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Due in October 2012 Part 7 - towards the finish line, going for Gold!

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Planktonette · 30/08/2012 20:39

On your marks...
Get set...

GO!

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londonlivvy · 26/09/2012 15:07

slaps forehead

BIRTH PLAN

I knew there was something I'd forgotten.

Can I just write "get her out safely with as little damage to me as possible"?

LoopyLa · 26/09/2012 15:40

Grin londonlivvy

In theory you don't actually have to have a birth plan or at least your one sentence could work as one!

LoopyLa · 26/09/2012 15:40

Grin londonlivvy

In theory you don't actually have to have a birth plan or at least your one sentence could work as one!

WantAnOrange · 26/09/2012 17:21

Congratulations Angelico!

I am so stressed I could actually kill someone!

These babies are cheering me up though!

Planktonette · 26/09/2012 18:04

londinlivvy ha ha ha ha, killing myself laughing! Birth plan! Don't have mine either, and I'm due... TOMORROW!!!

(does anyone know - if you have pethadine, can you later have an epidural? Or is it one or the other?)

Sorry to be quiet - keep reading, making notes, oh no thread has moved on... I have notes for responses i wanted to make from last week!!!

Thanks all for sympathy re. MIL. Really, really appreciated. DH has been amazing, has really done a good job standing firm (which is hard for him- I mean, it's his mum. And he's a good good man, and good men (in my experience) will do anything to stand by their family. So this has been very hard, but he's really shown his mettle (yet again - there's no doubting the man's strength.)

Today I have visitors - my dad is he for the duration, and my aunt & uncle have popped in for the day too (all visiting from Australia) - my stars it's exhausting. I'm trying to husband my energy, but we're an...enthusiastic family. Loud. Talky.LOUD.

Here's hoping the baby takes the hint and stays in for the night!

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Beeblebear · 26/09/2012 18:33

This combination of having sneezing fits, and somewhat lack of bladder control is really getting on my nerves.

Re birth plan: mine will be something along the lines ofi've never done this before, please feel free to make suggestions during labour. I would like to keep as mobile as posdible. After the birth I would like to wait to have the cord cut unless the baby is in distress. I would like immediate skin to skin and to have all examinations done with me if possible. I would like to try to breast feed as soon as posdible to encourage uterine contractions, and would like to avoid pitocin if possible.

So ya, I think mostly my birth plan accounts for after the birth as I feel that will probably be the only time I will actually have controll of the situation.

smileyhappymummy · 26/09/2012 18:39

Yes, if you have pethidine you can later have an epidural, no problem. I never wrote a formal birth plan - though had done some thinking about what I wanted - but all turned out irrelevant in the end last time.
Don't know what everyone else who's had it thought but I personally hated pethidine, did naff all for the pain but made me vomit and unable to stand up...just a personal perspective and I know some people have loved it and found it really helpful for getting some rest. Not sure its a great help for anyone wanting to stay active at the time though.
Congratulations angelico family, so pleased to hear all is well, hope they have stopped starving you and youve thoroughly enjoyed whatever you had to eat as well as snuggling with your new baby.
squid hope you're ok, remember you're fab, you will get there and it really doesn't matter when too much. Hope you gt some sleep tonight too.
yomping hope you're a little bit more comfy and that baby is being more considerate (ha ha) of your insides.
I am sooooo tired today. Massively overran this morning so all patients ended up waiting ages which always makes me feel bad - but just lots of complex stuff thwt needed time. Lots of pelvic pain too, still hurts lots just to walk. And turning over in bed last night was not comfy. Have been distinctly grumpy with dd today and have just told her I am too tired to help her look for her pyjamas. But she is 5, she had them last, won't hurt her to do it herself.... Will it?! Just feel a bit selfish and moody.
Ah well, not long now. Then I will be grumpy and tired for different reasons!

YompingJo · 26/09/2012 19:01

Loopy, aw, thank you, and you're very welcome. That makes me feel better Smile

Planktonette, as far as I know yes, you can have pethidine then an epidural. According to my NCT classes, optimum window for pethidine is when you are between 4 and 6cm dilated as it takes 4hrs to get through your system and at a dilation rate of 1cm per hour it should be out of there by the time you are 10cm and ready to push, so it will also be mostly out of baby's system and baby will be as alert as possible when born. The thing to bear in mind though is that if you have pethidine at 6cm then wait till 10cm for pethidine to wear off it will be too late for epidural.

More NCT wisdom: Pethidine basically gives you a break if you are getting stressed and getting nowhere, I think - takes the pain away so you (and consequently baby) can relax and rest, which means you calm down and your body is able to get on with things again, so it's a good option if you have been stuck at a certain dilation for hours and are getting tired.

Very glad your DH is being such a star - exactly what you needed. And if you don't check in again until tomorrow - happy due date!

My DH has also been great today, we have gone over the birth plan and adapted it so he is happy, have unpacked and repacked bags so he knows what is where, what everything is ("Ah, so they are the sexy Tena pants GrinConfused"), and what else would need to go in at the last minute if something goes awry and we are rushed to hospital, have worked out how baby is going to sleep for first couple of nights while we get the cot into the bedroom (don't want it in there beforehand as it will be massively in the way). We also fitted the carseat base so the carseat just clicks into place, and DH got Big Ted (baby surroqate for practising using slings etc) and we pretended we were leaving the house to go for a drive, and made sure we could put Big Ted in the seat, and the seat in the car. Success! Big Ted seemed unimpressed but he's a Bear of the World and has probably seen it all before Grin.

I went to have a massage and facial yesterday, was nervous as a bit out of comfort zone (what? girly stuff? me? run away!) but it was lovely - the massage hurt but I guess my muscles needed it and it gave me a chance to practise hypno techniques (was trying to imagine distancing myself from the pain and turning the dial down to make it more bearable - I got through it so maybe it worked?). But the trouble was that it meant I spent a good couple of hours on my back (with bed in a V-shape rather than flat, so I was comfy) and baby got the wrong idea and turned back to back, leading to barrages of uncomfortable kicks and punches and gougy movements for the rest of the day as small arms and feet swept across my stomach, and a hopeless night's sleep - as soon as I lay down, the gouging started again, like it was trying to claw its way out Sad. When the hands move across just under the surface of the bump and the bump is against the mattress, it's a really horrible feeling. I went into the spare room, threw a load of towels on the floor and got on hands and knees and swayed for ages, trying to get the bugger to move but it wouldn't.

So not very much sleep last night and today I ache like buggery all over from the massage plus feel a bit generally weird (probably from all the toxins flushed into my lymphatic system) and the worst thing is that (TMI alert) my fanjo has ached for 2 solid days now. What's that all about? Has anyone else had the aching fanjo of doom? Had a very teary morning as I poured out my woes and general fed-up-ness-with-being-pregnant to DH, accompanied by cups of tea in bed, but started to feel better when we did lots of productive stuff.

Anyway, that's enough moaning. Off to see Stomp tonight, got lots planned in for next few days, so it's all good.

Come on Lisbethsopposite and Elpis, post soon, I want to hear your news!!!

hufflepuffle · 26/09/2012 20:00

Yawn. Only 1.5 days work left. Employee today told me wants to leave when I come back. Didn't want to leave it til last day to tell me. Ok. Timing, nice. Will not allow myself to stress about this right now.

My hospital no longer uses pethidine. Diamorphine is apparently drug of choice now, less nauseating and quicker recovery apparently. I really don't want, thought of it makes me panic. My SIL had for first baby, she slept thru contractions and was woken by midwife and told to push!!!! So if that sounds good to anyone, worth a try!!!!!

I really must say, I see a pattern in birth stories and tears / episiotomies. Try not to let people tell me theirs but appreciate stories from close friends. Don't think the active mobile idea has hit thru to everyone and most people hav had epidurals and birth on back. Not a single one if these got away without episiotomy. When I talk about keeping upright, keeping moving and staying away from bed they look at me like am some mad hippy........

So my birth plan, as yet unwritten is basically, try to do it on my own, let me count 321 relax, turn down the dial, breathe, move, keep upright, all the things that are supposed to help!! Immediate skin to skin, no cutting cord until stopped pulsating, try to suckle to promote natural placenta delivery and no oxytocin.

HOWEVER, all advice on the day welcome and trust the experience of midwife to guide me, and I may be being totally and utterly unrealistic of my own abilities and may be screaming for Diamorphine within minutes!!!!!

Rambling again huffle..... Sorry not to reply properly ladies, hugs to all. Xx

Lizzietow · 26/09/2012 21:36

What's the optimum window for an epidural? Anyone know?

Beeblebear · 26/09/2012 21:42

Eek, what happened to the thread? Everything is italicizes and strike through. This is hard on my eyes.

Huffle, your plan sounds like mine!

Planktonette · 26/09/2012 21:44

beeble and huffle - good plans. Mind if I nick your ideas? Grin

You've basically written down all the things I was thinking... Sounds more like an actual plan when you say it! Ta also for pethadine /diamorpine info :)

Am starting to brick it a little, then remembering the physiologically important effects of NOT bricking it, calming down... I think it's time for baby now. Come on, baby!

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hufflepuffle · 26/09/2012 21:52

No problem ladies, nick away!! This is the ideal I suppose, but will just hav to see what happens!!

MN playing up tonight, must be too much chatting going on!!

Question about epidural timing was asked at antenatal class and we got v non committed answers! Really, never too late unless u fully dilated. But delay can be getting the anaesthetist in to do it by which stage u may be at the worst and find you can cope after all! Once started, is a continuous feed, so not going to wear off. Warned about having Diamorphine too early as does not completely remove pain and if get before too bad, feel like 'not working' as taking it down to level of earlier pain, if makes sense.

Off to find some all fours action, this baby is determined to go back to back this past few nights!! (feel your discomfort Yomping!)

Planktonette · 26/09/2012 21:56

Holy moly - is the Internet telling me the truth? DIAMORPHINE IS HEROIN?!?

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smileyhappymummy · 26/09/2012 22:03

Yes diamorphine is heroin - also a bloody good painkiller (not necessarily in context of labour, whole different debate there but in general it works well for most people).

Midgetm · 26/09/2012 22:05

Evening all,

laughing at Beeble and her sneezing/peeing issue. I have a cold that has been lurking and been terrified of it coming to a head because of my fear of the sneezing/peeing isshooos.

Yompin Ow! that clawing sounds vile but I kind of know what you mean. My poor little man has no room left and is all elbows and knees and weird squirms. Hope you enjoyed stomp.

Lizzie Welcome - not sure what the optimum window is but if contractions too hard and fast it is very difficult to get them in so probably around 5/6cm at a guess. Some people ask for them straight away if they end up induced with a drip though. If you want one though I would make it clear straight away as sometimes they kind of mess about and then say you are too late to have one. Which is a bit cheeky. Hmm

I am not going to give any birth stories or horrors but feel I should say that I had DD both flat on my back and with an epidural. This was not my plan. But she needed constant monitoring and I needed a drip to speed things up. Sometimes your plan changes. I did not tear and I did not have any assisted delivery so do not fear what may happen if you end up not having what you expected. It can still be just fine. Londonlivvy I like your plan. In reality this is all of our plans really. The rest is the icing on the cake.

The message from Angelicos' DH made me cry this morning - not sure why just found it really touching. We are all so close to the finish line now. And the birth of each baby makes me smile inside.

I am now very Envy that Bella my working late partner in crime is nearly finished. I still have over two weeks to go and actually have a sweep booked in before I finish work - think I need to sort that out. Shock

Off to listen to hypnobirthing in bed and almost certainly pass out again. Not sure if a CD can help this rather enormous baby pass through this very small pelvis but I shall give it a go!

If my sweep works I could have a baby in just two weeks - only just realised this - I know this sounds dumb but I am a doofus sometimes. Big waves to you all. Hope the night brings labour for those who want it and a calm and restful night for the rest of us.

Right no more time to catch up - must sleep night all Wink

DC2 35+4

hufflepuffle · 26/09/2012 22:38

Yes, the medical heroin more than freaks me out too.......!

Thanks Midget I know epidural is not a bad thing when needed and my mind is very open. Glad to hear for you it did not involve any intervention or tearing. Think it seems the norm here tho, the whole concept of active gravity influenced delivery just seems so alien to anyone I speak to!!! Well hopefully I can cope with what I want and if not I will hav every faith in MW to help and advise.

Night all!!

Oh, Plankton aren't u due tmrw?! Not looking likely? Will be interesting to see how many of us even vaguely deliver on due date!!

Xx

3mb · 26/09/2012 22:57

Bit late in the day but can I join thread??? Due 31st October with dc4! 35 weeks today and starting to definitely feel it!

bella2012 · 26/09/2012 23:50

evening all!

Just got back from lovely send-off meal with my colleagues. Fraught crazy emotional day but feel more ready to go now. Already dreading going back now actually... Excited to throw myself into home and family and preparing for baby. It is my little boy's birthday the day before my due date, so I hope the baby doesn't come until after his little party as he is so excited! I am a drama teacher so have borrowed some pirate themed props and some facepaints from work for the party-exciting!

Hello 3mb and lizzie!

plankton happy due date for tomorrow! Exciting times! Make sure all your guests let you have some time to rest as well as all the entertaining.

midget I am so sorry to leave you working on your own! Can't you leave a bit earlier?? Especially is you are having a sweep! My sweep got things started straight away last time!

yomping cracking organisation skills- am in awe of you as always! Sounds like you and your dh have done all you can to prepare. Has the baby turned around yet? Mine is back to back a lot and I so understand the pain and discomfort. Hope you have a better night tonight.

huffle I had pethadine then an epidural, neither of which were things I wanted beforehand. i have decided not to do a birth plan this time as it caused me such anxiety to find that nothing was as I planned/wanted and it was all out of my hands. I totally get the philosophy of preparing for the best possible experience, but being a nobber, I just felt so disappointed and cheated that none of it was how I wanted it to be. So this time, I am going to roll with it a bit more and be prepared to make decisions as and when the time comes. I wanted to be active, but like midget ended up with a drip and epidural. Had to have ventouse for the last contraction and had a slight tear, but was otherwise ok.

I am 37 weeks tomorrow so have reached term-wahoo!

Ah man, I am not sleepy at all tonight but my little scamp will be awake in a few hours and I will be bloody knackered then! crazy and smiley I so understand the stress of looking after little ones while pregnant. i wish there was a way of taking an injection of patience every so often as I am often running low these days!

Kyyria · 27/09/2012 06:42

Well, I've spent all night tossing and turning following a heated debate constructive conversation on baby names with DH last night.

I feel like I'm making all the decisions and I don't want DH to turn around in the future and hold that against me.

I started asking about names 5 months ago. I sat down with a name book and came up with a page of names (about 40) that were possibilities, granted some more than others! It then took 3 months of asking DH for him to come up with a list.

A list that totalled 4 names.

4 names!

I got the impression that he wasn't that bothered. He spent 5 mins flicking through the name book and never touched it again.

Anyway, once he told me he had made his list we decided to sit down and veto/discuss what we had. Being honest I said to him that I wasn't keen on 3 out of the 4 he had. He said which he didn't like on mine. I still didn't feel we'd got any further and asked if he wanted to add any more to his list - no, these are the ones heI likes.

After leaving it a few weeks I've been asking him again. We want to wait and meet the bean before we name him but it would be nice to have some names lined up. DH has said "make a short list of 5 or 6 first & second name combinations and we'll go from there".

I've added to the list (5 names, 4 of which have the same first name). He's added none.

Had discussion last night where I asked if he could have a think and add to the list. I was met with "you've already decided you don't like the majority of my choices and from what you've written it seems you've already made your mind up".

Spent last night saying how I would value his input and could he have a look at the lists and add some names to the final one. It's like getting blood out of a stone!

Aaaarrrrggghhhh! I want to throttle him!

All I want is for him to make an effort and put some time and thought into it!

Am I being unreasonable or is he being a nobber???

32, 35+4, #1

LoopyLa · 27/09/2012 07:55

Kyyria you have my sympathies! Us women have such a huge amount to think about & organise for 9 months & practically all the men have to do is say yes or no to things & help out on the day of childbirth they have it so bloody easy

35+4, 7 working days left!! Shock

Planktonette · 27/09/2012 08:52

Oh my stars. Baby must be VERY low. Most of last night he kept me awake by moving in such a a way that I think he was whacking me in the cervix - it felt EXACTLY like a pap smear, all scratchy and horrible. Euggggggh! Anyone else had that? Maybe mucus plug is getting ready to pop?

Thanks bella! Due date is indeed today! I am kind of over pregnancy now, so, now would be good... Baby has grown like the dickens in the last week-and-a-bit, is now HUGE. Size increases can, apparently, be seen daily (according to Mum and DH).

kyrria yup, that sounds rough. I think sometimes DHs don't regard the emotional-type work (in which I count naming) as work... Which it bloody is.

DH and I have named the LO. Wanna hear it?

Magnanimous Withagee Louche Kingdom Capability Django Tiberius Zelazny Hyphenated Guilfoyle.

'Maggie' for short.

Grin
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MrsConfusion · 27/09/2012 08:54

Very excited to hear about all the babies, and hello to the new arrivals on the thread as well as the new babes.

Quite a day here yesterday.

38 week check up at GP turned into nearly 12-hours of medical checking, firstly at GP, then up at hospital Maternity Assessment Unit. Lots of monitoring of baby and bloods from me, turns out I've got the pregnancy liver thing (obstetric choleostasis).

:(

Back up there today to pick up meds, then tomorrow to meet with specialist team to 'agree a plan'. They're definitely not going to let me go overdue, and are quite likely (according to the MW) to monitor me & baby closely next week then induce towards end of next week. We're NOT READY!!

Now need to monitor baby movements really closely, which is not helping my paranoid side. Carrying round paper to keep marking them down. Oh, and it looks like plan to be in water, in midwife-led unit and use TENS are all out of the window, as even if I go into labour before they induce, will need to be monitored. Some hard work to do here to get my head around all this and come up with new birth plan, and not just give up on being active etc.

Scary day all round really.

Oh, and it turns out that having thought I wasn't really getting braxton hicks, I've been getting them really regularly and mistaking them for the baby pushing my ribs (on the monitor trace, you could see them really clearly, coming every 10 mins or so).

The GP, MWs and docs were all fab but very long, scary day. DH due to be working in Portsmouth on Fri so trying to work out if he can come to the 'Making A Plan' appointment or if that will trigger his pat leave starting. Needs to be his decision but I so want him there.

Right, off to give myself a talking to, to take a leaf out of the way the GD ladies have tackled things, and get my head sorted. Then get everything sorted in case they do something silly tomorrow like induce me then! This will all be fine, it's great that they've picked it up and I'm in a very good place in terms of medical provision to be well looked after.

Best phrase of the day though - 'if we were really worried today, we would have whipped you upstairs and taken baby out of the skylight' :) Lovely phrase for C-sec!

MrsC, 38+1, DC#1, possibly arrival anytime from 28th Sept to 5th Oct...

Smorgs · 27/09/2012 09:19

Oh mrsc how scary for you yesterday. Must be frustrating to have got this far then be told things aren't as straightforward as you thought. But as you say, it's good they've picked it up and at least you know if you do have intervention it will be for a real reason.

My friend has 4 children and 4 completely different deliveries. She used to feel bad about the ones that hadn't gone to plan until a lovely obstetrician said to her: 'the point is to have a healthy baby and healthy mummy at the end of all this, how you get there shouldn't really matter.' I don't think he/she was trying to advocate intervention for its own sake, just not getting too hung up on how the baby is delivered. Anyway it made me feel better hearing that.

I realise this sounds odd from me, being so concerned about the French style of delivery! Although I can't say I'm sad about not having to write a birth plan. In fact maybe I will write one for the anaesthetist I'm seeing on Friday just to see how much he/she laughs in my face?! You have to see them before delivery so they can check how suitable your spine is for epidural apparently?

kyyria much sympathies on your naming difficulties. I keep trying to get my dh to realise how much I need him to know about labour so he can help me through it, fight my corner if needs be, or at least understand what's happening. But all he seems worried about is the fact he doesn't know how to change a nappy yet, despite me offering books, YouTube clips and baby centre advice on how to do it. His attitude is he grew u on a farm, has seen loads of animals give birth so ultimately what's the difference?!

hufflepuffle · 27/09/2012 09:29

Aww bless MrsC you poor thing. Really living up to your name today! That is all a bit of a shock to the system indeed. Give yourself a while to gape open mouthed at the change and then just go with it. Sounds like a great medical team and all will work out. You can do it!! And won't it be nice really to meet bean early, all feeling a bit overcome by all these babies appearing! Good luck, take care of you and bean. X

Kyyria the whole name thing is a nightmare isn't it? My DH is actually the other end of spectrum to most as he hates his own name, has used a short version of his surname as name for years and feels an almighty burden to name child correctly!! With result it is an endless debate..... And I hav all these lovely names to choose.... Grrrrrr

Bella thank you, I know reality is often a shock. Try to believe everything the lovely voice on hypnotherapy CDs tells me..... But I know may not be the case!! That's why I'm going to hospital and not the lovely serene midwife only unit down the road. The unknown scares the crap out of me, but if relaxation and breathing Is the antidote to pain and panic then I hope it all helps, and we will go with the flow! Like you I will probably be so disappointed in self if does not go to plan, but I need a plan to visualise or I might just lose the plot visualising the alternative!!!

Nice names Planktonette.........! Glad to see your spirits up!! Happy due day! You never know......

Squid hope u ok if u reading, thinking of u x

Right. Up and at 'em. Half day off, house needs tidied, work by lunchtime.