoying all the birthing talk. I have been thinking about it a bit and may even think about a birthing plan...although will be very relaxed about it...whatever pain releif I need but encourage me to try not to have opioids, whatever's intervention I need to ensure we are both safe. DH and BF there with me (no arguments), calm and focused with ONE midwife/doctor telling me what to do, really can't stand six million people shouting at me, will just loose the plot. No issues with students or a student delivering me. Clean baby before giving to me (unelss i demand my baby NOW!) will do skin to skin and try breast feeding but any pressure on me and i will walk out/tell you to piss off, Home ASAP, c-section if needed on grounds of safety. DH my support, BF has nursing background to keep me safe (as have serious issues with trust in midwives/doctors due to bad experiences and working in the health service...I know too much!!!)

I have been off work the last two days, Lovely virus thingy I think. Now have lovely cough but feeling much better, yeay! Cannot believe how tired we all are or how ill I get! Normally just carry on regardless and man up! Before being pregnant not and a sick day for 2 years and in 13 years of working I have had 100% attendance for a total of 8 years. I have never breached sickness thresholds either. Just cannot get used to being a wuss!

Decision made on matty leave though. I had a weeks leave the last week of jan before starting mat leave. Decided that I am going to bring mat leave forward a week and used that weeks annual leave to have a four day week and two three day weeks. It's a short week next week with Christmas and next week with new year so I think that will be ok. Feel much more in control now. Still worried as my job won't be covered but I can only do what I can do and somehow the ward will run without me! Hmm

Off for 28 week appointment in a bit and deliberating weather to have whooping cough tomorrow as planned or to delay until new year due to feeling under weather? Will see.

Love to all xxx

Em2010 · 20/12/2012 14:58

lanny that looks better than any birth plan I've ever come up with! I think I will go with a 'roll with it' plan again as I did last time. Just educating myself as to what the options/risks are for each decision and letting dh know so he can be my advocate. I was so dead set against an epidural with ds but when it came to it and the doctor suggested it I was scared but very much in agreement! My biggest fear was of tearing with an epidural (which I did) but actually I would take tearing any day over a long painful labour! I was also lucky that once the epi was administered I was given syntocinon (sp?), I responded really well and ds wasn't stressed by it. I'm still anti opioids though as I'm scared they will stop the baby breathing properly when she's born and I don't know anyone who says they had any effect! Gas and air on the other hand was amazing (for me)!

Sorry, I'm just waffling on... Ds is down for a nap and I'm supposed to be tidying the kitchen but hobbled to the sofa instead and am pigging out on truffles and watching Big Bang theory...! Is it pouring with rain for everyone?

manda yay for handing in book!! Relax and enjoy Christmas!