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BROOKING NO ARGUMENT for pain-free sneeze births and an abundance of empty birthing pools - pt 12!

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FluffyJawsOfDoom · 09/07/2012 11:10

I think this is the first time I've ever started a brooking thread! Shock

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TheLittleFriend · 25/09/2012 19:04

Oh smegs pregnancy is so tough, maybe even more so after a long and emotional ttc journey. And you missed a month of early pregnancy with your crazy af visit, so maybe not having as long to get used to the idea is catching you up?
I have no doubt it will pass and you will be absolutely fine though my love. Take care of yourself SmileSmile

GenericDietCola · 25/09/2012 19:55

Oh Smegs sorry you are having a rough time. Hope you feel better soon.

ScrambledSmegs · 25/09/2012 22:03

Thanks Little & Generic. Hopefully I'll be back to my normal, silly self soon.

Thanks
GenericDietCola · 26/09/2012 11:01

Hurray for silly Smegs coming back soon!

Just been to the doctor - I managed to fall over on Monday, well not quite fall over, just skidded and twisted myself to stay on my feet (must have looked really athletic). Anyway, I've hurt my back, but lovely dr says it is nothing to worry about and she gave me my flu jab while I was there, so a productive morning, I reckon. Working now... yawn.

How's everyone else? Any more changes Fluffy?

whimsicalname · 26/09/2012 13:52

Morning all. Sorry to hear about your wobbles smegs. If it's any consolation, I had a total 'oh my god I'm going to be a housewife forever - how on earth am I going to run the World Bank - I'll have totally wasted 3 years in DC' head flop last night. Why is the world so bleak at 2am?

Hope your back clears up soon gen. It's easy to jar your back isn't it. Try to take it easy for a few days.

A good day to you all. I have a thrilling day of tots, supermarket and extra homework to supervise. Gah.

FluffyJawsOfDoom · 26/09/2012 14:26

Oh smegs :( I hope you feel a bit better soon. Fwiw I think pretty much everything is "normal" when you're pregnant, all those hormones just make everything go a bit dolally don't they?

Thanks for asking Gen - she seems to have gone back to her normal position, I'm a lot more comfortable anyway! I have never been so glad to be bashed in the ribs by little feet :o

I have somehow slept through most of the day, however. I didn't get up til 9.30, then had a midafternoon nap too Shock the kitchen is a tip but I have to dash out to my breastfeeding workshop, I hope DH isn't too miffed when he gets home... Blush

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ScrambledSmegs · 28/09/2012 10:44

Morning. Anyone else want to get the whooping cough jab? I'm going to call my midwife today as I don't know what the homebirth team's policy is.

Still not back to 'me' yet, sorry for short message. Hugs all round, x

Stacks · 28/09/2012 10:50

Today I am going to paint the nursery white as an undercoat. It's currently wallpapered as brown stripes, so I think it'll take a few coats. I really have no idea what my final scheme will be though will have to enlist the creative aid of sisters.

Hope everyone is doing well, that little one stays the right way round fluff, and you're feeling happier smegs. gen how is your back now? whim did all the homework get done? How are you nutella? I was thinking this morning, it's kind of only 2 months to go! September is nearly over, and December doesn't count, so we've only got October and November to go!

Stacks · 28/09/2012 10:52

Smegs I will be getting the jab, yes. Doesn't seem to be a reason not to. I had whooping cough as a child and remember it quite clearly. I think it's not available till Monday though?

TheLittleFriend · 28/09/2012 14:16

smegs I'll be getting the jab, I was pleased to hear it was being offered. News of epidemics stresses me out! I won't be eligible til I'm 28 wks though

Biscuitsandtea · 28/09/2012 14:34

What's the whooping cough thing?

If it isn't on CBeebies, I don't know about it Blush

FluffyJawsOfDoom · 28/09/2012 14:44

smegs I spoke to my GP today (about something else, but tagged on a convo about WC!) and they've not heard anything about this advice from the PCT - she only knew about it because it was on the news! So it may take a few weeks to come through iyswim - which is a pain for me as this is the last week I'd have been eligible, but what can you do :(

Biscuits they reckon there's a higher than normal incidence of WC atm, and as babies don't get vaccinated til 8 weeks they're recommending pregnant women 28-38 weeks get it instead.

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FluffyJawsOfDoom · 28/09/2012 15:14

If Bartlett is lurking, I wanted to say thank you for posting on the induction thread in childbirth. I was upset recently when someone implied I was making a massive uninformed mistake and risk (they meant the "chain of intervention" I think) by agreeing to be induced at 40+10 if I make it that far. I don't think the person could understand that I'd rather have a shit birth experience and a healthy baby than take the smallest risk that it might be the other way around... it really hit a nerve because I'm really very pregnant and hormonal atm and can't take the criticism so it's nice to see some positive posts about induction because I was starting to feel a bit shit for holding this view when nobody else seems to...

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clickingtock · 28/09/2012 17:48

Hello momsters

Was expecting one of you might have popped while I wasn't looking... Not long know.

Smegs - I occasionally feel irrationally angry that I am birthing yet another child into this hideous capitalist-b-s dying world and creating a life of drudgery and hard work for myself when I could be out getting pissed and spending my money on fantastic clothes... and saving the world of course. DS has hit terrible 2s after being a dream so I am a bit less bedazzled by him and all children than I have been for 2yrs6mo (a phase I know). I also find that when the baby is really kicking/wriggling it all gets a bit creepy and may in fact involve a small alien trying to eat me from the inside. Like Whims - this seems to get worse in the small hours (with which I am far too familiar at the moment) or if I'm knackered or recovering from a mad vomiting bug as I also am at present. I also get v gushy at the thought of having a tiny baby/second child and think this is the best thing ever and no one/nothing can touch it for an amazing life experience that I'm lucky to be repeating. Crazy schizo lady that I am. Sorry if you are blue - I think we can all empathise though so don't feel guilty about it.

Great about your DD and potty training. Our bug put a spanner in the works but we seem to have resumed normal service though definitely couldn't go without a nappy at night.

Not into jabs, despite lack of spleen. Not sure if they really know that it works - they are a bit desperate given WC outbreak. Having said that I towed the line and DS has had all his thank goodness.

Fluff - I'm sorry, I may have added to your unhappiness about induction as I'm strongly against it unless the baby is clearly in distress (which usually means a CS anyway). I'm glad Bartlett helped out with a + story though. And I know plenty of women would rather be induced than endure yet another day of prolonged pregnancy and that's good as it's their choice. I guess there's a suggestion that you have to weigh up the unknowable risk of holding off induction against the better-known risks of intervention and all that it can trigger (ie, infection after EMCS, chronic allergic reactions etc.) Sometimes I think fear/risk factor is preyed upon which makes childbirth a far more distressing time than it needs to be. I do feel that induction can be about convenience for the midwives/hospital - especially during baby booms, like NOW - and sometimes this means you (and your unborn baby) are not getting treatment as an individual. BUT of course the most important thing is that you feel comfortable with your feelings and informed choices, which yours are, so no need to take any notice of the harpers like me. You are so right: a happy, healthy baby is the ultimate goal. Of course, your DD will be born bang on her due date in a couple of hours, say no more! Wink

GreenOlives · 28/09/2012 17:56

Smegs I will definitely be having the WC jab and the flu one too. In my line of work I think my immune system is pretty robust but Id rather avoid any unnecessary nasties!
Waves to all! Xx

BartletForTeamGB · 28/09/2012 19:51

Just spotted my name in Threads I'm Watching. Sorry not been around much here. Beginning to relax a bit more though, but (despite the growing fat tummy and all the vomiting!) I can't believe that I am really pregnant. 19/40 done though, only 21 (22? 23? DS arrived at 40+10) weeks to go hopefully before I get to take home a baby this time. I wonder if I've been wherever Smegs has been while AWOL and in denial. Hope you are doing okay.

Really glad I helped, Fluffy. Induction really isn't about convenience to midwives or the hospital, but about trying to prevent dead or sick babies. I hate the idea on MN that doctors and midwives are out to medicalise birth because they can, or because it will otherwise disturb their cup of tea, or because they need something to do! The risks are known of both induction (and no one denies there are risks both ways but the severity of them need to be considered) and waiting and were well discussed in a recent Cochrane review: onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD004945.pub3/abstract;jsessionid=F581E8DD8919245CB3A2F918ABFD9E70.d03t01

As for happy induction stories, a very good friend of mine was induced at 40+12 a few years ago (her DS is 6 months older than mine.) She had the pessaries at night and was told that nothing would happen until morning at the earliest. She began to feel uncomfortable and was pacing around or bouncing on a ball, but the MWs said there was no need to examine her because they'd be able to tell when she was in labour and she clearly wasn't. Her DH had been sent home so she was wandering around this ward in the dark alone.

Eventually about 3am, she asked for paracetamol again and asked the midwives to please examine her because she was rather uncomfortable. They eventually agreed and...she was 10cm! They had to phone her DH who had to run the 25 minutes to the hospital (he didn't drive then) who just made it in time to see his DS being born!

Smegs, I'll definitely be having the WC and flu vaccines too. There does seem to have been a lot of WC about this year. Biscuits, here is the BBC story. It's less about protecting pregnant women (who are far less likely to die as a result), more passing on the protection to newborns as 9 babies have sadly died this year.

Tock, we are gently sliding into the terrible twos here as well, but so far any tantrums have both been short lived and at home. I'm waiting for my first big tantrum out! DS has only just turned two so I'm holding off potty training until the Spring at the earliest. Not sure when to put him in a big bed though. He wakes about 6.30am but is happy to play in his cot for a while, whereas if he was able to get out of bed, he might want our attention sooner and we are both shattered.

Stacks, what ideas do you have for the nursery? We were aiming for the Hungry Caterpillar but the wall stickers are still sitting in the box on the shelf and all we have are some posters of trains (DH a bit of a trainspotter) and animals.

I second whims suggestion of BIG (make sure they are big granny pants so will cover your scar rather than touch it if you have a section) cheap black pants. I tried disposable pants once with DS but they were horrible, but the pants, even if I threw them away straight away, were much more comfortable.

My sister also suggested a big bottle of lactulose to help with post-birth bowel motions. A grim subject but it definitely made things more comfortable down there! It looks like it was going to taste horrible but it just tasted like a thick sugar solution. I'll definitely be using it next time!

Finally, I suggest you all take out shares in whoever makes Gaviscon, because I am getting through loads of it!

Hello to everyone I haven't mentioned. Better stop now as DH has just brought my dinner. (Not sure how much I'll eat but better try to eat while I think I can!) Smile

scarletfingernail · 28/09/2012 21:32

Fluff Induction doesn't have to be a bad experience. I was induced this time around and although I ended up having EMCS in the end I still know I made the right decision. Pomme also on the postnatal thread was induced too and her DD's birth was very almost sneeze like Smile

Glad you're starting to relax Bartlet.

clickingtock · 29/09/2012 11:24

Hello all

Sunny day here and I have mad pregnancy clearing-up syndrome, still. And acid reflux.

Bartlett has made me remember the first post-natal poo - not baby's but mine. Crikey. Glad for the lactulose tip, big thanks. Anyway - the wonderful news is you are almost halfway through and v deffo diffed. How exciting and you will have a nice age gap. Good luck with terrible twos. We are using a mixture of treats/time-out and it works about 80%. Exhausting tho'. Smegs - how is your DD on this front?

I should aim to keep my feelings about induction to myself but it's one of those itches I keep scratching. Sorry - don't read on if you can't be arsed. I still feel there is an element of wanting to manage the birth (yes, definitely the risk, but also the sheer numbers of women having babies); my main thing is it's a positive choice as long as it's what the mother wants and it's definitely going to minimise risk. My latest friend to have a baby (DC3 - late July) was asked to go in for induction at 9am. In the afternoon she was told to go home because they didn't have time/space on the ward to do it (so was the baby very much at risk?) She went in the next day - her birthday - also at 9am. Was left waiting until 7pm when she was finally induced. She progressed quickly and asked for an examination but the midwife was reluctant and after a quick peek said she wasn't in established labour. An hour later with strong contractions DF asked again (bear in mind she hadn't yet been moved to the labour ward so was sharing a room with 3 other women + families). The midwife refused to examine her again before midnight (?) and left her. 3 minutes later her DD was delivered by her husband. Friend was so angry with the MW she was crying. I feel conflicted by this story because actually this seems like a good birth story in some ways. But it just strikes me that there's intervention but also no resources to keep an eye on everyone/everything - all at once - which seems quite scary to me. It's not that I don't respect medical professionals - IMHO it's an incredible gift in life and v hard work to help people who are ill or in distress - and we are so, so lucky to be able to turn to the NHS - but I think there are complexities and the only way we can deal with them as lay folk is by trying to make a birthing decision that we are comfortable with while taking on board a lot of advice (sometimes conflicting). There's a big move towards HBs at the mo' and yet induction seems to be on the rise too... just seems a bit of a minefield to me. But I'm a useless old liberal who is over-opinionated. And I will be the first to go for induction if there are recognisable problems with the placenta/amniotic fluid or the multiple other reasons.

Anyway - you have all properly informed me about the WC vaccine and I must eat my hat; I shall be asking all about it at the next MW app.

Shall a bugger orf now? I'm sure you are all wanting to boot me out.

Stacks - excited about new nursery....

xxxx

TheLittleFriend · 29/09/2012 12:41

tock are your fingers sore from all that typing WinkGrin

Hope everyone's well and enjoying their weekends. Any early labour signs for us to over-analyse fluff and cakes?

I can't believe we're 19 weeks either bartlet (and green) What are your actual due dates? It'll be exciting to see what order our bumps arrive in. Roll on end of feb Smile

I've got the anomaly scan on friday and we're hoping to find out the sex this time to help dd with the rather abstract 'new baby' idea. I'm getting excited about it now!

BartletForTeamGB · 29/09/2012 13:09

little, 21st Feb here. DS arrived at 40+9/10 (can't remember now), so hoping I won't go that far this time! We've decided we don't want to know the sex so have two lists of names on the go. Hope you enjoy your scan!

FluffyJawsOfDoom · 29/09/2012 13:25

Just a quickie phone post from me before I have a nap

Yay for being half way bartlett! Do you still get the usual 20w scan or do you bypass that one? Sorry if you've already said!

tock it sounds more like a case of a crap midwife than busyness or induction? No matter how busy they are, a mw shouldn't ignore a woman's request for an examination. I hope your friend lodged a complaint?

Thanks scarlet :)

I think my issue is like bartlett says, you just don't know if you'll be in the set of women whose placentas give out at 37-42w or those whose placentas can keep trucking til 45w+. Personally it's not worth the risk, if baby's done cooking! My sister's last one was induced for medical reasons and she managed a straightforward birth without heavyduty pain relief, though I accept this may not be the norm.

No symptoms, no braxton hicks or show or strange aches and pains - but my mum and sister didn't have any either so maybe I won't get any signs at all!

Apols if I've missed anything, my phone doesn't like to scroll back once I start typing!

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TheLittleFriend · 29/09/2012 13:26

21st Feb here too bartlet Grin
Dd arrived at 40+5, not that it seems to mean much. They really do turn up when they decide don't they Smile

FluffyJawsOfDoom · 29/09/2012 13:28

Oh little how exciting! Brooking for you :)

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GreenOlives · 29/09/2012 13:35

Little Mines 23rd Feb according to scan
but im sticking with 24th as its our wedding anniversary and feels like a good luck talisman! My scan is on Fri too at 3pm, we are like Bartlet and want a surprise brooking bean! I was 9 days over with DS but this time may be different. My consultant wants to do growth scans later on as DS was big and had shoulder dystocia so it will depend on scans/advice whether this one comes au natural or whether I have c-section/early induction. My gut instincts at the moment say that Id really like to try naturally but it will depend very much on the advice my consultant gives - he is very pro vaginal births so if he advises otherwise Ill have to think seriously about a sun-roof! Also DS was very lucky to escape unscathed from his birth and after all the heartache its taken to get this far with DC2 it would be truly awful for something to go wrong at delivery! Wow that was a big post - you can see this is a subject which is playing on my mind a little!

TheLittleFriend · 29/09/2012 13:43

green my scan's at 3.15 on fri, I'll think of you while I'm waiting Smile